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(Original Air Date: 04/29/08) Christina, 21, and her younger sister, Carlie, 13, say they had a close relationship with their father, Michael, until two years ago when he decided to transition to a female. Michael was a police officer, soldier and loving parent who lived his life as a male for 40 years. Now, he wants his daughters to call him Mom, because he says Dad is gone, but they refuse. Michael, who prefers to be called Kayla, says she wants to explain to her daughters why she's living as a woman, but they've never given her the chance. The last time Christina saw her father was two years ago when he showed up at her work in lace and blue jeans to break the news that he's transgendered. When she sees Kayla onstage, does she greet her with open arms? Next, Carlie joins her sister and father. She says she wants her old dad back, but will she feel the same after seeing Kayla? Can the father-daughter bond be turned into a mother-daughter one? Be prepared for an emotional journey as two daughters  struggle to understand how someone they say loved so much could hurt them so badly. Talk about the show here.

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May 5, 2008, 2:21 pm PDT

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Not to mention paying child support would cost a LOT LESS MONEY than everything else he's doing...so, that theory is out the window.

Costs no insurance

 

Estrogen- $50 month

Spirolactone- $27.50 month

Counselor 2 appoint per month (could be cheaper for low incomes)

2 Dr's apoint $300

blood tests every 6 month $500 for 2

Group therapy $40 a session (not required)

Laser hair removal $275 a session every 6 weeks

 

Barring the group therapy one years costs approx without insurance is $6330 for the first year. This cost drops as you need less hair removal.

 

There are the lesser costs like the cost of changing your clothes over, cosmetics, name change documents etc that arent added in.

 

Kayla is approx $1500 behind in child support. It makes no sense to fake it to avoid paying what someone said was $50 a week given not only the cost but the personal issue ..

 

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May 5, 2008, 4:48 pm PDT

Really?

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      Yes, I have researched this topic, and I've picked the side that supports my opinion.

 

LOL! That is just astonishing!

     Now, we're on an ego trip, and I must add that you're inevitably rapidly adding in an emotional standing even though I do agree; emotion is not a credible resource but thanks anyhow.
 

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May 5, 2008, 6:52 pm PDT

That's in a more understandable fashion, thanks Karym

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Costs no insurance

 

Estrogen- $50 month

Spirolactone- $27.50 month

Counselor 2 appoint per month (could be cheaper for low incomes)

2 Dr's apoint $300

blood tests every 6 month $500 for 2

Group therapy $40 a session (not required)

Laser hair removal $275 a session every 6 weeks

 

Barring the group therapy one years costs approx without insurance is $6330 for the first year. This cost drops as you need less hair removal.

 

There are the lesser costs like the cost of changing your clothes over, cosmetics, name change documents etc that arent added in.

 

Kayla is approx $1500 behind in child support. It makes no sense to fake it to avoid paying what someone said was $50 a week given not only the cost but the personal issue ..

         Definitely better than estimates. Again, thanks Karym.

 

         I've gone as far as I can go in trying to explain why the connection of emotional issue would be better avoided. I'd reccommend checking out Opposing Viewpoints at this point. I'll be amazed if your hair doesn't stand on end. Mine did, and I think that you can agree. I'm not on the same side on this issue.

 

         Karym, I consider you a leading authority since you've went through a similar situation. If you were divorced, ruled to pay child support. Are there laws setup for the situation? From what I can tell from reading, nope. You are however a bit of an authority on the topic.

 

        I'm not sure if you've decided to ignore the question or simply over looked it. I really am highly interested in explaining the offense from earlier. If you want to ignore the question, this is the last I'll ask. Either way, I'll keep closer eye on my grammer use within that matter.

 
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May 5, 2008, 8:16 pm PDT

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         Definitely better than estimates. Again, thanks Karym.

 

         I've gone as far as I can go in trying to explain why the connection of emotional issue would be better avoided. I'd reccommend checking out Opposing Viewpoints at this point. I'll be amazed if your hair doesn't stand on end. Mine did, and I think that you can agree. I'm not on the same side on this issue.

