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Topic : 07/01 A Secret Inside: Extreme Hoarding

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Created on : Friday, April 25, 2008, 02:58:59 pm
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(Original Air Date: 04/28/08) Imagine being forced to dwell in a space that is so cluttered with junk, food and trash, you can barely walk. Nancy and her boyfriend, Bob, live this nightmare every day. In their two homes, flies and plastic containers fill the kitchen, moldy food is stuffed in four refrigerators, and boxes and plastic bags litter the house. The two youngest children sleep on the same couch in the living room, because one's bedroom is cluttered, and the other child doesn't even have a bedroom! Nancy, a former nurse, admits to being an extreme hoarder, but how did she and Bob, a former corporate attorney, allow their lives to degenerate to this chaotic clutter? Their home is trashed, and they're in debt $100,000. Could other issues be contributing to the chaos in the house as well? Hear from the three children, 16, 11 and 9, who are trapped in this mess. Are Nancy and Bob finally ready to rescue their family from the rubble before the kids' lives are ruined forever? Share your thoughts, join the discussion.

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April 30, 2008, 9:26 am PDT

It's true - don't blame families who have tried to help

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I turned my daughter in for the conditions she was forcing her son to live in.  She was given 30 days to clean it up.  She proved she was working at it and they dropped the case.  Once the 'threat' was over, she went back to her slovenly ways.

 

The thing that is hard to believe is how these folks can walk out of those homes looking perfect and squeaky clean!!  My daughter has spent 19 years in the Air Force...HOW can she be such a pig at home?  How can she deprive her son of a place to play or have friends over? 

 

While she was in Iraq, my grandson and I gutted his room and redid it.  The 2 cats had used his room for a litter pan so I gave them away.  It hurt him but as we pulled the rug off the floor...he understood.  We discovered mold and mildew also.  I became physically sick several times a day!  After hauling his mothers things out of his room and putting the 20 large bottles of laundry soap and 32 bottles of softener in the laundry room, went through the shopping bags and put things away...the room became manageable.  We spent most of the summer on his room because we could only work on 1/4th of it at a time and I had a broken leg. 

 

We started on her room and the laundry room.  The cats had used her room also.  Her room is half  the basement and was piled to within inches of the ceiling.  6 months later and it looks even worse than when we cleaned it up!  AND she's in debt again!  I had control of her money when she was in Iraq.  I got all her debts paid off and had over 5 thousand in savings for her!

 

I just threatened her again so she's attempting to clean up.  My grandson is now 11 and it's becoming harder and harder to explain to his friends why they can't come play at his house.  He can't even let them in the front door!

 

My daughter refuses 'professional help' because of her job in the Air Force.  She has NO organizational skills.  I get her organized and she does well for awhile, but eventually she buys so much that there is just NO place to go with it all.  I don't know what to do anymore!  You can lead a horse to water but you can't make him drink!  She's got a huge heart and does a lot of charity work but I tell her charity begins at home and she just rolls her eyes.  It's a no win situation.

 

I hope to learn how to get through to her by watching this show.  They have to WANT help to GET help!

 

CPS has some very strange rules when it comes to removing a child from his home.  Most of the time they just threaten.  How would the school know when the child comes to school in designer clothes and squeaky clean? 

 

Sunny 

It is understandable why people might think, ``why didn't their families do something?'' But until you've had a hoarder in your family, you may not understand that it's next to impossible to help hoarders - really, with much of anything.

You can offer your time to clean. The behaviors will continue as soon as you leave.

You can offer help with organizing bills and creating a pay-off-debt plan. It will not be followed.

You can haul stuff away. There will be more the next time you arrive.

It's heart-breaking to have a family member living like this, especially if children are involved. But until a hoarder wants and gets counseling, medication and a new set of habits, I maintain that there is not a heck of a lot that someone on the outside - even a family member - can do.

 

 
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April 30, 2008, 10:22 am PDT

Yes.............

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I thought she acted extremely drunk -- like booze mixed with muscle relaxers or pain killers. The goofy smile, slurred speech. Her and her "boyfriend" make quite a pair.

Totally agree. And it was more that just drinking. So, that's what I can't figure.... Dr Phil is always so straight forward but not in this case, he seemed to believe her story that she has had it soo hard.

Again, get those children to a relative (their dad) so Nancy can get her self together and the kids will not be poisoned by some bad food, or get sick from the air filled with animal feces.

 
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April 30, 2008, 11:14 am PDT

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Why is it that hoarders ALWAYS have animals?  Some collect stray cats or dogs, allow them to poop and pee all over everything just to add to the mess.  If you can't take care of a house (or 2 houses) what makes you think of adding dogs and cats to the chaos?  Let alone children.

Maybe the state can "babysit" while mom decides if she wants help and a free kitchen.

