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(Original Air Date: 04/29/08) Christina, 21, and her younger sister, Carlie, 13, say they had a close relationship with their father, Michael, until two years ago when he decided to transition to a female. Michael was a police officer, soldier and loving parent who lived his life as a male for 40 years. Now, he wants his daughters to call him Mom, because he says Dad is gone, but they refuse. Michael, who prefers to be called Kayla, says she wants to explain to her daughters why she's living as a woman, but they've never given her the chance. The last time Christina saw her father was two years ago when he showed up at her work in lace and blue jeans to break the news that he's transgendered. When she sees Kayla onstage, does she greet her with open arms? Next, Carlie joins her sister and father. She says she wants her old dad back, but will she feel the same after seeing Kayla? Can the father-daughter bond be turned into a mother-daughter one? Be prepared for an emotional journey as two daughters  struggle to understand how someone they say loved so much could hurt them so badly. Talk about the show here.

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April 29, 2008, 2:39 pm PDT

Unrealistic

The girls have unrealistic expectations.  He is GAY and will always be!  He does not have to live as a man to please his daughters.  Especially the older one, she should have a better understanding.  Until he pays child support, he has no right to be spending money  pampering himself.  He can live as a woman, without getting manicures etc.  He can learn to polish his own nails and do his own hair.  All I hear from the girls is "I want".  Do they not care about their father's feelings? At all?
 
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April 29, 2008, 2:41 pm PDT

Difficult

I understand how difficult it is to see someone in your family make a gender change. I'm so sorry for these young girls to have to go through the loss of their father. The father needs help. He produced children. Now he needs to take responsibility for his children. He just expects his daughters to accept their loss and doesn't even show concern about their grief. He thinks It's all about him. They are young. Girls need a man to protect them and to go to when they need a shoulder and to be there for them and show them unconditional love. People that make that kind of change think that they are doing the right thing for themselves with no regard for their family but they are still the same person and will still have the same problems they had plus the problems that they create by making the change. They will be laughed at and made fun of and called names. That doesn't seem like a better life to me. Why not just learn to love themselves the way God made them and look to Him for the acceptance they are seeking. This man needs to think of his daughters and listen to what they are trying to tell him. He only sees what he thinks he wants. Family is much more important than ANYTHING else. Its ALL about the children.
 
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April 29, 2008, 2:41 pm PDT

I agree

Quote From: meddysmusings

 My 14yr old daughter and I are very upset with these children and especially the "iota" of disgust that Dr. Phil has passed on to Kayla. True, Kayla made this choice and Kayla's children have made theirs. Luckily Kayla was not in an accident and disfigured, that may have been disgusting, too- how could you, Dr. Phil, pass judgement on the physically apparent emotional reaction of a former military trained person when these children say how disgusting Kayla is? Kayla cannot reach out to hold them - they would be repulsed because this human being made choices to better and support the true self. Kayla respected the boundaries they had set in place. Kayla was separated from the family long before this far reaching, soul searching choice.

And by the way, to the Mom of Carlie - it is not "my" child support... it is for Carlie. Kayla's business has changed, so may the amount/percentage Kayla is required to add to her support.

Kayla, may you feel comfortable in yourself. Family is what is created in the heart. Let your heart be open to the voice of Truth.


I agree with you meddysmusings.  I believe Kayla has not considered and is not considering her children since deciding to make the change in her appearance, however I have not heard any support for her regarding this difficult process.  I understand that the children are angry and do not understand this change, and I think Dr Phil could have made this easier for the children and ultimately the family by not supporting the anger focused on their father now looking like a woman.  She is taking care of herself by making that change, and that is unfortunately what they will ultimately have to come to terms with in order to have a meaningful relationship with Kayla, and she with them. 

 

Dr Phil, I live in Canada, and it seems as though we may be a little further along in understanding about transgender.  I was very uncomfortable when I heard you introduce her as Michael and not Kayla.  That is not appropriate here. You mentioned that you were not judgmental about her, however that is not how it felt to me.  I think if you had stuck with how Kayla was really disconnected with her family, and was not compassionate and really had not handled this well (all of which you mentioned), I think that would have been the appropriate, non-judgmental way to discuss the situation. 

 

In Canada, there is extensive counselling, physical examinations and psychological analysis, as I understand it, before they are able to be approved for surgery.  I am not sure if that occurred in Kayla's case - she certainly did not have the support she needed to make this is much smoother transition for the family.

