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Created on : Friday, April 25, 2008, 03:00:17 pm
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(Original Air Date: 04/29/08) Christina, 21, and her younger sister, Carlie, 13, say they had a close relationship with their father, Michael, until two years ago when he decided to transition to a female. Michael was a police officer, soldier and loving parent who lived his life as a male for 40 years. Now, he wants his daughters to call him Mom, because he says Dad is gone, but they refuse. Michael, who prefers to be called Kayla, says she wants to explain to her daughters why she's living as a woman, but they've never given her the chance. The last time Christina saw her father was two years ago when he showed up at her work in lace and blue jeans to break the news that he's transgendered. When she sees Kayla onstage, does she greet her with open arms? Next, Carlie joins her sister and father. She says she wants her old dad back, but will she feel the same after seeing Kayla? Can the father-daughter bond be turned into a mother-daughter one? Be prepared for an emotional journey as two daughters  struggle to understand how someone they say loved so much could hurt them so badly. Talk about the show here.

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April 29, 2008, 1:14 pm PDT

04/29 Daddy Dramas

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I cannot believe how rude and selfish these two girls are. The father wants to be in their lives and because she won't do it as a male, they want none of it! Disgusting!!! The father is even saying that he understands that it must be hard, but they could care less! AND when asked what she can do to prove she cares - all the say is CHILD SUPPORT!?!?! Give me a break - that is out of the mother's mouth!

 

Those girls need to wake up and stop being so hurtful!

That "father" had no business having children if he felt he wanted to be a woman.  He's the one who was very selfish!!!
 
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April 29, 2008, 1:15 pm PDT

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 No matter how much I hear about this, I do not think it's normal. I can't imagine what the children of this MAN are going through. Life in general and especially school years are extremely hard to get through as it is and I feel sorry for the children of any person who does this changing.

 

I believe HE is thinking only of HIMSELF and I just don't get it and never will agree with it.

 
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April 29, 2008, 1:16 pm PDT

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Dr. Phil brought up and interesting questrion, Why did you get married in the first place.

Well let me tell you, As long as we have the society that we have who are so ignorant and uneducated and will not educate themselves or those in there families, we will always have men and women who will get married out of pressure.

I have been married twice and have a son from both marriages. At 50, i was tired of being a pretender and came out of the closet. Thankfully, my sons were accepting and happy that for once in my life i was being myself. My exwife ask one question, "Are you happy", i said yes, she said then that's all that matters. I do not regret getting married or have children, but if society were more accepting, i would never have gotten married, i would have came out when i first realized that i was gay. Anyone that wants to know about what it's like to be gay or transexual and in the closet. Sit down and ask yourself what it would be like if you were one or the other. Then go down the line and ask yourself how your family would feel when you told them, your friends, your co-workers etc. Then and only then will you understand what we go through and why we make the decisions that we do, not because we want to, but because we have no other choice. I understand that these two girls are upset as they should be, but they should also have compassion for the man that was once their Dad and try and understand and accept him for who he is and be happy that he has finally been true to himself and can finally live life as the person that he always knew he was. He mioght be a woman now, but his love for his children has never and will never end.

 
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April 29, 2008, 1:17 pm PDT

Dr. Phil ease up on Kayla

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These children are being selfish. All their lives their father worked hard to provide for them and see to their every need. The very LEAST they can do to return all the love and devotion he gave them as a father figure is to accept him the way he has always accepted them--their quirks, their youthful indescretions--and love him no matter what.

It's not like gender changes aren't mainstream now. Thousands of people have made this change. It's time we all stop being selfish in what WE want, and start realizing that life doesn't revolve around each one of us... it just revolves, and we need to accept change when it happens. Why throw away a loving parent just because we have to look at them differently, and call him by MOM instead of DAD? The heart is still the same, and so is the love for the family.

Time to grow up.

I completely agree with the above respondent. These children need some professional counseling to understand and deal with their father's change to being a woman. The girls need help to mourn the loss of "the ideal father" they have in their minds, and find in their hearts a way to make a new relationship with Kayla. It could be much worse if Kayla had taken a different route to ending her torment, which thankfully she has not.

