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(Original Air Date: 04/29/08) Christina, 21, and her younger sister, Carlie, 13, say they had a close relationship with their father, Michael, until two years ago when he decided to transition to a female. Michael was a police officer, soldier and loving parent who lived his life as a male for 40 years. Now, he wants his daughters to call him Mom, because he says Dad is gone, but they refuse. Michael, who prefers to be called Kayla, says she wants to explain to her daughters why she's living as a woman, but they've never given her the chance. The last time Christina saw her father was two years ago when he showed up at her work in lace and blue jeans to break the news that he's transgendered. When she sees Kayla onstage, does she greet her with open arms? Next, Carlie joins her sister and father. She says she wants her old dad back, but will she feel the same after seeing Kayla? Can the father-daughter bond be turned into a mother-daughter one? Be prepared for an emotional journey as two daughters  struggle to understand how someone they say loved so much could hurt them so badly. Talk about the show here.

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April 30, 2008, 1:02 pm PDT

04/29 Daddy Dramas

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I don't think the kids or the dad are bad people. They obviously love each other and that should be what counts! I'm sure it has to be a very confusing time for them all! They need counseling to help them through this...after all, they are still parent and children, regardless of the "shell" that the parent is in. If Dr. Phil was a "real psychologist" he would have focused on their love and went from there and not played the blame game!

Doctor Phil is a real psychologist, but like you he dropped the ball on this.

 

He should have asked Kayla if she would be willing not to wear make up, dress like a man etc. around his children. There should be some sort of compromise and not shades of black and white. That is what all therapist strive to do is to get the clients out of the all or nothing mentality that society has edicted.

 

Feeling are hurt all the way around they need to be acknowledged and then the rift needs to be mended.

 

Meeting in the middle of such emotional issues is the only way anyone can walk away with a sense of peace and not feeling like they were the victims.

 

 

 

 
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April 30, 2008, 1:32 pm PDT

No compassion

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I agree with  Dr. Phil in that none of the parties involved are handling this correctly, but that having been said, where's his compassion for  Dad? This isn't really a "choice" on his part and he's lived 40 years being something he's not. I know he's the adult in all of this, but these are new waters for him to charter, also, so I think Dr. Phil could have been a tad easier on him. It's hard enough being a dad when you have all the "working parts," not so easy when you've changed dramatically.

I do think the dad was 100% WRONG to show up at his daughter's place of work dressed as a woman. He knew his daughter was having problems and that was a HUGE insensitivity on his part.

This was totally 100 percent his choice to do this. That is such bull that he didnt have a choice. He could have chosen his daughters.  No matter what he does to his body he will still be a man.  He may change his outward appearance but he can never change what GOD made him.  He may turn himself into a woman but he will still just be a gay man living as a woman.

Why should DR Phil have shown him more compassion? Not once has he shown any compassion for his daughters. Not once did he shed one tear for the pain he has caused them. He has absolutely no compassion or sympathy for the greif his daughters feel.

I feel absolutely no compassion or sympathy for this person. He was first and foremost a dad, and that has to take presedence over what he wants or needs. When you make the choice to have children, their wants and needs should come into play before you do something that is going to tear their lives apart.

He is a typical male who wants what he wants and everyone else can just deal with it.

 
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April 30, 2008, 1:33 pm PDT

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Doctor Phil is a real psychologist, but like you he dropped the ball on this.

 

He should have asked Kayla if she would be willing not to wear make up, dress like a man etc. around his children. There should be some sort of compromise and not shades of black and white. That is what all therapist strive to do is to get the clients out of the all or nothing mentality that society has edicted.

 

Feeling are hurt all the way around they need to be acknowledged and then the rift needs to be mended.

 

Meeting in the middle of such emotional issues is the only way anyone can walk away with a sense of peace and not feeling like they were the victims.

 

 

 

Under the terms of HBS  which are what dictates the criteria for transition Kayla is not allowed to revert back to presenting as male. If she is in real life test and she does this she voids her test. She is required to live female for a period of 1 year minimum or she can't get the surgery
 
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April 30, 2008, 1:44 pm PDT

Sickening

Everybody keeps harping on "Where"s the compassion for the dad'?  Where was his compassion and consideration for his daughters? These are children he chose to have. I dont agree with the comments that he had no choice in the matter because he did have a choice. He chose to put himself before his children. I agree with Dr Phil when he told this man he was very selfish and inconsiderate.  He chose to put his daughters in this pain. Then he has the nerve to sit there and say he is a victim. That is such crap.

