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Topic : 07/01 A Secret Inside: Extreme Hoarding

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Created on : Friday, April 25, 2008, 02:58:59 pm
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(Original Air Date: 04/28/08) Imagine being forced to dwell in a space that is so cluttered with junk, food and trash, you can barely walk. Nancy and her boyfriend, Bob, live this nightmare every day. In their two homes, flies and plastic containers fill the kitchen, moldy food is stuffed in four refrigerators, and boxes and plastic bags litter the house. The two youngest children sleep on the same couch in the living room, because one's bedroom is cluttered, and the other child doesn't even have a bedroom! Nancy, a former nurse, admits to being an extreme hoarder, but how did she and Bob, a former corporate attorney, allow their lives to degenerate to this chaotic clutter? Their home is trashed, and they're in debt $100,000. Could other issues be contributing to the chaos in the house as well? Hear from the three children, 16, 11 and 9, who are trapped in this mess. Are Nancy and Bob finally ready to rescue their family from the rubble before the kids' lives are ruined forever? Share your thoughts, join the discussion.

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April 28, 2008, 5:39 pm PDT

YOU DON'T UNDERSTAND

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 YEAH THEARS A UNDERLYING PROBLEM ALRIGHT its laying all over the damn house!!!  both her and her husband need to get off thear sorry asses and clean up, and not wait for dr phil to send a cleaning crew in to do it while they sit on thear asses and watch!!!!! its plain to see they DONT GIVE A DAMN WHAT THE CHILDREN CRAWL AROUND THROUGH OR PICK UP AND PUT IN THEAR MOUTH.
 IT'S NOT ABOUT BEING LAZY...OR GETTING OFF THEIR REAR ENDS. WHAT EVER PUT THEM IN THIS SITUATION...IRREGARDLESS OF WHAT IT WAS...THEY NEED HELP. OF COURSE THE CHILDREN AND ANIMALS ARE SUFFERING...WHO WOULDN'T?!  DO YOU THINK YOUR RESPONSE WOULD CURE IT? NO. UNTIL YOU'VE WALK IN THE SHOES OF SOMEONE WITH A PROBLEM LIKE THIS OR ANY OTHER PROBLEM...CONSIDER YOURSELF FORTUNATE AND HAVE SOME COMPASSION FOR THOSE THAT HAVE MENTAL DISORDERS OR PROBLEMS. IT'S REACTIONS LIKE YOURS THAT STILL GIVES THE NEED FOR MENTAL HEALTH A STIGMA. YOU NEED TO GROW UP. 
 
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April 28, 2008, 5:46 pm PDT

AMAZING

I cannot believe she is putting her children through that.  I know what it's like not to be proud of your home when you're a child and don't want to invite friends over because I'm embarrased but she is a disgrace.  Those children need to be taken from her until she gets her life together!!!!!!!!!!!

 

This makes me really angry.  I will take those children and care for them until she's better!!!!!  We have 5 kids together and only one full-time so we have lots of extra space and beds!!

 

Send them to me!!!

 

Wendy

 
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April 28, 2008, 5:50 pm PDT

THINK AGAIN

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 Are you saying that we should not judge them, but just clean out their house for them?  I don't think that's the answer. 

What kind of help should we get them?  They don't want help, they don't want their house or yard cleaned out.  They don't want counseling either because they don't want to change.  They don't want to give up their buying, collecting, their 'treasures'. 

How do we force people to get help who don't want help?  How do we protect the neighbors houses if the hoarder's house catches fire?  How do we protect the hoarder's trashed house and yard from ruining the property values of everyone else around them?  Yes, they need help, but they don't want help.  They don't want the problem solved.  Is that fair to everyone who has to live around them?  Is it fair to their adult children, who worry about their safety and health?  Is it fair to the animals they keep inside?  Is their desire to hoard more important than the neighbors need to live without fear of a fire beginning in hoarder's house and spreading to their home?  Is it fair that a hoarder's house and yard can lower property values, and prevent house sales, on their street? 

