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(Original Air Date: 04/29/08) Christina, 21, and her younger sister, Carlie, 13, say they had a close relationship with their father, Michael, until two years ago when he decided to transition to a female. Michael was a police officer, soldier and loving parent who lived his life as a male for 40 years. Now, he wants his daughters to call him Mom, because he says Dad is gone, but they refuse. Michael, who prefers to be called Kayla, says she wants to explain to her daughters why she's living as a woman, but they've never given her the chance. The last time Christina saw her father was two years ago when he showed up at her work in lace and blue jeans to break the news that he's transgendered. When she sees Kayla onstage, does she greet her with open arms? Next, Carlie joins her sister and father. She says she wants her old dad back, but will she feel the same after seeing Kayla? Can the father-daughter bond be turned into a mother-daughter one? Be prepared for an emotional journey as two daughters  struggle to understand how someone they say loved so much could hurt them so badly. Talk about the show here.

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April 29, 2008, 1:01 pm PDT

Dr. Phil is WAY off on this one ...

I see someone who is stuffing his/her feelings sitting there ... not any type of normal "I don't care attitude".  The girls were the ones being offensive ... like they had been told that this was wrong ... coached to look and sound hurt ... I'm sure there is probably some pain there for them (at least the younger one) but there was also a lot of pain coming from their father - and he/she looked like the stoic police officer trying to be strong for his little girls.  And his older daughter was just cruel and vicious and it looked like the younger one was having similar feelings pushed on them.  WOW!  I don't know how long it's been since I've thought that Dr. P was so way off the mark!
 
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April 29, 2008, 1:03 pm PDT

family therapy needed!

I feel for Kayla in that it seems that accepting her own gender-identity is probably been a painful and difficult process and that maybe she has had difficulty being there for her kids when she has been trying to figure out who she really is. At the same time it is clear that these kids have a lot of feelings about what is happening that they really need to express. It seems to me that they all need to attend family therapy together so that they can understand what Kayla has and is going through and so Kayla can do the same. The biggest problem seems to be that they have not communicated at all about this happening and that Kayla needs to realize that this is very confusing for the kids as well. I have no idea what it would be like to go through a gender transition but I am close to some people who have gone through it and I know it has been very difficult and they have had to figure things out as they go along. I think if they could all talk openly about their feelings it would help but I also think that ultimately the girls will need to accept that their father is now Kayla and see if they can forge a new relationship together. I think Dr. Phil should have stood up for Kayla a little more and tried to explain to the daughters the difficult process this has been for her and not just criticized Kayla. No wonder she didn't want to open up on national television when there didn't seem to be an advocate there for her. Also, what about the mothers of these kids? Have they thought about putting them into individual therapy? That would benefit all of them I think.
 
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April 29, 2008, 1:03 pm PDT

This show did NOTHING to help this family

I guess I'm confused as to why this family came on the show?  If they came on to get some help, they didn't get any.  Watching this episode today, I really REALLY wanted to give them my advice.  I was thinking Dr. Phil would help, but nope...I was very disappointed. 

 

This family is going through something very emotional and confusing.  Don't you think it would have benefited this family to have Dr. Phil explain to them that they need to communicate with each other?!?  If people would learn to just talk to each other, there would be no need for all of this drama...I guess Dr. Phil wouldn't have a show if he taught people about simple communication.  I feel for the daughters not having their "father" in their lives.  I feel for the father going through this huge transformation and I'm very happy for him that he has finally gotten the courage to live his life the way he the feels that he needs to live it.  I just think that he didn't do a very good job of sitting down and talking to his daughters and letting them know what he is going through.  Simply put...JUST TALK TO EACH OTHER!!! 

 
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April 29, 2008, 1:05 pm PDT

Dr. Phil's bias?

 My 14yr old daughter and I are very upset with these children and especially the "iota" of disgust that Dr. Phil has passed on to Kayla. True, Kayla made this choice and Kayla's children have made theirs. Luckily Kayla was not in an accident and disfigured, that may have been disgusting, too- how could you, Dr. Phil, pass judgement on the physically apparent emotional reaction of a former military trained person when these children say how disgusting Kayla is? Kayla cannot reach out to hold them - they would be repulsed because this human being made choices to better and support the true self. Kayla respected the boundaries they had set in place. Kayla was separated from the family long before this far reaching, soul searching choice.

And by the way, to the Mom of Carlie - it is not "my" child support... it is for Carlie. Kayla's business has changed, so may the amount/percentage Kayla is required to add to her support.

Kayla, may you feel comfortable in yourself. Family is what is created in the heart. Let your heart be open to the voice of Truth.


 
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April 29, 2008, 1:06 pm PDT

Dr Phil is wrong

You are so wrong Dr Phil on this one.   Who are you to say that just because he "caused" a change, he is responsible to make it right.  You are delusioned by these two nice girls.  Yes, I feel sorry for them but they are giving him an ultimatum to change back and you are agreeing with them.

He seems to want a relationship, he just has a strange way of showing it, and who do you think you are to judge the way somebody chooses to respond.  Know I realize why I have not tuned in lately too much, you act like you know everything sometimes and you can be very judgemental.

You are wrong.

 
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April 29, 2008, 1:08 pm PDT

Girls need as much help as dad

      These two girls will only accept dad as a man, they need to be open to the life he has chosen. the oldest girl stated that he could not be in the military, he could not be a cop, so she knew that something was off. They need to be open to understanding him as much as he needs to understand how they feel. Dad is still there inside it is just the packaging that has changed. Dr. Phil you were too hard on Dad and did not address the walls the girls put up.
 
