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Topic : 07/01 A Secret Inside: Extreme Hoarding

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(Original Air Date: 04/28/08) Imagine being forced to dwell in a space that is so cluttered with junk, food and trash, you can barely walk. Nancy and her boyfriend, Bob, live this nightmare every day. In their two homes, flies and plastic containers fill the kitchen, moldy food is stuffed in four refrigerators, and boxes and plastic bags litter the house. The two youngest children sleep on the same couch in the living room, because one's bedroom is cluttered, and the other child doesn't even have a bedroom! Nancy, a former nurse, admits to being an extreme hoarder, but how did she and Bob, a former corporate attorney, allow their lives to degenerate to this chaotic clutter? Their home is trashed, and they're in debt $100,000. Could other issues be contributing to the chaos in the house as well? Hear from the three children, 16, 11 and 9, who are trapped in this mess. Are Nancy and Bob finally ready to rescue their family from the rubble before the kids' lives are ruined forever? Share your thoughts, join the discussion.

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July 2, 2008, 5:58 am PDT

Chris

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Dear Dr. Phil,

 

I'm a sporatic watcher, not a consistent one.  When I heard the topic of todays' show I resolved to watch the full program.  It was hard to watch.  Am I a hoarder?  Yes, to some degree but I couldn't touch the depth of todays lady.  I do admit to considerable clutter though none of it is food.  Mostly books, magazines and unfinished projects.

 

I haven't always agreed with some of your solutions but do feel you care about your guests and a productive, successful outcome.  For nearly 20 years I was a renter in a property owned by my brother.  He stopped by one day without calling and the house was not up to muster.  His first comment was, you need to get this place cleaned up.  I did start working on it with the help of my daughter and one of my sister-in-laws but it wasn't going fast enough for him.  Approximately a week later he stopped by again and announced that the following Saturday I was to find somewhere else to be because he was recruiting my other siblings (I'm one of eight) and having a dumpster delivered and they would be clearing out the apartment.  It's amazing what was missing when I returned to my apartment.  Come to find out he had a deadline because he was putting the house up for sale.  No I was not told there was a deadline or about the sale.  I really went into a slump after that.

 

I have been a high school business teacher now for over 25 years.  Currently 58.  No excuses here just information, in 1998 I had the my second of two strokes.  I had a very poor doctor at the time and ended up retreating into a depression I was never warned about.  I was admitted to the hospital on a Monday, stayed four days, discharged Friday and returned to work on the following Monday.  I had asked when I could return to work and was told "When you feel up to it." 

 

Feeling up to working had no part in it; I was brought up with a very strong work ethic.  You have a responsibility to be at work and if not you better be on your death bed.  No other reason to miss work.

 

Needless to say, I experienced considerable difficulty upon my return to work.  Three weeks later I made an appointment to sit down with the neurologist that attended me while in the hospital.  I conveyed my difficulties:  (1) memory loss (2) physical and emotional exhaustion (3) constant and increasing anxiety and stress levels (4) considerable confusion.  I was too tired when I got home to do housework and was literally sleeping all weekend just so I could make it through the next week.  When I asked him what I could do about it his response was, "Get over it!"  I think back now and wish I still had some of my youth brass.

 

My parents, God bless them, have both passed and where children of the depression years. . . nothing was ever thrown out if there was a slight chance it would be useful later.  BUT the house was always neat and organized so how did I end up like this?

 

I believe I can attribute my clutter to my extended levels of anxiety and depresssion and health issues (as noted above plus Type II diabetic, severe sleep apnea (awake 43 times per hour average) now have a CPap to use and am on 90 mg Cymbalta daily.  What do you think?  I have no interest in becoming a show participant but would welcome a brief response if you can find the time.

 

I'm currently on summer vacation and will check periodically to see if you have any words of wisdom for me.

 

Chris

 

 

Dear Chris,

The tone of your post is so very sad. I truly hope you find your way out of all this.

[ If your post is directed to Dr. Phil I think I should tell you that I don't believe he actually has time to read these message boards -- they are more intended for those of us who watch the show and then talk to each other about it.]

