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Created on : Friday, April 25, 2008, 03:00:17 pm
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(Original Air Date: 04/29/08) Christina, 21, and her younger sister, Carlie, 13, say they had a close relationship with their father, Michael, until two years ago when he decided to transition to a female. Michael was a police officer, soldier and loving parent who lived his life as a male for 40 years. Now, he wants his daughters to call him Mom, because he says Dad is gone, but they refuse. Michael, who prefers to be called Kayla, says she wants to explain to her daughters why she's living as a woman, but they've never given her the chance. The last time Christina saw her father was two years ago when he showed up at her work in lace and blue jeans to break the news that he's transgendered. When she sees Kayla onstage, does she greet her with open arms? Next, Carlie joins her sister and father. She says she wants her old dad back, but will she feel the same after seeing Kayla? Can the father-daughter bond be turned into a mother-daughter one? Be prepared for an emotional journey as two daughters  struggle to understand how someone they say loved so much could hurt them so badly. Talk about the show here.

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April 29, 2008, 1:57 pm PDT

04/29 Daddy Dramas

 I don't agree with requesting the girls to call him dad (although I understand the reasoning for it in public) because him as a person will always exist, just in a different form.  And he said he was going to wait until both were older so I don't agree that he didn't wait for the youngest (but maybe he couldn't wait for whatever reason). 

But this problem is not just on him.  The eldest is certainly selfish and homophobic.  I can't believe she is concerned about her own butt being walked down the aisles because 1) she's asking him to be something he's not and it is an antiquated tradition to make him change for, and 2) there are women who actually DON'T have a father to walk them.  And bringing up his living expenses on hair and nails is ridiculous because her being behind on child support is completely unrelated to his "negligence" as a transgendered person.  What is the excuse for other people who don't pay child support?

She's homophobic when she called him "gross" and doesn't have any scope of reality.  She thinks that man parts equal male gender roles and has no idea that said gender roles are culturally constructed.  Even the younger one said she didn't want some "chick" and said it with a derogatory tone.  You can see the eldest's accustory looks and can hear in her tone that's she's completely selfish and full of it.  I wouldn't have reacted to her poem either because it sounds fabricated.  And afterwards she fabricates more "feel sorry for me" looks.  And let us not forget that the eldest is 21 years old.  Yes, parents are just that forever, but she's wanting him to be a dad as a minor would.  21 years old...seriously.  Dr. Phil isn't keeping things in balance like he said he's doing.  And I don't think their criticisms are completely legitimate like he says.  Yes, she's going about this relationship the wrong way but he was really making her out to be the one completely in the wrong.  And yet, I almost want to put a different kind of blame on the parents.  The blame that they failed to raise his kids to be independent, accepting, tolerant, and unselfish. 

This relationship is going to sit at a standstill.  Even if she comes back and initiates contact they won't accept him unless he is in a male form and he'd be right back where he started.  And she won't come back until they are completely ok with her change.


 
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April 29, 2008, 1:59 pm PDT

Dr. Phil how dare u

Ok Dr. phil i cant believe u sat there an made the father feel bad for being a woman. All u kept saying he is wrong for not being there for his children an there feelings, but yet the children  r rude an disrespect to there dad an u never defened the father on that issue. i cant understand how the father is the bad person here, when the children r doin the same thing the father is doing. Come Dr. Phil u can be alot better than that. The fater also is going thru hard times just like the kids but all i heard is how bad the father is. Well for the kids u need to love ur father no matter what he looks like an stop thinking how ur friends an neighbors r gonna think he is ur family start acting like one.

 

Final thought on u Dr. Phil how r u gonna put the father as the bad one. U need to focus more on makin that family whole again instead of belittling the father for the choice he made an whats seems to make him happy

 
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April 29, 2008, 1:59 pm PDT

POOR ME POOR ME POOR ME

That is how I felt Michael (Kayla) came across to me.  I feel there is nothing wrong with people who feel they are in the wrong body to change.  However this person did it all wrong.  Why didn't he just sit down and talk to both girls first to prepare them for what is going to happen.  Then wait until they understand what is going on and go to couseling first then go for the surgery.  He sat there with no emotion towards the girls and had this look on his face like they should get over it.  And when his oldest daughter read the poem the same again.  What he should have done was when they came on stage he should have gotten off his back side and gave them a hug and tell them he loves them.   And after hearing the poem hug them again.  Yes they would pull away but he is the adult and he could have hug them harder and I am sure it would have helped them through it.  

