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Created on : Friday, April 25, 2008, 03:00:17 pm
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(Original Air Date: 04/29/08) Christina, 21, and her younger sister, Carlie, 13, say they had a close relationship with their father, Michael, until two years ago when he decided to transition to a female. Michael was a police officer, soldier and loving parent who lived his life as a male for 40 years. Now, he wants his daughters to call him Mom, because he says Dad is gone, but they refuse. Michael, who prefers to be called Kayla, says she wants to explain to her daughters why she's living as a woman, but they've never given her the chance. The last time Christina saw her father was two years ago when he showed up at her work in lace and blue jeans to break the news that he's transgendered. When she sees Kayla onstage, does she greet her with open arms? Next, Carlie joins her sister and father. She says she wants her old dad back, but will she feel the same after seeing Kayla? Can the father-daughter bond be turned into a mother-daughter one? Be prepared for an emotional journey as two daughters  struggle to understand how someone they say loved so much could hurt them so badly. Talk about the show here.

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April 30, 2008, 5:17 pm PDT

Child Support

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These children are being selfish. All their lives their father worked hard to provide for them and see to their every need. The very LEAST they can do to return all the love and devotion he gave them as a father figure is to accept him the way he has always accepted them--their quirks, their youthful indescretions--and love him no matter what.

It's not like gender changes aren't mainstream now. Thousands of people have made this change. It's time we all stop being selfish in what WE want, and start realizing that life doesn't revolve around each one of us... it just revolves, and we need to accept change when it happens. Why throw away a loving parent just because we have to look at them differently, and call him by MOM instead of DAD? The heart is still the same, and so is the love for the family.

Time to grow up.

Maybe he did agonize over this. But I have three (3) questions.

 

1. Did he seek counseling before making this decision?

 

2. And if he has so much love for his children, why is he not paying child support for the 13 year old?

 

3. What about tuition for the 21 year old, if she wants to attend college.

 

You may be able to escape your gender, but not your resposibilities!

 
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April 30, 2008, 5:21 pm PDT

04/29 Daddy Dramas

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The saddest thing about this message board is that the majority of the posts are from people who are removed from this type of situation and yet have soo many opinions. I saw many posts from people that criticized the daughters.  I am the daughter of a father that is going through a transition and I want you to know that before this was in my family I accepted transgendered people openly. The reality of it is: until it is your life you can never understand the degree of pain that we feel. 

 

 

I agree completely. These people suggest that our feelings are wrong, that we should just "accept" this new person into our lives. I posted my story several pages back. The reality is, is that our father is gone, and there is this new person in our lives with whom we cannot relate to. It takes several years to even come to a place where a superficial relationship can be started. Good luck in your quest to find a good therapist.

Sarah,

I am so sorry that you have had to go through this.  Please know that there is someone here who cares and is going to find that story of yours a few pages back so that I can be informed a little more than I am right now.  Your story probably has heartbreak in it.  I am sorry for that as well.  Your feelings are validated.  Christina feels like Kayla has murdered her father, Michael.  She has to learn how to forgive Kayla for that and then she may be able to look at Kayla differently.  Thank you for sharing.

 
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April 30, 2008, 5:27 pm PDT

04/29 Daddy Dramas

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Maybe he did agonize over this. But I have three (3) questions.

 

1. Did he seek counseling before making this decision?

 

2. And if he has so much love for his children, why is he not paying child support for the 13 year old?

 

3. What about tuition for the 21 year old, if she wants to attend college.

 

You may be able to escape your gender, but not your resposibilities!

In order to go through the medical transition process of becoming a woman a person is required to have a certain number of hours with a professional counselor.  So the answer to the first question is yes.

 

 

I do not agree with the way the girls and the child support have been handled, so I have nothing to add about the last questions.

 
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April 30, 2008, 5:37 pm PDT

04/29 Daddy Dramas

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Maybe he did agonize over this. But I have three (3) questions.

 

1. Did he seek counseling before making this decision?

 

2. And if he has so much love for his children, why is he not paying child support for the 13 year old?

 

3. What about tuition for the 21 year old, if she wants to attend college.

 

You may be able to escape your gender, but not your resposibilities!