 

Even more important, I think Dr. Phil should have been more understanding of Kayla's position. She too needs help, which I did not hear Dr. Phil offer, as he usually does. What would be better - that Kayla continues to dress as a man and perhaps fall into severe depression and/or harm herself? This is sadly too often the case with gender identity issues. Then the children would not have Kayla as a parent at all. The audience was also quick to judge Kayla - but one needs to find and love themself before they can love others. Kayla has not committed any crimes, and the Dr. Phil and the audience should not have been so hard on her.

 

I have experienced a gender change in my own family. Its a very difficult life to lead prior to the transition and afterwards. The family members all need love and support. It is important to be open minded and accepting of others. Kayla, best wishes, and do try and reach out to your daughters and help them find their way back to you.

 

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April 29, 2008, 1:18 pm PDT

04/29 Daddy Dramas

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i honestly am disgusted at how these girls are treating their father. they have NO idea how it was for this man to live his whole life feeling as though he was in the wrong body.

the younger daughter seems to be being persuaded by her older sister that this is wrong and to hate her father. the older daughter needs to relax, quit her snide remarks and try her hardest to understand how hard her fathers life has been.

if anything, these girls should look at their father as an inspiration, and they should feel happy know somebody that has undergone such a serious change in his life.

dr. phil seemed very rude to Michaela, he doesn't know either how it has been for them at home. this poor man (woman) has been dealing with this for a long time and is probably sick and tired of the remarks from his daughters. this man was in NO way rude to his daughters or anything, he just seems sick of their remarks.
I think that when a person is born one sex and his/her brain tells him/her that he/she is another sex,  that means that there is some kind of brain disorder!  Why don't these people ever think to try some serious counseling????
 
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April 29, 2008, 1:18 pm PDT

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these girls have no idea . it's all about hate . i am sure the ex's feel the same way . and there is nothing Kayla can do to change her children's minds . they will always feel the same way .

Kayla was in the military and a police officer so she know how to hold back her emotions it was not fair how she was treated .. inside i know she was falling apart

Just for the record i am also trans-gendered and my 3 children two girls and a son they LOVE and ACCEPT me for who i am . daddy never left he just looks a little different .

Kayla i wish you all the best i know this is not easy but you must be who you are ..God Bless you

hugs mj

 
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April 29, 2008, 1:18 pm PDT

Daddy Dramas

I THINK IF YOU ARE BORN A MALE OR FEMALE YOU SHOULD STAY THAT SEX.   yOU SHOULD NOT HAVE A SEX CHANGE OPERATION.  ESPECIALLY YOU SHOULDN'T BE USING CHILD SUPPORT MONEY FOR THAT OPERATION.  THAT MONEY IS FOR THE CHILD.........CLOTHING, HOUSING, FOOD ETC.  

IF YOU DO HAVE A SEX CHANGE OPERATION THE CHILDREN SHOULD NOT BE FORCED INTO LIKEING THAT PERSON.  EVERYONE IS INTITLED THEIR OWN OPINION. 

 

 

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April 29, 2008, 1:22 pm PDT

04/29 Daddy Dramas

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I'm really sorry to have to say what I'm about to say, but this is the most disgusting thing I've EVER watched!! You can call me prejudice or what ever you want. You can even say that I DON'T UNDERSTAND???  One thing I do understand is that his children NEVER asked for this to happen!! I think these people who do this is mentally unbalanced!!   Like I said, you can say what ever you want about what my opinion is, I DON'T CARE>>> There's definitely something wrong with people like this!!!   Even if I felt that I had to change my sexual nature to feel comfortable inside with myself, I wouldn't do it because of the decision I made a long time ago to bring children into the world!!!  Does he even KNOW what he's doing to his children. MAN get some professional help would ya??? I can't believe what I'm watching!!!  WOW!!!!!  I don't blame his children AT ALL!!! I would be SO DISGUSTED and embarrassed to say he was my father?? I would say he was killed in the line of duty or in the service. I would make up something!!!  I can't believe ANYONE would put their children in this type of situation. I would go to my grave not changing my sexuality to prevent my children from going through this!!!!!! HE'S CHOOSING HIS OWN HAPPINESS OVER HIS CHILDREN!!!!  COME ON MAN!!!!!!!!   GET A GRIP!!!!!     WELL I guess I'm ready for all the comments that are going to come my way about me not understanding and me being prejudice and that I've never felt this way so how would I know!!!!!  GO AHEAD,   try giving it to me. But let me tell you, it isn't going to work!!!!  I've ALWAYS felt this way. That these people need some SERIOUS PROFESSIONAL HELP!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! there's definitely something WRONG!!!!!!!
I TOTALLY AGREE WITH YOU 100%!!!!
 