Bless your heart you have so many problems working together. No restful sleep, diabetes, depression, clutter -- no wonder you're exhausted. You say nothing about your weight but since over weight is closely connected with sleep apnea and diabetes, I'm guessing that you're adding to your exhaustion by carrying a few extra pounds (it takes one to know one.) (Smile)

Where do you start? I'm all for babysteps. I've lost 22 pounds this year and for me it was mainly a matter of 30 minutes a day of walking and eating a salad with a can of salmon for lunch everyday. I think you can approach your own problems with a few babystep rules.

Try cleaning or sorting for 30 minutes a day. It will serve as both exercise and de-cluttering and will work on several of your problems at once.

You can look up Peter Walsh on the internet. He is a clutter expert who recommends filling a trash-bag with clutter every day. Just a bag a day can make a big difference over time.

When you start to get anxious, thinking "What if I need this someday?" remind yourself that if that day comes, you can always go to Wal-mart and buy a new one. Most things you're hoarding aren't worth their price in storage fees.

Houses are sold by square footage, every square foot you have sacrificed to clutter is square footage you have paid for but lost.

Chris, I really believe that you can dig your way out. Out of the clutter, out of the depression, out of the poor health. One bag of trash at a time.

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July 2, 2008, 8:53 am PDT

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Dear Chris,

The tone of your post is so very sad. I truly hope you find your way out of all this.

[ If your post is directed to Dr. Phil I think I should tell you that I don't believe he actually has time to read these message boards -- they are more intended for those of us who watch the show and then talk to each other about it.

Bless your heart you have so many problems working together. No restful sleep, diabetes, depression, clutter -- no wonder you're exhausted. You say nothing about your weight but since over weight is closely connected with sleep apnea and diabetes, I'm guessing that you're adding to your exhaustion by carrying a few extra pounds (it takes one to know one.) (Smile)

Where do you start? I'm all for babysteps. I've lost 22 pounds this year and for me it was mainly a matter of 30 minutes a day of walking and eating a salad with a can of salmon for lunch everyday. I think you can approach your own problems with a few babystep rules.

Try cleaning or sorting for 30 minutes a day. It will serve as both exercise and de-cluttering and will work on several of your problems at once.

You can look up Peter Walsh on the internet. He is a clutter expert who recommends filling a trash-bag with clutter every day. Just a bag a day can make a big difference over time.

When you start to get anxious, thinking "What if I need this someday?" remind yourself that if that day comes, you can always go to Wal-mart and buy a new one. Most things you're hoarding aren't worth their price in storage fees.

Houses are sold by square footage, every square foot you have sacrificed to clutter is square footage you have paid for but lost.

Chris, I really believe that you can dig your way out. Out of the clutter, out of the depression, out of the poor health. One bag of trash at a time.

Best wishes,
Fluffyfat

Hi Fluffyfat,

 

Thanks for the warm thoughts and yes you are right I am carrying extra weight.  In fact, this year when a few of my students found my high school picture on the internet, they commented on how I didn't look anything like my picture.  My response was that in high school I was one person and now I'm two.

 

I am planning on working on it all but need to find the baby steps first.  I've started by prioritizing my TO DO items. (1) Health and house.  They go together because I know I will be happier if I can have my house back (actually it's an apartment) and with a clear house I will have the time to exercise and cook better meals to work on the diabetes and weight.

 

Sounds like you have your head on straight; thanks again for the input.

 

Chris AKA searching4me

 
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July 2, 2008, 9:23 am PDT

what are the youngest two children learning

i hope that the show that i viewed on 7/1/08 has a good ending.  it will be difficult for this lady to change her ways even if she does get counseling and help cleaning up.  i hope that she can clean out the home, condo, and storage unit, have a huge yard sale, sell the home OR the condo, and get rid of about half of that debt . 

I REALLY WANT TO KNOW WHAT HAPPENED TO HER, HER BOYFRIEND, CHILDREN, AND THE WHOLE SITUATION.

When will that be aired? 

 
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July 2, 2008, 10:02 am PDT

are the all the same?