 

He can change his outward apperance but he cannot change what GOD made him. He will still be a man in a womans body. He will still be gay no matter how you look at it.

 

He made the wrong decision and he has caused his daughters a considerable amount of pain. Pain that he could take away but chooses not too.

 
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April 30, 2008, 1:49 pm PDT

04/29 Daddy Dramas

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The saddest thing about this message board is that the majority of the posts are from people who are removed from this type of situation and yet have soo many opinions. I saw many posts from people that criticized the daughters.  I am the daughter of a father that is going through a transition and I want you to know that before this was in my family I accepted transgendered people openly. The reality of it is: until it is your life you can never understand the degree of pain that we feel.  One day you have a "normal" life and the next day you see your life as a big lie and you feel parentless.  When this happens in a small city or town it is gossiped about and it makes you feel ashamed that you cannot have a normal family like everyone else.  In places like where I live we have never met a transgendered person before and the resources (couselling) are just not there to deal with this type of issue, trust me i've looked into it.  The reality is that we will never have normal lives. I will never be walked down the aisle by my father. It is not only the father that is lost but it is the pain of all of the lies leading up to the transition.  And afterwards the person that is transitioning becomes soo self-absorbed in becomming a new person that they ignore the pain of loved ones.  It truly is like mourning a parent, but at the same time you are forced with accepting a new person that you have never met before and probally have nothing in common with.  Some of the people have posted that the solution is communication.  The reality of it is that me and my father no longer know eachother, our relationship in my opinion was based on lies and we are very different people.  What could we possibly talk about?  Do you people realy think that talking about transitioning- loosing my father to become a woman is going to make me feel better about the situation?  NO! I do not want to talk about it, I want to have a normal family and I want my father back.  And because I know this is not possible I become depressed, resentful and ashamed.  This affects all areas of my life- my relationship with other family members and friends, my significant other, my schooling and jobs.  And so I think what needs to be discussed most is people like me, who live in smaller places and have limited resources and find it too hard to talk to people in their lives about it, due to shame: where do they turn to for help?  Dr. Phil says counselling will be provided to the people that appear on the show, but what is a person suppose to do that is watching the show, when there are no cousellors available that are familiar with this issue where they live?  That is the truly heartwrenching part.  The part that is most important and was left unanswered. 

The saddest thing about this message board is that the majority of the posts are from people who are removed from this type of situation and yet have soo many opinions. I saw many posts from people that criticized the daughters.  I am the daughter of a father that is going through a transition and I want you to know that before this was in my family I accepted transgendered people openly. The reality of it is: until it is your life you can never understand the degree of pain that we feel. 

 

 

I agree completely. These people suggest that our feelings are wrong, that we should just "accept" this new person into our lives. I posted my story several pages back. The reality is, is that our father is gone, and there is this new person in our lives with whom we cannot relate to. It takes several years to even come to a place where a superficial relationship can be started. Good luck in your quest to find a good therapist.

 
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April 30, 2008, 2:01 pm PDT

Leave God Out of It

So he should stay as God made him, huh? So every person born with a deformity should stay that way because that is the way "God" made them? No surgical remedies for a hole in the heart or and extra limb?
Who are you to say that this isn't a birth defect? Male and female embryos are indistinguishable from one another for months into gestation. A dose of testosterone from the mother to the child in utero decides if testes or ovaries are formed. What if something goes wrong in that delicate process? The mind of the child feels like it is one gender while the body goes another direction. Why can't that be corrected surgically like any other birth defect?? Who are you to say what this man or any other transgenered person feels or experiences. How incredibly presumtive and insensitive! I cannot imagine how people like you think they got so smart. I wonder what God would say to people like you. I think probably "Love thy neighbor" or "Judge not lest ye be judged" or "worry about the log in your eye rather than the speck in your neighbor's" or maybe even a simple "mind your own business."
 
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April 30, 2008, 2:08 pm PDT

04/29 Daddy Dramas

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Doctor Phil is a real psychologist, but like you he dropped the ball on this.

 

He should have asked Kayla if she would be willing not to wear make up, dress like a man etc. around his children. There should be some sort of compromise and not shades of black and white. That is what all therapist strive to do is to get the clients out of the all or nothing mentality that society has edicted.