I have the answers to your questions.

 

1.  No

 

2.Because his extra money goes to hormonal treatments

 

3.  No help for the 21 yr old or the 18 yr old that are both in college.

 

Neither Michael or Kayla wants to contribute towards college.  When his kids turn 18 yo, he is done.

 
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April 30, 2008, 5:45 pm PDT

some answers

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Maybe he did agonize over this. But I have three (3) questions.

 

1. Did he seek counseling before making this decision?

 

2. And if he has so much love for his children, why is he not paying child support for the 13 year old?

 

3. What about tuition for the 21 year old, if she wants to attend college.

 

You may be able to escape your gender, but not your resposibilities!

1. Kayla admitted she hadn't gone about it in the proper way at the beginning of the show. (why isn't    anyone asking what the Mothers did for their daughters to help with the transition?)

 

2. Kayla only owes $1,400. That is not a big accumulation even worth mentioning let alone implying no love because of it.

 

3. I didn't hear the oldest girl say she had a job, so I don't know if she's saving for college or not. (Since when do parents have to pay for college for their adult children?)

 

I believe without a doubt that Kayla is still agonizing. Where is the empathy people??

 
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April 30, 2008, 5:50 pm PDT

04/29 Daddy Dramas

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Ugly Humans.

You can dress a pig in Sunday clothing, but a pig is a pig is a pig...
And one does not need the benefit of a PhD in Psychology to be able to reflect on one's behavior, and the consequences of one's actions.

I have known people with gender issues, but I don't think that is the real story here.

I could not help but notice that Michael was extreemly posey in all of his photographs... massively in love with himself.

In his uniform he always had a Tony Curtis-esque pout-mouth, a CHARACATURE of a Female... not the real deal.

I am guessing that his/her real issues are more along the lines of addiction, rather than soul searching what his real nature is.,,
Thus the URGENCY to have his cake and eat it yesterday.

He is also massivly self centered.
That is why he gave his daughter the death of her father for her Birthday.

This guy is a real piece of work.

And as a real woman... and a mother
Coler me offended.
As a human being, color me love.
 
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April 30, 2008, 5:56 pm PDT

blah blah blah blah blah

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I guess we must be lying then when we tell you that you need professional help to do this. You need to fit a clinical diagnosis to need this.

 

Society would rather tell us to just accept ourselves even after decades of suffering with it. Society would teach us to transition is selfish and wrong. Soceity also tells us that suicide is a selfish option.

 

So how long does the suffering continue?  How is it not cruel to tell someone suffering with something since the earliest stages of childhood that they are wrong and it doesn't exist, it's just a choice?

 

Anyone know about klinefelter's syndrome? How about androgen sensitivity syndrome?  Hermaphrodites?  How about the fact that all these issue exist in nature as we know it?

 

 

The core problem with this show is that Dr Phil did nothing but create more pain and more questions. He should have had specialists on explaining why this happens so people can understand it.

 

Kayle has most certainly made some serious mistakes in her transition. But to pass judgement and state that is is selfish to transition is surely a death sentence for someone dealing with this disorder. I know, I've been there.

 

Kayla should be paying child support and Kayla should be helping her kids with counseling and support. She should not have to go back living a lie because some closeminded people in society seem to know more than the Dr's who treat us ....

 

 

Ya I know>>>theres a professional name for everything. And a diagnosis. Like drunks aren't responsible for drinking>>>it's a diesese and all the other excuses there are for people who just want to do what they want to do. MMMM  I wonder if theres a diagnosis for bullys who push kids around in school?? Thats probally a disorder too. maybe they will have a pill on the market for it soon. Theres pills for everything out there today. Every single problem out there has a diagnosis RIGHT!!!!  Just throw a title on it and you have a diagnosis.  BLAH BLAH BLAH BLAH BLAH   who in their right mind would want to read about your syndromes???   Theres a syndrome for everything. OH ya I was raised in an alcoholic home. So there must be a syndrome for that too. BLAH BLAH BLAH BLAH BLAH!!!! 
 