People have every right to be as crazy as they want to be and to refuse to accept counseling, UNTIL they infringe on MY rights to live in safety and to sell my house.  Their right to be crazy is not more important than their children's rights to safe, or the rights of my family to be safe.  Their right to be crazy cannot be allowed to effect others.
OK...SO YOUR PROPERTY VALUE MEANS MORE TO YOU THAN THESE PEOPLE? RIGHT? AND I GUESS YOU BELIEVE THAT SOMEONE WILL JUST ALL OF A SUDDEN JUMP AND SAY "YES" I NEED HELP...AND GO RUNNING TO THE NEAREST DOCTOR FOR HELP? IT DOESN'T WORK THAT WAY. LET SOMEONE COME INTO YOUR HOME AND START TAKING THINGS AWAY FROM YOU THAT YOU THINK ARE PRECIOUS...WHETHER THEY ARE OR NOT...MIGHT YOU GET UPSET? NO...EVERYTHING YOU HAVE IS WORTH SOMETHING...THEIR'S ISN'T. THEY HAVE A PROBLEM! THEY NEED HELP...AND UNTIL YOU REALIZE THAT...THERE'S NO HOPE FOR YOUR ATTITUDE. HEAVEN FORBID IF SOMEONE DEVALUES YOUR PROPERTY BECAUSE THEY'RE ILL.
 
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April 28, 2008, 5:54 pm PDT

Extreme Hoarding

I knew of a person in my community whose house burned to the ground a few years back.  The fire department had a heck of a time fighting the fire because she was a hoarder and her house was filled with junk.  They could not drag the hoses into the house to fight the fire because the "goat paths" were so narrow and winded through the center of the rooms.  All the windows and other points of egress were blocked by stuff.  She has several cats that perished in the fire.  Thankfully, no humans were home at the time. 

The insurance company did an investigation and found that her claim was not valid because she caused a situation (the hoarding) which pervented the fire fighters from effectively fighting what they claimed was a minor house fire that progressed into a major one.  In other words, she could not collect a cent for her destroyed home and property.  She had no insurance money to rebuild her home.  She went back and forth with the insurance company for several years about paying the claim and was unsuccessful.  This woman is a professional person, with advanced degrees and well-respected in the community.  Many of her friends and family knew of her hoarding situation, but were not able to help her.  It was a shame, but she didn't learn her lesson. 

After the fire, she bought a condo and resumed hoarding.  This time the condo board was onto her, sued her in court, and they successfully had her evicted from a condo she owned.  They felt that she posed a danger to her neighbors because the condos were attached multifamily units. 

Hoarders don't understand the danger they put others in.  How could they, they are ill.  If family cannot get the hoarders to change, then it should become a legal issue.  I hope that the extreme hoarder on today's show gets the help she needs and that her children can live in a safe and clean home and get their mom back. 

These people are in my thoughts and prayers.

 
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April 28, 2008, 6:05 pm PDT

04/28 A Secret Inside: Extreme Hoarding

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 IT'S NOT ABOUT BEING LAZY...OR GETTING OFF THEIR REAR ENDS. WHAT EVER PUT THEM IN THIS SITUATION...IRREGARDLESS OF WHAT IT WAS...THEY NEED HELP. OF COURSE THE CHILDREN AND ANIMALS ARE SUFFERING...WHO WOULDN'T?!  DO YOU THINK YOUR RESPONSE WOULD CURE IT? NO. UNTIL YOU'VE WALK IN THE SHOES OF SOMEONE WITH A PROBLEM LIKE THIS OR ANY OTHER PROBLEM...CONSIDER YOURSELF FORTUNATE AND HAVE SOME COMPASSION FOR THOSE THAT HAVE MENTAL DISORDERS OR PROBLEMS. IT'S REACTIONS LIKE YOURS THAT STILL GIVES THE NEED FOR MENTAL HEALTH A STIGMA. YOU NEED TO GROW UP. 
you know what ? in all honesty if my house looked like that i would need help too, and i know we all need to lighten up a bit on this poor woman, she already has enough problems trying to figure out what not to clean, but it looked like she was really doing a great job on that already.
 
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April 28, 2008, 6:05 pm PDT

THE CHILD WITHIN

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How do you find out what is causing this if they refuse therapy?  How do you find help for them when they don't want it?  Cleaning the house does no good, they just junk it up again...and quicker than before!  My anger comes from watching a child forced to live in it!