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April 29, 2008, 1:22 pm PDT

Too bad you didn't learn compasion from Jesus

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   This goes to the beautiful, God-given children of this man, from someone who is now a mother herself, and knows personally what you are going through. I want you to know that you have every right to be hurt, disappointed, angry, infuriated, sad, traumatized and THIS WAS NOT YOUR FAULT. I spent too many self-destructive years mourning what was not my fault or that of 6 other family members. It is not your responsibility to figure "dad" out and you don't have to call him anything but "dad" or nothing at all.

Please take heart. My gay father told my sister not to refer him by "dad". He also took us to a drag show. She is still hurting 17 years later and our dad is still confused and angry as ever. She is lost. He will remain lost. Regardless, I want you to be comforted in the fact that you are not alone and YOU DO NOT HAVE TO ACCEPT, TOLERATE OR EVEN HONOR HIM. Unless someone has gone through this as we have, they will try and put the blame on the kids. Their is a kind of psychological incest that takes place, so I would keep him out of your life, at least for now. THIS IS NOT YOUR FAULT AND YOU DON'T HAVE TO LET HIM INTO YOUR LIFE, TRY AND FIGURE HIM OUT OR DO ANYTHING THAT YOU ARE EVEN SLIGHTLY UNCOMFORTABLE WITH. Underneath the anger and disgust is pure, anguishing sadness and disappointment. Too much counseling will keep you in emotional torture. I know. I've been there.  It's like a death when a parent does this, you see. It is worse than divorce or anything else in this world to be a girl, with a parent who likes the same sex you do, or who may want to hang around your boyfriends, and also enjoys wearing make-up. You CAN and HAVE EVERY RIGHT TO stay away from him and try not to listen to anyone who attempts to force their lifestyle on you. I will not allow my dad around my sons because I don't want my sons identifying with a culture that is wrong and distorted. I am praying for you girls. HIS CONFUSION IS YOUR DELUSION AND IT IS UNFAIR TO ASK A KID TO LIVE WITH IT, REGARDLESS IF THE PARENT WAS ONCE A GOOD DAD. Appreciate it, but you owe him nothing! Let go of that and try not to get caught up in expecting it again from him. HE IS LOST, AND YOU ARE ON YOUR WAY TO FINDING YOURSELF. THE BEST WAY TO DO THAT IS TO CUT UNHEALTHY PEOPLE OUT OF YOUR LIFE. Hold on to the memories you cherish and don't allow the culture to turn you from GOD, who remains the same, even when the culture changes. Turn away from what is bad for you, even if they are family. Know this, sweet, beautiful girls, GOD GIVES UNCONDITIONAL LOVE AND HE IS YOUR REAL FATHER. HE LOVES EVERY PART OF YOU AND WANTS YOU TO HEAL. HE loves your dad too, but unless dad gets the help he needs, he is toxic for you. He is a source of intense humiliation and shame when one does not know who SHE is yet. Protect yourself from that. Learn a way to know your identity away from your dad. Mine is in Jesus . Once your identity comes from being the DAUGHTER OF A KING, rather than a confused, sad, lost parent, your life will get easier. I feel your pain. There is deliverance.