 

         Karym, I consider you a leading authority since you've went through a similar situation. If you were divorced, ruled to pay child support. Are there laws setup for the situation? From what I can tell from reading, nope. You are however a bit of an authority on the topic.

 

        I'm not sure if you've decided to ignore the question or simply over looked it. I really am highly interested in explaining the offense from earlier. If you want to ignore the question, this is the last I'll ask. Either way, I'll keep closer eye on my grammer use within that matter.

I never intend to ignore questions so if I had I apologize. There's so much information flying back and forth that it gets tough when you have a point to make that is one of a possible handful in the thread. I assume you're talking about the "he/she" comment.

 

I think I understood the context and I only point those things out because people of inter-sexed conditions do view certain words as slurs. The word "tranny" for instance conjures up negative stereotypes that really don't fit. After reading what you were trying to convey I honestly don't think it was done with intended malice.

 

While I don't consider myself an authority by any means I can relate things to my own circumstance and at times lay out answers that I do have experience in. Hence the monetary breakdown. Even for me some of my transition has been absorbed by my insurance and it is still and expensive process. I've spent close to $3000 in just facial hair removal by laser alone. Transition is not an easy path and this is one of the reasons it tends to rub me when people call it a choice without ever walking the path.  

 

When i get chance I'll sit and do some research on the "opposing viewpoints". At times that can be a tough pill for me to swallow because I see such a change in the quality of my life in just a few short years. I'm seeing my own dysphoria slip away one day at a time now and I'm finally finding a sense of inner peace.

 

To answer your legal questions, I'm not well versed in law but I know of a few issues. First of all I find it hard to believe that any judge would remove child support responsibilities from a "biological" parent. In some instances I'm aware of heterosexual couples that have either married and took care of their spouses children or been lied too and found out that the child was not theirs. The judge still implemented child support based on past intent in the relationship even though the children weren't theirs.

 

As far as trans people go there have been cases either way with other issues. The law varies so much just state to state that it really depends on local laws. There was a case I read of not long ago where the marriage was nullified because the person had been born biological male and married as a female. In that case IIRC it was over insurance money in the death of a spouse. In another case a couple got divorced and the husband tried to invalidate the marriage due to the wife a  trans-woman being born biological male to prevent alimony. The case went in favor of the wife and she was awarded the spousal support.

 

The point is that the law will only be relative to where you live and how it is interpreted by a judge.

 

 

 
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May 6, 2008, 2:58 am PDT

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      A slogan is an advertisement to appeal dominantly to younger generations. A standard is a way of life taught from birth. It's really apples and oranges since a way of life is nothing like being taught to take it away or preserve it. The essence of war.
Your original message was something to the tune of "be who you're born to be". I say that's comparable to the Army's "be all that you can be". I make as much sense as you, you just simply refuse to accept that there are some people who are born one gender and don't feel comfortable being that gender. I still say we'd all join the Army, according to you.
 
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May 6, 2008, 5:53 am PDT

His life

Some years ago I had a friend whose father had a sex change, and that man's children were supportive. If my father made this choice, I'd support him fully.

 

It's Kayla's life, and she's entitled to live it as she sees fit. If the children don't like it, then that's their problem. Every person in our society is entitled to happiness; it's no one else's place to decide how a person is going to live.

 

Also, there seemed to be too much emphasis from the exes about "child support." For them it seems to be all about the money. Big surprise there.

 

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May 6, 2008, 8:25 am PDT

Your situation is close enough to have authority

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I never intend to ignore questions so if I had I apologize. There's so much information flying back and forth that it gets tough when you have a point to make that is one of a possible handful in the thread. I assume you're talking about the "he/she" comment.

 

I think I understood the context and I only point those things out because people of inter-sexed conditions do view certain words as slurs. The word "tranny" for instance conjures up negative stereotypes that really don't fit. After reading what you were trying to convey I honestly don't think it was done with intended malice.

 

While I don't consider myself an authority by any means I can relate things to my own circumstance and at times lay out answers that I do have experience in. Hence the monetary breakdown. Even for me some of my transition has been absorbed by my insurance and it is still and expensive process. I've spent close to $3000 in just facial hair removal by laser alone. Transition is not an easy path and this is one of the reasons it tends to rub me when people call it a choice without ever walking the path.  