Sunny

PEOPLE LIKE THIS AND OTHER DISORDERS DON'T REALIZE THEY HAVE A PROBLEM...THEREFORE THEY DON'T THINK THEY NEED HELP. THEY'LL SAY ANYTHING, EVEN ARGUE WITH SOMEONE, TO NOT BE BOTHERED BY PEOPLE. IF THEY GET HELP AND CONTINUE STAY WITH IT, IT WILL WORK OUT...BUT THEY HAVE TO BE WILLING AND WANTING HELP. ANY CHILD LIVING IN CONDITIONS LIKE THIS IS TERRIBLE...AND I'M BEING KIND HERE. INTERVENTION IS NEEDED IN THESE CASES, BUT I'M NOT THE ONE THAT DECIDES WHAT KIND OF INTERVENTION. SOMETIMES, TEARING A FAMILY APART CAN DO HARM...REBUILDING THE FAMILY UNIT IS BETTER. BUT AGAIN, THIS TAKES THE PROPER HELP DIAGNOSED FOR THE PROBLEM.
 
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April 28, 2008, 6:06 pm PDT

my mom is a hoarder

my mom has always had lots of stuff. When I was younger she had energry and kept the house full but extramly clean and she was so picky and anal.  If my barbie doll clothes were not in the bin flat from biggest to smallest I was in trouble! she was that bad.  Now she has even more stuff, way less room and not as much energy.  I feel bad for my sis still at home.  She is very loving and the house is not a health hazard and its clean just packed full and PACKED FULL
 
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April 28, 2008, 6:12 pm PDT

04/28 A Secret Inside: Extreme Hoarding

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I posted in here earlier. My brother and I should have been removed for the condition of the house, my parents were also drug addicts, a lot like this woman. We only had two fridges and oen big freezer but they were full of rotten or freezer burned food ect. My bedroom was a littler box and the trash was always oveflowing ect.. I could write a novel. So what I meant was now that  am an adult I am constantly at war withmyself with even a normal amount of clutter. Its a difficult thing to deal with, the aftermath of childhood neglect isn't something I see discussed very often.  

 

 I feel really bad for those children, and the pets. My mom wants to get a dog (which is horrifying) cats are more independant but a dog will probably cause me to have to call the ASPCA.. on my parents. But yeah I made me bed too!!

you are doing very good god bless you, your proof that it can be overcome, i pray you countinue doing a good job and you only find happiness, im sorry you had to live life as a child in that kind of enviroment. may god brighten your days from this day on.
 
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April 28, 2008, 6:18 pm PDT

Guilt?

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I knew just about all my neighbors on my street except one. She was not the kind of person who would get out of her car when she came home from work, turn to us to smile and wave. She was a nurse at a local, well known hospital, in San Bernardino county CA.

She had recently become divorced, and I noticed that she was no longer taking the meticulous care of her lawn like she used to. We all just chided it on. She worked long hours, and on occasion we would catch her coming home, always with some kind of fast food, and a 12 pack of beer, or a gallon of cheap wine.

 

A few years went by. We were accustomed to seeing a gardener weed whack her mess a couple of times a year. We figured correctly that she was in violation of city code, and was being forced to deal with her weeds.

Around this time, we started to get roof rats in our garage, and my neighbor across the street, who lived next door to this woman was having to deal with cockroaches. It was then that I began to really watch what was going on across the street. This woman never set her trash out, yet, she was always taking stuff INTO her house. I took my kids trick or treating there, and the woman had her foot behind her door, keeping it somewhat closed, but I saw a huge mess behind her. I called the city and told them about our rat problem (and I was freaked out by them.) and the cockroaches that we never had before, and told them about the woman across the street. I was told that the city had looked into the matter, and the woman was fine, a nice lady, so let sleeping dogs lie.

I was a bit perturbed. I did not want rats or bugs in my space. I had 4 small kids and I babysat as well. I did not want any of them to get sick.

 

Several months later, the lady was led out of her house by the police! Right afterward, a crew came to clean her house. They set a huge dumpster on her driveway, and filled it to the brim. My neighbor had enough insight to take his camera over to the house, and take pictures. My neighbor gave the pictures to me. Her entire home was covered a good four foot high or more, with pizza cartons, McDonald's bags, old newspaper. There was a kitchen in this house at one time, but it disappeared under a stinking mass of trash. She had a waterbed with no water in it, just piled high with old wine bottles. Same for her bathroom. There were two bedrooms. Oddly, one of the bedrooms had nothing in it. No furniture, no bed, nothing, EXCEPT there were cracks in the wall and the plants from outside were growing inside.