 

The whole situation is a tragedy.  I hope that this could be avoided in the future when we all can understand more about transgendered individuals, and they can understand about themselves early on, and possibly avoid hurting children in the process.  Please know that, as a viewer, I also watch to understand things a little better and if I didn't know what I know already, I would feel like I did not understand transgender any better than before the show.  Information can assist us all in being able to understand things a little more and change the level of compassion and empathy among all people.  Thank you for this show.

 

Kayla, if you take anything from this show, please know that your children are hurting.  You cannot change what has been done, but I feel that if you were a little more approachable and less offended by your children's understandable anger, they may be open to hearing why this change was so important to you.  It will take time.  They are hurt because you went ahead without really making it okay with them first, and really gave them no choices, and then took their beloved father away.  Please honour your children by understanding their anger, sadness and disappointment.  If your family recieves support and if you are empathetic to your children (sorry, I do not believe they need to be empathetic to you during their grieving process at the loss of their father) I believe healing might be possible.  Best wishes.

 
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April 29, 2008, 2:47 pm PDT

the 'victim'?

Watching the older daughter lash out at her father just completely pisses me off.

She's giving huge attitude to her father, and though I'm sure it's unbelievably hard to have your father go through a transformation, why can't she think of HIM???

He's still her 'father'... He's not dead. He still cares! He just wasn't born the right gender.

and by the way , not everyone sobs when they are upset! So attacking him because he's 'stone faced', that's not a fair judgement, a psychologist should know this!!

I'd be defensive too, if I sat there and was bombed by my 'daughters' sass.

 

 

 
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April 29, 2008, 2:51 pm PDT

TRANSGENDERS ARE NOT HOMOS

WHAT PEOPLE NEED TO UNDERSTAND HERE IS

THIS IS NOT I REPEAT NOT HOMOSEXUALITY

THIS PERSON WAS BORN LITERALLY WITH THE

WRONG PARTS.PSYCHOLOGICALY THE PERSON

KAYLA IF YOU WILL IS A WOMAN AND GOT STUCK IN

THIS MALE BODY AND PEOPLE DO NOT UNDERSTAND

A HOMOSEXUAL AND A TRANSEXUAL ARE TWO TOTALLY

DIFFERENT TH INGS AND I AM A HETEROSEXUAL FEMALE

BUT I DO GET IT

 
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April 29, 2008, 2:51 pm PDT

Girls Need to grow up

  I am so angered by the way those girls are being so selfish about there Dad, And how Dr.Phil is agreeing with them. I am a big fan of Dr.Phil but I couldn't disagree more with him about today's show.  Okay, So there dad changed to a woman, So what.  At least you still have a father, He may not be a man anymore but Kayla is still there for them.  I don't even have a dad!

 

  Those girls need to stop being so selfish and playing the cry card and try to step into Kayla's shoes and see what she is feeling and how hard it must be for her.  How would you feel if it was you who had lived your whole life as someone your not.  Kayla even said herself she is happier as a person but not with how her life is with her family. And yes, Both parties need to make an effort to contact one another and try to work on things.  Okay so things will never be the same and there has to be some adjustment but they also have to make an effort in accepting Kayla's choice and understanding about the whole thing.  Stop whining about it and asking for her to change back to a male, That's selfish. And stop worrying about what other people will think, Who cares, All that matters is family and that you are there for one anther in a time of need, No matter what.  If we all lived our lives fearing what others might think or say than we would all be hermits.  Girls grow up and Dr.Phil, Look at both sides before passing judement, Shame on you.

 
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April 29, 2008, 2:52 pm PDT

04/29 Daddy Dramas

     Dr. Phil, I like your show, but I was very dissapointed in your mannerism toward this father and the issue of transgender people.  You usually offer some insiteful suggestion or professional help. I saw none of that today.  What, is Makayla not worthy. I am the ex wife of a transgender male and we have four well adjusted supportive children for their father. Sure they don't call him dad, they don't won't to call attention to the fact that their father is now a woman in public. They are respecting her decision. They love their father no matter what he looks like on the outside. We are teaching our children to be understanding of 'all'people. To follow their hearts and to be true to themselves. This was not a choice for my ex, but we thank god everyday that she was strong enough to risk losing everything in order to save her self. She was hurting so much that she thought about taking her life, thinking we were better off without her...  the kids would have missed out on so much love from her.. Our children know they are loved by both 'parents'  Please, if you don't understand, educate yourself...
 
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April 29, 2008, 2:53 pm PDT

Disappointed

I have never written in, but was at the computer and thought I had to speak up. I am so very disappointed at the missed opportunity Dr Phil and this entire family, and audience had. Transgender folks are real, they are a part of our society, they are people we love, work with, socialize with, and as time goes on, you will come to know moreand more. 