 

When i get chance I'll sit and do some research on the "opposing viewpoints". At times that can be a tough pill for me to swallow because I see such a change in the quality of my life in just a few short years. I'm seeing my own dysphoria slip away one day at a time now and I'm finally finding a sense of inner peace.

 

To answer your legal questions, I'm not well versed in law but I know of a few issues. First of all I find it hard to believe that any judge would remove child support responsibilities from a "biological" parent. In some instances I'm aware of heterosexual couples that have either married and took care of their spouses children or been lied too and found out that the child was not theirs. The judge still implemented child support based on past intent in the relationship even though the children weren't theirs.

 

As far as trans people go there have been cases either way with other issues. The law varies so much just state to state that it really depends on local laws. There was a case I read of not long ago where the marriage was nullified because the person had been born biological male and married as a female. In that case IIRC it was over insurance money in the death of a spouse. In another case a couple got divorced and the husband tried to invalidate the marriage due to the wife a  trans-woman being born biological male to prevent alimony. The case went in favor of the wife and she was awarded the spousal support.

 

The point is that the law will only be relative to where you live and how it is interpreted by a judge.

 

 

      Yes. I definitely understand tranny being a slur. I appreciate that you noticed. I forget the proper name for the / mark in this case, but it eliminates the and/or like instead of he and she/he or she like the apostrophe in cannot for can't, do not for don't.

       Fair warning, if you think the conclusions, I've come to are a bit extreme; you're not going to like the conclusions from some of those articles. I think that you'll find; I'm really quite tame in comparison.

       There are times when a judge doesn't enforce the child support. I'd define that as the same thing without a public announcement of a decision. I know a family that fell into this category. But, the judge did eventually rule in favor of the father due to a mental defect.

       Yeah, that worries me because every time a judge makes a decision depending on the judge in another can make decisions from a past precedant.

 

         (Thanks for the apology, but I don't think that you have anything to apologize for. And, thank you for clearing the he/she up a bit for me. I'll keep my eye on the word use that way it's evident that it's he and she or he or she and not written as a slur in intent.)

 

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May 6, 2008, 8:39 am PDT

Ok

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Your original message was something to the tune of "be who you're born to be". I say that's comparable to the Army's "be all that you can be". I make as much sense as you, you just simply refuse to accept that there are some people who are born one gender and don't feel comfortable being that gender. I still say we'd all join the Army, according to you.

        I can tolerate your position. Can you tolerate mine?

 
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May 6, 2008, 10:29 am PDT

Child Support

Quote From: karynm8621

Costs no insurance

 

Estrogen- $50 month

Spirolactone- $27.50 month

Counselor 2 appoint per month (could be cheaper for low incomes)

2 Dr's apoint $300

blood tests every 6 month $500 for 2

Group therapy $40 a session (not required)

Laser hair removal $275 a session every 6 weeks

 

Barring the group therapy one years costs approx without insurance is $6330 for the first year. This cost drops as you need less hair removal.

 

There are the lesser costs like the cost of changing your clothes over, cosmetics, name change documents etc that arent added in.

 

Kayla is approx $1500 behind in child support. It makes no sense to fake it to avoid paying what someone said was $50 a week given not only the cost but the personal issue ..

I was Mike's wife and I remember the first thing he would do was take out money for child support. He loved spending time with his kids and I thought he was a great father. I can't believe how he has changed! He was selfish to a point when I was with him when it came to me. This just makes my head spin!

 
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May 6, 2008, 10:43 am PDT

BE ANGRY AT HIM!

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come on girls grow up let your father go on with his life with or without you its his choice

and dad how can you do this to your daughters ???? you were a police officer for crying out loud dont you have any self respect for yourself??? have you always been like this ???? why wait this long ?? why didnt you do this along time ago before you got married or had children why make them suffer

i think you took the cowards way out  shame on you

I think he is a sick man and needs help! the youngest daughter hasn't grown up yet! If God wanted him to be a woman he would be. God doesn't make mistakes!
 
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