 

I don't know why the police took her away, someone said she was physicotic. She defiantly had a drinking problem, if nothing else. It's sad to think that someone could suffer such a mental breakdown, and in this case, it must have been brought on by her divorce. To think that maybe she did something at work, a slip up with a patient? It's speculation for sure.

 

My Uncle was not quite as bad, but he never cleaned, even though his personal habits, hygiene, were impeccable. He would never let any of the family in "his" house after my Great Grandmother died, and we were not surprised that he was selling her house (she died intestate, but that is another story) and it was to be sold as a tear down. The house was HORRID. The wonderful people who bought the home (it was built in 1905) decided that this grand old lady of a home was not to be demolished, but brought back to her turn of the century slender. I was blessed that this family let me in the house to show me the work they put into it. It was the highlight of my trip back to my native Chicago a few years ago. BTW, the house had pigeons in the attic, and a family of raccoons in the chimney! Several windows were also broken. It amazes me that my Uncle did not freeze to death in the bitter cold Chicago winters.

 

Same with the lady that used to live across the street (I moved from that area years ago). Her house was cleaned, fixed up and sold to a nice family with two little girls.

 

In a way, I feel badly that I did not reach out to this woman, Maybe all she needed was a shoulder to cry on. I had a very full plate in front of me. A bad abusive marriage, four kids under 7, babysat and cleaned houses so I could feed my kids, and a number of illnesses, so reaching out, for me, was not an option.

 

 Same with my Uncle. In his case, he sent all my letters back to me unopened, and he never answered his telephone, so after a while, the family just quit trying to make contact.

She may have needed a shoulder to cry on or maybe not. There could be many reasons that would have led your neighbour into this kind of lifestyle.

 

There is no need to justify yourself for not offering a shoulder to cry on. I found it really odd that you did though. Do you feel guilt?

 
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April 28, 2008, 6:20 pm PDT

About nurses...

Quote From: suebonnetsue

 Why are hoarders so often nurses?  There must be an explanation, but I don't know what it is. 

For people who grew up in these awful circumstances, there are some good websites:
http://www.childrenofhoarders.com/forum/index.php

http://health.groups.yahoo.com/group/childrenofhoarders/


I hope all of you, children of hoarders, know it is NOT your fault, you did NOT cause it and you can NOT fix it. 

Hi, I'm working as a patient care tech and going to nursing school...and what I'm seeing is really frightening. We all work 12-hour shifts and each of us do the physical/emotional/mental tasks of several people in those 12 hours. On most shifts, I don't even have time to go to the bathroom. From what I've seen, many nurses are fried within six months of passing their boards. I've had several of them tell me to leave school and do something else while I still had my health, sanity and sense. These are good, caring people who went into nursing for the right reasons, and then had the compassion driven right out of them. Even before I saw on this program that the hoarder was a nurse, I figured she was in the profession. Several of my co-workers drive cars that are so full of fast food trash that they can't even roll down their windows. They're embarrassed about it (and no, they aren't homeless) but seem too worn out/burned out to care about anything.

 

Caregivers are notorious for not taking good care of themselves. I was a paramedic for more than a decade before going to nursing school, and the same thing happens in EMS. We finally make it home after a tough shift, flop onto our beds, and just stop giving a damn. When you have to wake up again in 12 hours and start another shift, why bother? Healthcare providers in this insurance-driven age are put through living hell. Most of the nurses I work with are taking some type of antidepressant and need Ambien to fall asleep at the end of their shift. Painkiller addictions are not unusual for healthcare providers who have access to them. Most of us have injured our backs/knees/shoulders/name-the-joint, and employee health gives out painkillers like candy to numb the pain so they can get us back to work quick (often without doing much for the injury, itself).

 

I haven't given up on nursing (and like many nurses, I've already invested too much $$$ to quit). But I'm also seeing the real-world beyond my books, and it's little wonder that people don't stay in the profession. Many people doing clinical care often work in extremes, and the lady on this show is no exception...she's got some real issues with hanging onto things. Sounds like for the longest time, all her stuff was ALL she had left to hang onto.

 

 

 
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