 

Feeling are hurt all the way around they need to be acknowledged and then the rift needs to be mended.

 

Meeting in the middle of such emotional issues is the only way anyone can walk away with a sense of peace and not feeling like they were the victims.

 

 

 

i dont think it would be no more fare to ask kayla to dress like a man after he gets the job done,then it would be to ask there mom to dress up like a man after he leaves from a visit, im sure all this is going to take a lot to get use to for them to see him dressed like a woman ,but after all after he gets-er done, wont he in fact be a woman, with all the rite plumbing i would think so, what you say here is like asking a apple tree to give you oranges while you are looking at it,
 
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April 30, 2008, 2:11 pm PDT

Well Said

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I agree with  Dr. Phil in that none of the parties involved are handling this correctly, but that having been said, where's his compassion for  Dad? This isn't really a "choice" on his part and he's lived 40 years being something he's not. I know he's the adult in all of this, but these are new waters for him to charter, also, so I think Dr. Phil could have been a tad easier on him. It's hard enough being a dad when you have all the "working parts," not so easy when you've changed dramatically.

I do think the dad was 100% WRONG to show up at his daughter's place of work dressed as a woman. He knew his daughter was having problems and that was a HUGE insensitivity on his part.
I agree with you. The dad was insensitive to show up at work dressed as a woman and could have handled other things better. However none of us have been in his shoes and to judge him as harshly as he was judged by Dr. Phil and the audience was unnecessary. The oldest daughter was not understanding at all, in fact I found her comments cruel and her eyes wicked. She blantantly said the only way he could have a relationship with her is to go back to being a man.  How completely cold can you be? I don't blame him for not running to her a scooping her up in a hug.
 
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April 30, 2008, 2:17 pm PDT

Left With Many Questions for Dr. Phil

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maybe i would want tobe her or him go all the way  i often get called a princess by my friends they say i would make a prettyprincess and they wouldnt hesitate to date me or marry me i didnt think i was that cute or pretty !!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! thanks leah waldron
Did the mothers of these two girls ever think to take the girls for therapy?  This must be so hard for them to understand let alone accept.  As for the "Dad", how unbearable must his life have been these past 40 years?  I don't expect that you, Dr. Phil, would tell him to ignore the feelings that he has had and go on pretending that you fit in to life.  You preach that you have to acknowlege the problem before you can fix it.  I don't understand what other avenue "Dad" could have taken.  The daughters have only an antagonistic attitude toward this situation.  I'm sure "Dad" wanted to keep his relationship with his daughters, but I am also pretty sure the girls wanted nothing to do with him because he had now become, "gross, sick and disgusting".   You never did, Dr. Phil, explain how else he could have handled it.  You just talked around it, for the sake of the girls, I am sure.  But, "Dad" obviously has issues that need to be helped. 
 
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April 30, 2008, 2:18 pm PDT

your a tool!

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So he should stay as God made him, huh? So every person born with a deformity should stay that way because that is the way "God" made them? No surgical remedies for a hole in the heart or and extra limb?
Who are you to say that this isn't a birth defect? Male and female embryos are indistinguishable from one another for months into gestation. A dose of testosterone from the mother to the child in utero decides if testes or ovaries are formed. What if something goes wrong in that delicate process? The mind of the child feels like it is one gender while the body goes another direction. Why can't that be corrected surgically like any other birth defect?? Who are you to say what this man or any other transgenered person feels or experiences. How incredibly presumtive and insensitive! I cannot imagine how people like you think they got so smart. I wonder what God would say to people like you. I think probably "Love thy neighbor" or "Judge not lest ye be judged" or "worry about the log in your eye rather than the speck in your neighbor's" or maybe even a simple "mind your own business."
haha umm so your trying to say that they were born this way?

if he was born that way then he wouldnt of had kids, if he truley was meant to be a women then he should of became a women before he had two gorgous daughters. Atleast I know I would of been smart enough to do so.

Why would you have children knowing that yo uwould some day make this change, and not only that call you kid up on her 12th birthday and say call me mommy or aunt Mickala?

That is so wrong so wrong. I do not beleive that someone is born this way, I just dont its obserd. You may not be a christian thats totally fine, but I know that god would not allow such stupid act.


 
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