I want to tell the moms of these girls please whatever you do get them counseling.  If not this could ruin their future.  I am talking from experience.  Forty years ago our so call parent disowned us by telling us He was not our father, your father is dead, go to the cemetery and put a wreath on a grave and claim him as your father.   Because of this I almost ruined my marriage.  My husband paid dearly for the sins of this so called parent to the point where we almost got divorce.   And even just typing this is putting me into a rage.   My sister also is dealing with her own demons because of this.  As far as child support he skipped town when forced to pay.

Please get them the help to deal with this because when they get older they will have the fear in them wondering if their husband is going to do the same to them and their children.  Don't let them suffer for 40 years like we have.

I hope all works out for them.  If he doesn't see the light then get the help and have a happy life you deserve.

 

 
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April 29, 2008, 2:00 pm PDT

04/29 Daddy Dramas

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I just want to say that I think this guy who wants to transform himself into a female has got be crazzzzy I think this guy needs some counseling big time
Maybe you should read up on your information about transgender people because obviously you are living under a rock.  People really are born with the thoughts of a female and a body of a male.  People are born with all kids of deforms but some people like you like to believe that this option just can't be possible.
 
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April 29, 2008, 2:00 pm PDT

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I THINK IF YOU ARE BORN A MALE OR FEMALE YOU SHOULD STAY THAT SEX.   yOU SHOULD NOT HAVE A SEX CHANGE OPERATION.  ESPECIALLY YOU SHOULDN'T BE USING CHILD SUPPORT MONEY FOR THAT OPERATION.  THAT MONEY IS FOR THE CHILD.........CLOTHING, HOUSING, FOOD ETC.  

IF YOU DO HAVE A SEX CHANGE OPERATION THE CHILDREN SHOULD NOT BE FORCED INTO LIKEING THAT PERSON.  EVERYONE IS INTITLED THEIR OWN OPINION. 

 

You are living in the dark ages.....grow up and try to open your mind to the rest of the world out there..
 
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April 29, 2008, 2:02 pm PDT

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 No matter how much I hear about this, I do not think it's normal. I can't imagine what the children of this MAN are going through. Life in general and especially school years are extremely hard to get through as it is and I feel sorry for the children of any person who does this changing.

 

I believe HE is thinking only of HIMSELF and I just don't get it and never will agree with it.

Well unless you are in the situation of been a transgender, you can't understand how it feels like and therefore you can always add critisism to this former "father". I am a transgender myself and  im very proud of who i became. i think these daughters are reacting very hard against their "father". I dont think he is only thinking of himself only. He wouldnt be in the program if he only cared about himself only. Its a matter of transforming his previous life into something he probably always felt for, but never had the strenght to do it all the way. Of course its a terrible desicion for girls to accept. Been a transgender is nothing easy and obviously some lifestyle we choose, its in our genes, that "normal" people cant uderstand and by going to a therapist a getting medicin for will not help . We try to achieve a normal life by going through all these changes that even need  surgical help, at least in my case. Its a very lonely world but if you dont think about your own happiness, nobody else would do it for you, and i wished their daugther could give him the support he needs.

 

 
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April 29, 2008, 2:02 pm PDT

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What a stunning display of ignorance. As she said, "Do you think I just woke up one day and decided this would be fun?" If her decision was the cowards way out, then tell me, what were the other options? For many with GID, the only other option is to not live. Would that have been more noble to you? Kayla obviously loves her children. Trans people often wait this long BECAUSE of their children. The other reasons include fear, denial, or lack of courage to be who they know  they are. As a male to female transexual, I can tell you that our friends and family are ALL we think about, most of the time.   Do you really think we don't think about all of this? That we don't agonise over it? Don't cry our hearts out? Don't postpone because of the hurt we know will result? Do you??? People do get hurt when someone transitions. It is for the most part, unavoidable. And for the most part, as I watch this program, I don't think too many in the audience, and certainly not her daughters or the host, are really listening to her. 3 times, the  host has made a clever comment, leading to audience applause. This issue is more complicated than that. She is hurting, and would love to have her daughters back.