My best friend's dad is a hoarder and he collects animals too!! It's so bizarre because I went to her house last summer and I hadn't been there in over 2 years and among all the junk (piles and piles of just absolute crap) her dad was hoarding in their backyard there was also a pack of 8 dogs out there.

 

I asked about them and my friend just shrugged her shoulders and said all those dogs were her dad's that he got from friends. I was absolutely horrified. Plus inside their house had to be at least 4-5 cats running around. I never see any litter boxes in their house either and those dogs are allowed to go where ever they want outside in that mess out there.

 

These couldn't have been humane conditions for these animals, but apparently each dog and cat are taken to the vet once a month for check-ups. Her dad is very attentive about getting their check-ups. It's crazy.

 
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April 30, 2008, 12:07 pm PDT

Nancy is in deep!

GROSS!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! Memo To The  Dysfunctional....
Have you noticed that when there are "Issues" in any situation, it's because someone is thinking ONLY of themselves? 
This so called "mother" is so caught up in
herself that she does care about the impact on others.
 Thank you Dr. Phil  for trying to shed some light on this dark pit of  despair this woman is  heaping upon her own children (with her husband's wimpy permission). I noticed when she was being filmed at home, Nancy seemed to have an expression of glee/amusement on her face, which makes me think her mind is screwed up (probably due to her alcohol consumption); or, she likes the attention this behavior gets her! Maybe both! I also think you, Dr. Phil,went a bit too easy on her, which is what I think everyone, except her friend, has done thus far..Bravo to that friend of hers, and no loss if she doesn't speak to her again either!  YUK!!!!
 
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April 30, 2008, 12:18 pm PDT

04/28 A Secret Inside: Extreme Hoarding

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OK.......sorry but this one is just making me madder by the minute!!  Poor Girl....as a NURSE she knew better than to get hooked on drugs...unless of course she is stupid!!  So if she lost her license too bad...I wouldn't want her taking care of anyone in my family anyway. It seem she and her boyfriend have more money than brains. And then to play the "poor-me-I-got-it-so-tough-card", my only sympathy gos to her kids. I can only hope Child Protection removes them to a clean and safe place...far from wacko Mom, and her drunk boyfriend.  I deeply resent as a frequent shopper of Lowe's, that they have money to bail out these low-lifes...It would seem they are charging their customes too much if they have money to waste on these people.

 

Chris

I Totally agree...I cannot stand that "Poor me" mentality either!!!! I suspect there is a LOT of that going around!!!
 
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April 30, 2008, 12:19 pm PDT

04/28 A Secret Inside: Extreme Hoarding

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Wow I am sorry to hear that you are going through so much! I am especially sorry to hear about your mom! I lost my mom when she was 70 to pancreatic cancer she literally went from teaching aerobics one week to being completely paralyzed from a stroke the next. 

 

It just shows the difference in how people handle things.  Nancy sat on the show yesterday and rattled off a long list of things that had gone wrong in her life and she couldn't see that she was the cause of many of those things.  And, from what you've written, it sounds like you've been through a lot of stuff, too, but you are stepping up to the plate and handling your life and taking care of your family which are the right things to do!

 

A lot of people don't have one home of their own to live in, let alone having two! I know that Nancy has an illness, but she needs to open her eyes and count her blessings.  I know it's not all that simple but maybe then she can start to work on getting well.  It really made me angry, too, to hear her threaten to put those children into foster care, because that's the kind of harmful thing that can really stick in a child's head and threaten their security!  Just those three children are such a blessing! 

 

She's not a bad person but she needs to get well if those children are going to have any kind of a decent life.  I think maybe that poor Bob drinks himself into oblivion just to block out his messy surroundings.  Nancy probably drinks because she doesn't know what to do with herself next.  If they could both sober up  and keep their house clean and quit buying stuff, I think they'd have a whole lot to offer those kids!

thank you for your kind words,  and i really am sorry you lost your mother,through gods grace mine is doing as well today , no signs of any more cancer, he truly blessed her , all mom needed was some one here to make sure her house wasn't being neglected and cook meals for her, i let her do every thing she was able to do while going through the kemo, i did not want her to feel like she was useless, as i have seen many people feel in that situation, i think that the frame of mind we are in has a lot to do with how we recover from such things, i too do not think Nancy is a bad  person, she just has a few bad habits,