 my healing did not come from 15 years in therapy, but from Jesus. I am praying for you and millions of others are praying for you, trust me. My dad hid in the military and the monastery and behind a family also. He is still not "available" to guide his sons as the blind can not lead the blind in straight relationships. What is done in darkness is always brought to light. Pray for your dad. Go where there is spiritual support because it is your spirit that is crushed and the tears express that. Anger is just a band-aid for wounds. I do not suggest going to PFLAG as it is not an appropriate venue for kids who come from this. Again, pray for your dad and each other. It is hard to hate someone you are praying for. When the scary images come into your mind, pray against it and know you are deeply loved by a very loving Divine God. Don't allow the fury to permeate into your physical and spiritual cells for too long or your emotional wounds will hurt your future and maybe that of your own children if that is in the future for you.  The trauma this induces on children is unbelievable, even adult children. I pray that you turn away from what does not serve your soul, even if it is a temporary (or permanent) turning from your dad. YOU AREN'T DOING ANYTHING WRONG BY BEING KIND TO YOURSELF. Here is a number to FOF. They have trained counselors who will even pray with you, guide you to the right resources and will respect your privacy. They know what is sacred. (719) 531-3400. We are praying for you.

You are the type of "christian" that makes me embarrassed to say that I am a Christian.  I believe that I am loved unconditionally by both my Father in Heaven and my gay father here on earth.  I don't understand how you can want to push your own fear on others, because that's what I hear in your closed and judgemental rant. 

 

If both sides on this show, the girls and their father Kayla can face their fear and reach out I think they stand a chance at a wonderful loving relationship.  But I'm afraid that the 21 year old is too far gone in judgement and needing to be right, the 13 year old could still find a loving relationship that just doesn't look like most father/daughter relationships. 

 

I know that I am blessed to have my Daddy Bruce and Father John who have been together for 17 years now.  Seeing my Dad happy is very important to me, and when he was able to accept himself and come out then we were able to have an honest relationship and grow our love and understanding.  Being true to yourself is the basis of any loving relationship.  And even if we may not like our parents behaviors at times, we are still commanded to love and honor them.  I felt that Kayla was trying to honor his daughters by giving them space - it might not have been the best way, but it was the best he knew.  I didn't see any honor in the older daughter.

 

Judge not lest you be judged.  Do unto others as you would have them do unto you.  And remember that we are human and make mistakes. 

 
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April 29, 2008, 1:25 pm PDT

04/29 Daddy Dramas

Quote From: diamondhead

I'm really sorry to have to say what I'm about to say, but this is the most disgusting thing I've EVER watched!! You can call me prejudice or what ever you want. You can even say that I DON'T UNDERSTAND???  One thing I do understand is that his children NEVER asked for this to happen!! I think these people who do this is mentally unbalanced!!   Like I said, you can say what ever you want about what my opinion is, I DON'T CARE>>> There's definitely something wrong with people like this!!!   Even if I felt that I had to change my sexual nature to feel comfortable inside with myself, I wouldn't do it because of the decision I made a long time ago to bring children into the world!!!  Does he even KNOW what he's doing to his children. MAN get some professional help would ya??? I can't believe what I'm watching!!!  WOW!!!!!  I don't blame his children AT ALL!!! I would be SO DISGUSTED and embarrassed to say he was my father?? I would say he was killed in the line of duty or in the service. I would make up something!!!  I can't believe ANYONE would put their children in this type of situation. I would go to my grave not changing my sexuality to prevent my children from going through this!!!!!! HE'S CHOOSING HIS OWN HAPPINESS OVER HIS CHILDREN!!!!  COME ON MAN!!!!!!!!   GET A GRIP!!!!!     WELL I guess I'm ready for all the comments that are going to come my way about me not understanding and me being prejudice and that I've never felt this way so how would I know!!!!!  GO AHEAD,   try giving it to me. But let me tell you, it isn't going to work!!!!  I've ALWAYS felt this way. That these people need some SERIOUS PROFESSIONAL HELP!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! there's definitely something WRONG!!!!!!!

I think you said eveything exactly right.

 
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