People TALK of how tolerant they are. How they are Not prejudice. How they raise their children to respect and treat all others equally....Oh, but apparently that only stands true if the person is Not someone who will directly effect their life...People are ranting on here about the fathers' distance and lack of emotion... Try this: Sit in a quiet room, close your eyes, spend 10 minutes truly imagining being there, in that position with this situation, under the microscope, being judged, and then told by your own children that they dispise the sight of you.  After likely years of agonizing, never feeling able to be your true self, he comes out and has all fears confirmed and is truly and totally rejected. Worse than that he is now accused of being nothing more than a selfish scum who cared nothing of his family. How do you think you would react?..well, considering I'm sure you wouldn't even give up 10 minutes to try the exercise I'm sure you can't come up with an honest answer...Well, I'll tell you, that is NOT what I saw. I saw a man who was trying desperately not to lose ground. He most likely has been working hard on learning to accept himself...and dare I say even to be proud of who he really is. working thru therapy, support groups, anyone who will help. Don't you always hear people tell others "you should Never be ashamed of who you are!"  "Being different is what makes the world great!" and the like.. Well in just this 1 hour, all of this progress, work, learning to accept and move forward with true identity was now all being threatened. And not just by ignorant strangers, but by his own children, And Dr Phil..Not to mention the audience who cheered at every dig.

I Certainly understand the childrens confusion, anger, and needing to move THROUGH the grieving process. However, validating that their unwillingness to accept him now, does nothing more than vindicate their feelings of prejudice. 

Is it easier to have a non transgender parent?..sure. Can they wish it was 'Someone else's parent?...sure. But THEN after all that wishing, they need to move thru it all, to where they can reach Acceptance. This can be, and Has been done before with many families. They have come thru to the other side better off than they started at times. More families will go thru this again and again as time goes on with more folks 'coming out'...

Just becasue a situation is very different from the 'norms' that one is used to and grown comfortable with, it doesn't give everyone license to preach judgement. Rather in Needs to be an opportunity to look inward at how we Ourselves respond to differences and what each of our own responsibilities are to aid bridging the gaps.  By encouraging these children to look at their own father with disdain and disgust because he doesn't look like their old dad or like many other dad's...you yourself have become part of the problem.

Realize that mistakes a transgender parent makes in parenting may simply be Parenting Mistakes...it's even possible that the person isn't a good parent.. (altho I am not saying that in any way, its only for a point) It is much more likely that the mistakes are related to poor parenting skills..the same ones that all of us run the risk of failing at one time or another with our kids...The mistakes aren't caused by transgenderism.

And no I am not transgendered. I just hope to Truly teach my children tolerance. I hope you can say the same.

 
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April 29, 2008, 2:54 pm PDT

04/29 Daddy Dramas

Quote From: gabriellita

Well unless you are in the situation of been a transgender, you can't understand how it feels like and therefore you can always add critisism to this former "father". I am a transgender myself and  im very proud of who i became. i think these daughters are reacting very hard against their "father". I dont think he is only thinking of himself only. He wouldnt be in the program if he only cared about himself only. Its a matter of transforming his previous life into something he probably always felt for, but never had the strenght to do it all the way. Of course its a terrible desicion for girls to accept. Been a transgender is nothing easy and obviously some lifestyle we choose, its in our genes, that "normal" people cant uderstand and by going to a therapist a getting medicin for will not help . We try to achieve a normal life by going through all these changes that even need  surgical help, at least in my case. Its a very lonely world but if you dont think about your own happiness, nobody else would do it for you, and i wished their daugther could give him the support he needs.

 

Hi gabriellita,

 

Thank you for your honest response.  I agree with you that for all of us "normal people" who do not understand or who are dead set against it, it is difficult for us to know what it is like.  I am one of the ones who do not understand it, I will be honest and admit that, however I respect all people.  I do not understand it and hope that one day I will, if it's possible, but I have no problem with any transgender/transexual (or other) individual.

 

I personally feel this is like any other type of hatred or discrimination and I feel that it should no longer be tolerated.  All people deserve to feel safe and respected.  That is the most important thing I have ever taught my children and is my personal motto.

 

Thank you for sharing.

 
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April 29, 2008, 2:54 pm PDT

04/29 Daddy Dramas

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Maybe you should read up on your information about transgender people because obviously you are living under a rock.  People really are born with the thoughts of a female and a body of a male.  People are born with all kids of deforms but some people like you like to believe that this option just can't be possible.
You are making a judgement out of ignorance
 
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