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(Original Air Date: 04/29/08) Christina, 21, and her younger sister, Carlie, 13, say they had a close relationship with their father, Michael, until two years ago when he decided to transition to a female. Michael was a police officer, soldier and loving parent who lived his life as a male for 40 years. Now, he wants his daughters to call him Mom, because he says Dad is gone, but they refuse. Michael, who prefers to be called Kayla, says she wants to explain to her daughters why she's living as a woman, but they've never given her the chance. The last time Christina saw her father was two years ago when he showed up at her work in lace and blue jeans to break the news that he's transgendered. When she sees Kayla onstage, does she greet her with open arms? Next, Carlie joins her sister and father. She says she wants her old dad back, but will she feel the same after seeing Kayla? Can the father-daughter bond be turned into a mother-daughter one? Be prepared for an emotional journey as two daughters  struggle to understand how someone they say loved so much could hurt them so badly. Talk about the show here.

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August 4, 2008, 12:40 pm PDT

08/04 Daddy Drama

The daughters are young, but at age 21 I think the older one could begin to have some empathy for her father's situation.  I hope they all get into therapy--separately and perhaps eventually together.  The father hasn't handled the situation well at all, but to think that he could go back to living as a man to make his daughters happy is crazy.  I also think Dr. Phil has a particularly snippy tone to his voice today as well.  The older daughter's anger is manifested in a very ugly self-centered sarcastic way.
 
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August 4, 2008, 12:41 pm PDT

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Quote From: mimaof2brats1

come on girls grow up let your father go on with his life with or without you its his choice

and dad how can you do this to your daughters ???? you were a police officer for crying out loud dont you have any self respect for yourself??? have you always been like this ???? why wait this long ?? why didnt you do this along time ago before you got married or had children why make them suffer

i think you took the cowards way out  shame on you

I think this is absolutely ridiculous. I think that they should help this man. It must be very hard to come to this realization and everyone is being very insensative. These girls are being very selfish and no one is helping them understand. This is the same thing as saying, well girls i need you to dress and become a boy because i wanted a boy. OK He should be paying child support, and he should be availiable to spend time with them. The older daughter is so judgmental. She is slinging accusations and how is he supposed to respond. This intolerance is ridiculous. Would people understnad better if they were like stop being gay cause you need to be my father... you need to be a man's man. I understand they are hurting, and he needs to be paying child support, but everyone needs to be insensative. This is who he is. I just find it completely appauling how he is being attacked when he is asking for help. This is who he is and it is wrong to tell hiim to be someone other than himself.
 
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August 4, 2008, 12:43 pm PDT

08/04 Daddy Drama

Quote From: fabrat

You're not going to get any sympathy here and you know that. God made you who you were born as for a reason.
God made us more complex than that.  Who are you to think you know what God intended?
 
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August 4, 2008, 12:45 pm PDT

Not that it matters.............

   Not that it matters but this is my opinion on this matter. I feel that this particular father is wrong in what he has done. I feel that any father that does this is wrong. If you already know or suspect the feelings of being trans-gendered, then you should not marry and produce children. That is extremely unfair to them and they didn't sign on for this. They didn't ask to be born but yet, you made that decision for them. It was a conscious decision on your part. Look at the two girls here on the show today. Don't they look and sound like they are hurting? They are true victims in their fathers choices in life. They no longer have a father. And how dare he call himself a victim too? That is as selfish as it gets!

   As to the idea of men or women being trans-gendered? I have no problem with that and I feel that everyone should have a right to do what makes them happy as long as it doesn't hurt others. That's exactly why you should never have children, it hurts them deeply. If you want to do this, if you have no choice, then stay single until you decide what is right for you. Why is that so hard to do? I realize that this is not the same thing as being gay. But gay people shouldn't get married to the opposite sex either, just to try and hide their true feelings and desires. That destroys families also.

   It's fairly normal for a man or a woman to choose to not marry in todays society. So why bring this added burden into the mix. It has the potential to destroy other's lives and is not fair.Stay single, get a job, and save the money to do what you need to do, have the surgery. Then go ahead and get a job as the opposite sex. What is the big deal in that? As I said, I have no problem or judgments towards people in this situation at all. Whatever makes you happy is what counts. Just be sure and be responsible in your choices in life.