My mom has this terrible disorder. It is disgusting!! I have noticed that all the people who are featured on these shows have one thing in common. They all act like victims; That they keep on getting put down by life. My mom is the same way. She can not seem to realize that she is the cause of her entire life and that there is no one to blame but herself... I do feel sorry for these people. For some reason many of them do not seek treatment. I think it is part of the disorder. I just wish there was more support for the people and the families. My mother lives near a huge city and still she would have to pay a lot of money and drive a long way to seek counseling for her issues. The other thing that I find unbelievable is that as family members we are not supposed to clean up because they could have a breakdown. My family has cleaned up my mom’s place 2 x because her place was putting her in danger. My mother is now extremely ill and I believe is a result of years of living in filth.

 

I wish there was help!

 
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July 2, 2008, 12:25 pm PDT

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Give me a break!  Those kids are fine. They aren't living as bad as you think. They sounded to me like

very intelligent and sympathetic children, capable of taking care of themselves and Mom. All families are

not alike, and this family is just different.

Those kids aren't living "as bad as" we think?

Their house is so cluttered, two of the three kids don't even have beds to sleep in. And, the one who does have a bed can't even sleep in it because of the stench from cat feces. That isn't bad?

Their mother and her boyfriend drink and start hitting each other. That isn't bad?

Their mother even drinks and drives. With them in the car. That isn't bad?

Their mother and her boyfriend are tens of thousands of dollars in debt. That isn't bad?

 

 

 

 
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July 2, 2008, 12:29 pm PDT

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Give me a break!  Those kids are fine. They aren't living as bad as you think. They sounded to me like

very intelligent and sympathetic children, capable of taking care of themselves and Mom. All families are

not alike, and this family is just different.

Those kids aren't living "as bad as" we think?

Their house is so cluttered, two of the three kids don't even have beds to sleep in. And, the one who does have a bed can't even sleep in it because of the stench from cat feces. That isn't bad?

Their mother and her boyfriend drink and start hitting each other. That isn't bad?

Their mother even drinks and drives. With them in the car. That isn't bad?

Their mother and her boyfriend are tens of thousands of dollars in debt. That isn't bad?

If you don't think living in a cluttered, filthy, stinking fire-trap with two drunks is that bad, I'd hate to see what you think is bad.

 

 

 

 
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July 2, 2008, 12:41 pm PDT

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What a tragedy for you, Kathie. Your poor helpless sister!

As for your brother, oh my, I have mentally ill relatives myself and I do make allowances for all the special struggles they have, but, I also know that their own personal effort can make a huge difference. My relative has schizophrenia but she still manages to go to work, keep a clean house and be considerate of others -- even when hearing voices.

I agree that trash and filth should be called by what they are. Calling overflowing kitty litter bins and rotten food, "clutter" is just making excuses and perpetuating denial.

Today's guest, Nancy, was so full of self-pity. Not getting a call back form a modeling agency hardly justifies raising your children in filth. Where does OCD stop and ordinary laziness begin?

Down South, we call it sorriness.

 

 
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July 2, 2008, 12:45 pm PDT

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 There are so many people with alot of problems.  This lady is an example of the 3 "W's" - Whine, Wimper, Wallow.  Nothing is ever her fault & everything happens to her.  Her kids should be taken away from her and she should be reported to the health department.  What a sad example she is setting for her children--especially her 3 daughters.
Actually, it's two daughters and a son.
 
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July 2, 2008, 12:48 pm PDT

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Why is she setting a bad example especially for her daughters? Are the boys exempt from needing to learn to keep a house clean also? That is narrow minded, get into the year 2008 with the rest of us!

Actually, it's two daughters and son. Who wants, as desperately as they do, to live in a clean house. When Dr Phil told him boys don't keep their rooms clean, he said he would.

 
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July 2, 2008, 1:26 pm PDT

Boys need to learn too..................

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Actually, it's two daughters and son. Who wants, as desperately as they do, to live in a clean house. When Dr Phil told him boys don't keep their rooms clean, he said he would.

I was offended by this persons statement because it basically stated that women are the one who need to learn to keep the house clean. Men need to learn the same skills too. My husband (luckily) is capable of taking very good care of himself, laundry, cooking, cleaning, etc. Since he works away so much he has to. But since many men live alone they need the skills too. Plus, the idea that the little woman is the housekeeper is extremely antiquated. Isn't this supposed to be the era of equal opportunity?
 
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