Topic : 08/04 Daddy Drama

How can you say that it is their mother who told them anything??  You can't make that assumption.  You say MAYBE he/she learned but you don't say maybe when you talk about the "kids".  Where are you getting your information from??  What other way can you show hurt??  You can always see it in their eyes.  Did you check out the eyes??

The breast tissue grown by hormone treatments is natural and the same as a gender born females.  My understanding is that if progesterone is added to the supplement then yes lactation is possible.

You're welcome... Though I do have a problem with you calling her "Micheal" and "him/he" still. Whatever her mistakes, I think her wishes to be addressed as she/her and Kayla should be honored. The issue is so deep and complex. Those 'minor' insensitivities are hurtful to the entire TG communtiy, not just Kayla.

 

But by all means - call her Kayla then lay into her behavior and lack of responsibility as a parent! Got for it. Sounds like it is well deserved!

 

 BTW - I know I referred to her as 'he' in reference to the father-of-the-year comment, but only for clarity's sake. It is hard to say father and then she in the same sentence without feeling grammatically incorrect. My apologies.

I feel that Dr. Phil, although non-judgemental, was very one sided with his views.  Not once on the show did Dr. Phil indicate that there would need to be acceptance on the part of the daughters if they were to have any type of relationship with their father.  At one point when the oldest daughter turned and smiled at Dr. Phil supported her comment,  it was very clear that the girls were justing wanting their perspective validated by Dr. Phi and.validating their perspective does not do these girls any justice. Labeling this life experience as either good or bad is also not the answer.  The situation is as it is and had Dr. Phil  addressed this issue with them, it would have been viewed as not so one sided.  As for the father, lack of apparent "emotion" is not an accurate indicator of heartfelt feelings. I feel that the responsibility for the relationship between father and daughter (the 21 yr old) is a 2 way street.  It is not the sole responsibility of the father because there comes a time in your life as a parent that you relinquish your "role" as parent and move to a more equal human being "role'. 

There is no point in going over what should have or could have taken place on the part of everyone involved, what the issue to be dealt with now is-how does this family reconcile and continue from this moment on, not from the past.  This show left everyone hanging with no clear goals or aims accomplished which made is seem like "What was the point of this show?"  

 

from sydcor@telus.net

I see this person as a partialy changed man,he has a womens body now but not a womens mind.

he will never have a mothers heart and how can he remain a father now.

he does not want to be a father anyway.so the children are the ones who have to accept this change.

their father is gone....

after they have grieved for him they should get on with their lives knowing that

their daddy will never be with them again.

the grief is probably a lot like the pain of devorce.

I cant imagine how much pain he must have knowing his choice cost him his girls.

is it less pain than the one he lived with all his life???? 

 I apologize I am not trying to intentionally be insensitvive to Kayla by calling her "Micheal" and "him/he". After knowing someone for years it is hard to change habits sometimes. By all means I will do better in the future regarding that matter. I in no way would want to offend or hurt anyone in the TG community. I know that this is a very sensitive matter. I do apologize to anyone in the TG community that might have taken offense to that.

thank you thank you thank you, maybe everyone should read this!

 

It is really big of you to apologize. I (and probably everyone else) understood that you have always known Kayla as a man. It is an easy mistake to make. I just wanted to bring it to your attention. Your reaction is impressive. Thank you.

      I think that it should place the child's needs more than its own.

 

     I hate to be completely blunt, but if you are born male or female. I am afraid that is exactly what you are regardless how you look, act, or feel.
    In situations, a person is born with both. It's commonly known as a he/she.

 

     Then again, I generally catch the last 45 minutes of shows since I have prior commitments. Maybe Mike/Kayla is a he/she by birth and decided to try reversing the decision, which means not only isn't he supporting his children emotionally, financially, and a sense of comfortable surroundings. I would say that the change was inevitably a selfish act on his/her part. I would also state that it borders on the old saying, "what you couldn't cut it as a man, do you really think; you will cut it as a woman?" Morale of the story be who you were born to be. It's basically suicide without a corpse to bury.

It? Could you show anymore disrespect for a fellow human being?

If you miss the first parts of shows you can read the transcript for them. No, Kayla was physically born a male. She felt early on that she was really a female inside a male body. Kayla is not a perfect person. And like any situation there is more to the story than a simple social/political point. Kayla has issues, Kayla needs to step up and be a better parent, Kayla needs to give the empathy she expects. However, that doesn't change the fact that inherently, changing from one sex to the other will hurt people. If done in a careful and caring way trauma, confusion and dealing with intolerance can be dealt with in a healthy way.

This is not an example of that.

This is not a story about the only a sex change. This is a story about a person who is having family problems and gender identity disorder is PART of that story.

I think that "selfishness" is ok when it comes to the very core of a persons happiness. If I grew up and later realized one of my parents was miserable pretending to be the Cleaver's I would fee awful.

Yes, parents should put their kids before themselves...TO A DEGREE. But reality must be weighed...these girls didn't have to be this hurt over this and Kayla could have gone about it differently.

If a person is living a lie it's basically walking dead, with no spirit to give anyone.