 in all honesty i cant imagine bob just sitting and drinking in that house, seems to me that smell that had to be in the house would contaminate his beer, i know i wouldn't drink one in Thar, but even bob could have gotten up and picked up the trash out of at least the kitchen area, bob ain't winning any awards in his good house keeping nether, i hope in a way Nancy gets to see what we think all over the country about how she is making those children live, not that she would care but just maybe it will make her stop and think before she ever lets her home get to that shape again, i just do not understand how any of her neighbors just sat by and let the smell pouring out of that house blow by them and not at least go over and tell her it had to stop, i know i would have, i bet grilling out any wear near those 2 houses they have was red flagged, god only knows, i am thankful to him for many things and having clean neighbors is one of them, some times my neighbors don't cut Thar grass as often as i would like for them to but I'm not the one having to walk across it so i dint let it bother me, i keep moms cut as we have 3 dogs and one is a cross between a chihuahua and a Australian Shepard, we call her baby dumpling lol she has short legs as her chihuahua dad, so if i let it grow she gets her little belly wet when the dew is on it, you know i guess what made me so angry about seeing the way Nancy was living was the fact that it seems i care more for my dogs than she seemed to care for her own flesh and blood, Ive done a lot of drugs in my time but never just let wear my child had to dwell get filthy, it really don't take much effort to keep a house clean. once again I'm sorry you lost your mother, i cant even come close to knowing what life will be like for me when god calls my mom home,

 
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April 30, 2008, 2:00 pm PDT

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OK.......sorry but this one is just making me madder by the minute!!  Poor Girl....as a NURSE she knew better than to get hooked on drugs...unless of course she is stupid!!  So if she lost her license too bad...I wouldn't want her taking care of anyone in my family anyway. It seem she and her boyfriend have more money than brains. And then to play the "poor-me-I-got-it-so-tough-card", my only sympathy gos to her kids. I can only hope Child Protection removes them to a clean and safe place...far from wacko Mom, and her drunk boyfriend.  I deeply resent as a frequent shopper of Lowe's, that they have money to bail out these low-lifes...It would seem they are charging their customes too much if they have money to waste on these people.

 

Chris

Yepper, instead of bailing idiots out of messes they got themselves into, Lowes ought to start charging their paying customers less.

 
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April 30, 2008, 4:15 pm PDT

Why haven't parents been arrested?

Look at this CNN story today on Nancy Grace and then tell me WHY these parents have not been arrested too!   I think this house was even worse than the one shown on Nancy Grace today. Clearly child neglect and abuse and clearly this house is a BIOHAZARD!!! Why aren't they in jail.  For God sakes the man is an attorney and just as responsible for their neglect as she is.  Mental illnessor not.. they should have been charged with a crime!

 

http://www.cnn.com/video/#/video/crime/2008/04/29/grace.filthy.baby.cnn

 
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April 30, 2008, 5:36 pm PDT

04/28 A Secret Inside: Extreme Hoarding

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what would you have Dr Phil do send those children back into that home and cook and eat a meal on any of that kitchen stuff if thear was even any thing to cook on in that kitchen hell i couldn't see the kitchen from all the trash, for gods sake the woman had to put her cookies in the garage that alone tells me that thear wan no counter space in the kitchen, seems she  lost them and forgot about them judging by what she said about them being 2years old the day she found them while the camera crew was over at that house filming, i hope she wasn't trying to be polite and offer any of Dr Phil's staff those cookies she said they had mold or something growing on them, but if that was mold her being a nurse she knows they make penicillin out of them, and whats this about Dr Phil missing the boat? did he send them on a cruse to the Bahamas like i was saying he should the staff members I'm referring to and those people you call got junk people is incorrect i think the name was  just gotjunk.com, and yes that was a very good choice, maybe i need to stop worrying about people being mad at Dr Phil for getting LOWE'S TO GIVE HER A NEW KITCHEN,  it wernt the doc giving it to her, he made it possible for her to get it from LOWE'S, maybe a nice grill with a big bag of onions and 10 pounds of hamburger would have been a better choice, who knows she may enjoy cooking on a new grill that way she wont mess up that new kitchen. you know what? i wish people would stop complaining about that kitchen she ain't got yet, those children do deserve it thats who Dr Phil did it for THE CHILDREN don't keep trying to take that away from them before they even get it.
 I didn't call them the junk people. I called them the GotJunk people but neglected to hit the space bar soon enough and "people" got lumped in there.  *sheesh*

Dr. Phil missed a boat by rewarding them with a new kitchen when they are addicted toxic people who have brought a lot on themselves with their legal and criminal troubles. They need HELP, then if they clean the mess up and show they can change their toxic behaviors, THEN a new kitchen would be more logical.
 
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April 30, 2008, 6:10 pm PDT

Can You Imagine?

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Look at this CNN story today on Nancy Grace and then tell me WHY these parents have not been arrested too!   I think this house was even worse than the one shown on Nancy Grace today. Clearly child neglect and abuse and clearly this house is a BIOHAZARD!!! Why aren't they in jail.  For God sakes the man is an attorney and just as responsible for their neglect as she is.  Mental illnessor not.. they should have been charged with a crime!

 

http://www.cnn.com/video/#/video/crime/2008/04/29/grace.filthy.baby.cnn

I cannot even imagine what Nancy Grace would have to say!  Thanks for that visual (and audio too!)
 
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