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April 29, 2008, 1:10 pm PDT

04/29 Daddy Dramas

Quote From: mimaof2brats1

come on girls grow up let your father go on with his life with or without you its his choice

and dad how can you do this to your daughters ???? you were a police officer for crying out loud dont you have any self respect for yourself??? have you always been like this ???? why wait this long ?? why didnt you do this along time ago before you got married or had children why make them suffer

i think you took the cowards way out  shame on you

What a stunning display of ignorance. As she said, "Do you think I just woke up one day and decided this would be fun?" If her decision was the cowards way out, then tell me, what were the other options? For many with GID, the only other option is to not live. Would that have been more noble to you? Kayla obviously loves her children. Trans people often wait this long BECAUSE of their children. The other reasons include fear, denial, or lack of courage to be who they know  they are. As a male to female transexual, I can tell you that our friends and family are ALL we think about, most of the time.   Do you really think we don't think about all of this? That we don't agonise over it? Don't cry our hearts out? Don't postpone because of the hurt we know will result? Do you??? People do get hurt when someone transitions. It is for the most part, unavoidable. And for the most part, as I watch this program, I don't think too many in the audience, and certainly not her daughters or the host, are really listening to her. 3 times, the  host has made a clever comment, leading to audience applause. This issue is more complicated than that. She is hurting, and would love to have her daughters back.

 

I do not agree with Kayla's decision to go ahead at the expense of the financial upkeep of her family. In order to transition, your financial obligations must be addressed first. Not every TS is perfect and makes the right decisions. But if you look at the applause lines in this show, it isnt about that. It's about marginalizing this person, and making every part of her decision look selfish, not just her questionable financial priorities. I understand the daughter's hurt, the younger one especially. But the older one has made it clear that despite her age and intelligence level, she is NEVER going to try to understand what has happened. Every time one of these girls makes a quip about not wanting  a "chick" for a father, and the audience breaks out in applause, I cringe. This is an effectively subtle way of putting this person constantly on the defensive. I realise there is a gender expert there, albeit one I have never heard of, but where is Kayla's therapist? Was she/he invited? Not one thing Kayla has said  durring this show has been met with any positivity or compassion.

 

Dr. Phil's assumption that he can read her every emotion is troubling. What is she to do? break down crying? beg? Perhaps she has, and cannot do it again, and be rebuffed. There is a history here that we will never know every detail of. I am not saying this person has handled every problem and hurt feeling well, I suspect that she has not, at times. But all I'm hearing from her daughters, is "you should not have done this. you need to be a man again". Absolutely no attempt to understand this issue. And again, whenever they say this, the audience cheers.

 

As transexuals, most of us have travelled a long and rocky road to get where we are. It is not our intent to make anyone uncomfortable, or  to hurt our loved ones. That breaks our hearts. I know as I go forward, the prospect of hurting some loved ones, and losing some friends is breaking mine to pieces.  To transition, and be me is not a choice I have. How I handle it is certainly within my power, and I hope I find the strength and sensitivity to move forward responsibley.  But in my opinion, we are still viewed as selfish jerks and borderline freaks for needing to be who we are. The way this show was handled, for the most part, confirms that for me. Kayla has made some mistakes, but didnt deserve to be on the wrong end of every assumption durring this hour. We still have a long way to go, obviously.

 

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April 29, 2008, 1:11 pm PDT

04/29 Daddy Dramas

Quote From: wardjunefan

In my opinion, you are born the sex you are to be born with because that is the way nature intended! People like this, also my opinion, are just practicing a perversion. I can't print what I would do to my father if he did this. I feel for his daughters. If you girls do end up reading this, he is the one missing out, not you. Gee, I wonder what his brothers on the police force think of him.

I totally agree with you 100%!!!!

 

 
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April 29, 2008, 1:11 pm PDT

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What about the relationship between him and her (older daughter)  for the first 18 years?

I mean this guys exwife supposedly posted on here and says hes crazy as is, so maybe its underlying issues not just the whole Trans thing.
but yeah, as I said earlier, if my only issue with my dad was that he wanted to live his life as a woman...i'd be good lol
Someone asking another person to stifle their personality for to save them from embarassment..thats pretty much the definition of selfishness, right? This makes me so freakin angry.
 
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April 29, 2008, 1:12 pm PDT

give the dad a break!

Dr.Phil-

I usually agree w/ you, but give this guy a break!!!!!!!!!!!!  He admitted he's handled things wrong. I think he carried himself very well and was not as defensive as most people would be in that circumstance! How many abusive remarks can you take before you stop apologizing?

If my dad went through this change........ yes, it would affect me, but I would understand that he has been through a lot of pain himself.

The eldest girl said she wanted him to physically go back to being her dad. Would she really accept him then?

Yes, he made some bad choices, but come on... he's probably from a small, conservative town where this was not acceptable at the time he began suppressing his true desires. I am sure he was taught his thoughts were wrong, immoral, and abnormal. Obviously, his children think this transition is wrong and "gross" no matter who you are.

I am glad he's finally living his life the way he wants. If people kept shutting me out, I'd probably stop trying to communicate also.

Yes, he's behind $1400 in child support. That doesn't seem like a huge debt, and I believe him when he says he will pay it.

One day his daughter(s) will realize the pain he has gone through and will hopefully develop a more open mind.

If it was my father, I'd let him walk me down the aisle (if he wanted to) regardless. If he didn't want to (because of the stares and attitudes of others) , I would respect that, but I would still want him there.

Sorry to the daughters for what they've gone through, but like your dad said, 'he did the best he knew how.'

He's not perfect, but to say he's dead to you.........probably because your embarrassed.

Do some research and learn about his own struggles.

 
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