 

I do not agree with Kayla's decision to go ahead at the expense of the financial upkeep of her family. In order to transition, your financial obligations must be addressed first. Not every TS is perfect and makes the right decisions. But if you look at the applause lines in this show, it isnt about that. It's about marginalizing this person, and making every part of her decision look selfish, not just her questionable financial priorities. I understand the daughter's hurt, the younger one especially. But the older one has made it clear that despite her age and intelligence level, she is NEVER going to try to understand what has happened. Every time one of these girls makes a quip about not wanting  a "chick" for a father, and the audience breaks out in applause, I cringe. This is an effectively subtle way of putting this person constantly on the defensive. I realise there is a gender expert there, albeit one I have never heard of, but where is Kayla's therapist? Was she/he invited? Not one thing Kayla has said  durring this show has been met with any positivity or compassion.

 

Dr. Phil's assumption that he can read her every emotion is troubling. What is she to do? break down crying? beg? Perhaps she has, and cannot do it again, and be rebuffed. There is a history here that we will never know every detail of. I am not saying this person has handled every problem and hurt feeling well, I suspect that she has not, at times. But all I'm hearing from her daughters, is "you should not have done this. you need to be a man again". Absolutely no attempt to understand this issue. And again, whenever they say this, the audience cheers.

 

As transexuals, most of us have travelled a long and rocky road to get where we are. It is not our intent to make anyone uncomfortable, or  to hurt our loved ones. That breaks our hearts. I know as I go forward, the prospect of hurting some loved ones, and losing some friends is breaking mine to pieces.  To transition, and be me is not a choice I have. How I handle it is certainly within my power, and I hope I find the strength and sensitivity to move forward responsibley.  But in my opinion, we are still viewed as selfish jerks and borderline freaks for needing to be who we are. The way this show was handled, for the most part, confirms that for me. Kayla has made some mistakes, but didnt deserve to be on the wrong end of every assumption durring this hour. We still have a long way to go, obviously.

I was wondering why Kayla wasn't asked about or didn't mention, a therapist. Surely she has one. Maybe that's why everything is off kilter, maybe she doesn't have the best therapist that she should have. This is kind of a stand-off at this point. The daughters' side is very important and needs to be recognized and addressed. Kayla's side is very important and needs to be recognized and addressed. DrP DID tell Kayla that he had resources he could offer but he didn't go further to say exactly what they are and ask her if she would take the help. And I agree, Kayla should make more of an effort to at least pay the child support.

 

How and where can they start to heal this? I can understand how the girls feel. They just simply don't want thier dad to be a woman. Can they get  past this, and if so, what can be done to help them get past it? I feel that it is as if thier dad has died or is dying of  a terminal illness, in thier eyes. Will they need to go through a mourning process, as we have to do in the event of an actual death? What can Kayla do to mend the fence and try to get them to understand how she feels? They cannot be forced to accept this, they have to come to an understanding on thier own by some means.

 

Kayla IMO came off as wanting a relationship with her daughters , but only her HER terms and I don't think that's going to work, do you?

 

 
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April 29, 2008, 2:03 pm PDT

Al and it

I think the dad and Al the Child Molester from last week have several things in common.  They don't get it and they both have deep mental problems.  Neither showed any remorse or concern for the children. 
 
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April 29, 2008, 2:03 pm PDT

Dad Drama

I'm so sorry but Dr. Phil is too wrong about how those girls had legit reasons to critize their Dad.  From where I sat those girls made it very clear the onl y way they would be open to a relationship is if their dad remained a man and did exactly what they wanted.  I don't blame him/her for not showing emotion.  When you are THAT wounded by family its hard to feel again.  Trust me I know.  There is no poem my brother could write me that would make me feel after the way he treated me.  So I'm tired of all the critizing on the 'dad' part.  Those girls had hate in them... not for not having their 'dad' but for people who are transgendered.    I'm sure that father loves his 2 girls but sometimes you gotta make YOU happy before you can make other people happy.  I'd rather my dad be a woman and be happy than be a man and be miserable because he can't be my parent if he is miserable with who he is as a person.

WAKE UP DR. PHIL....  you were sooo judging!!!!!

 
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April 29, 2008, 2:05 pm PDT

Daddy Drama

This transgender person really needs to re evaluate why he feels like he needs to be a woman. Then he should take some classes on compassion and family. If he had female feelings wouldn't his female emotional instinct kick in. If he wants to be a woman then I think he needs to act like one and show some compassion towards his daughters. He is selfish and appears to want attention for his cause, not help in repairing his relationship with his daughters.

 
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