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April 30, 2008, 6:04 pm PDT

What??

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Did some of you even watch this show?!

 

He is not asking them to call him Mom.  He told them that they can call him by his new name, they can call him "Aunt", they can call him whatever they are comfortable with.....except "Dad".

 

His children don't want to call him anything.  They want nothing to do with this man, who, by their OWN ADMISSION  was a good father, a role model, and their best friend! 

 

The 21y/o has serious issues, and definitely needs some therapy.  She should not be allowed around the younger daughter until she can keep her negative opinions to herself.  She can certainly choose to have her own opinions about her father, but for her to express them to an impressionable 13y/o is unacceptable.  In my view, the younger daughter needs her parent, and has an opportunity to renew her relationship with that parent, provided that no one is sabotaging that possibility with snarky comments and disdain.  All she's worried about is who's going to walk her down the aisle!  Why CAN'T it be her father, in his new form?  If she truly loves him, it shouldn't be a problem.  And if that's her biggest worry, she's years away from being mature enough to get married anyway.  Marriage doesn't allow it to be about ME ME ME....to make a marriage work, you have to be able to think about and provide for the needs of someone other than yourself.

 

The 13y/o needs help as well, with a qualified therapist who has dealt with some of these issues before.  She needs to understand the pain that her father suffered for so many years in order to give her the dad she needed.  She needs to understand that he can still be there for her in the same ways he was before. 

 

As I said in another post, this man did not handle the situation well.  But his older daughter is making things worse, and Dr Phil should have addressed that.  This man was being defensive because Dr Phil was attacking him because he didn't cry and was allowing him to be attacked by an adult child that he had raised, in front of an impressionable younger daughter!  How is THAT going to help anything?  They need positive intervention and guidance before this poor 13y/o loses any chance she may have had to have a reasonably good relationship with her second parent.

If you had watched the complete show you would have heard the daughter say he called her on the phone and said for her to call him "mommy". When she refused her told her to call him "aunt"

 

By the way, is this the 'new' psychology where you change your life and expect every one to change with you, when parents change their modus operandus, and then expect their children to go along. Parents shoud be role models for their children, not vice versa.

 

That's right those children who knew this person as their dad all their lives are so selfish for not accepting 'her' because he/she decided to become someone they knew nothing about. Come on now let's just blame the little brats for all this mess. America has a sickness and it's called "the hell with the children".

 

But I guess that this is the 'new' America, where if you are not accepted for your choices, then the kids can just go to hell. By the way how many children do you have?

 
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April 30, 2008, 6:11 pm PDT

Not Hurting anyone??

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 I have always wondered why people have such a problem with issues such as this? The children act as if she did this to them, to punish them for something.....did anyone else get that, or is it just me?  This is her life, and if she is happy, and not ACTUALLY hurting anyone else, than let her be!! If that were my father, who had a sex change, I would love them no matter what....as I expect he would love me if I professed myself to be homosexual!! I can't fathom how hard this was, for Kayla (sp?) to come on national TV and basically out herself to anyone who didn't already know. Hopefully she is comfortable enough with herself in this matter? Do the children think of that? Of course not, it's all about them....I am a single parent of 3 wonderful children, ages 12 (f), 6 (m), and 8mo (f).....if any of them were to, later in life tell me they were going to go through this, I would be behind them 100%....no matter what, because that is what UNCONDITIONAL LOVE is all about!!

How about the fact that he does not pay child support? Isn't that hurting the youngest child?

How about showing up at the oldest daughter's place of employment unannounced dressed as a woman? I wonder how you would feel if your dad did that!

 
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April 30, 2008, 6:15 pm PDT

04/29 Daddy Dramas

Quote From: exrices

How about the fact that he does not pay child support? Isn't that hurting the youngest child?

How about showing up at the oldest daughter's place of employment unannounced dressed as a woman? I wonder how you would feel if your dad did that!

Um...last I checked, people with out gender issues can also not pay child support. That isn't inherently part of people with a gender issue.

Same with attention grabbing.
 
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