   And to the father on todays show. Not paying child support because he needs the money for his new look, medical bills, and future surgery, that is NO excuse! Shame on him! And concerning Dr. Phil's comments on the show, I feel that he was spot on and he has the exact same views that I do. He chose to have those two girls and his responsibility with child support and "paternal" duties did not end when he decided that it was now "his" time. And for this father to show up at his daughters job? Why did he have to humiliate her like that?

 

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August 4, 2008, 12:50 pm PDT

Moosh.

I Blame Society!

Maybe If People Were More Understanding About The Whole Change, Especially The Girls, They'd Still Have Their Father.

It Was The Label Of The Father They Probably Missed, Because If They Missed His/her's Personality, I doubt It's Changed.

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Only If The World Was Blind, There'd Be less Superficiality.

Then Again, The World would Probably Be On Fire..

Ouch. :)

 
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August 4, 2008, 12:50 pm PDT

Give the guy a break?

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Maybe this man didn't handle this in the best way, but what is the BEST WAY?  If he had informed his daughters beforehand, I doubt they would have been any more supportive.  Give the guy a break!  They've never walked in his shoes.
Are you kidding here? What was the best way to handle this? To not have children in the first place! Of course they shouldn't have to be supportive, they never asked for this and why is it so hard to understand that they actually might want a "normal" father like everyone else has! And yes, they have walked in his shoes, he's probably walked in theirs when they weren't looking. You expect empathy for this man, but where is the empathy for the girls here?
 
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August 4, 2008, 12:51 pm PDT

NO!

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How can anyone pass judgement on this man?  He was miserable for years, playing a role to enable him to fit into society.  He just wants to be happy and you can't blame him for that.  Come on, get off the guy's back.  I realize this was a shock to the daughters, but I'd think they would want their father to be happy.
No, they want their father to be a man!
 
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August 4, 2008, 12:55 pm PDT

I am angry............

I am supportive to people who have problems such as this but good grief, have some empathy for the children here! I am really angry over the support that this man is getting and how everyone thinks they should get off of his back. His supporters have deep sympathy and empathy for him but feel nothing for his daughters. That is a very selfish attitude and it makes me sick!
 

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August 4, 2008, 1:00 pm PDT

Reeeeplyy!

Quote From: systole

When people decide to have children, it is their choice, not that of the future child. Children do not just need parents until they leave school they need  them for life.

 

Adult children have problems too and often these problems are far worse than the problems they had as little children.  It is a wonderful feeling to know that one's parents still love one and still are there in the worst moments of their lives.

 

This father managed to live as a man for forty years.  What was so pressing that he had to turn his children's lives up side down at this point in his life?         I see it as the ultimate selfish act.  Could he not have done this discretely? He obviously does not live with them, or they would have seen this long ago.

 

I find it to be outrageous that he feels he can turn his back on them and ask them to treat him as someone completely different.  For what?  What is he trying to do?  What is he hoping for that they will love him how ever he behaves and looks?

 

He is the only father they have or will ever have, so he is robbing them of their father and expecting them to just be happy with his choice?  It is like expecting a child to come to terms with the death of their father.

 

It has been 26 yrs since my own father died.  I still miss him terribly and at the important times of my life and that of my children, I so would have wanted him to be there.

 

I think this father has not thought at all what this must be like for his daughters.  As their only father he had no right to rob them of their father and expect them to be pleased.  Will they come to terms with this?  Maybe!

 

But they will be robbed as I was of my father.  Something you learn to live with, over many years of grief.  But why do this to people you love?

 

Why put them through so much grief, if you have managed 40 years.  So he says he could not wait any longer, well at some point he accepted it, and he chose a macho job.  He could have worked as a hair dresser, and the idea of him changing could have come more slowly.  But to be a cop and then become a woman is really too much to expect them to take in.

 

His act will have a dramatic effect on what they see as the truth in life.  It will destroy their trust in anything.  They see one thing but what they see is not real.  How will they cope with this and come to terms with their whole life being made up of a lie. This could actually destroy them.  Has he even thought of this.  has he sought counseling to help him help them deal with this? I do not think so.

 

Lets say he stays on this path, and they go into the future with this amount of change and are unable to cope with their lives and relationships and they destroy any hope of happiness because they can not trust anyone or anything.  Will this desire of his to become a woman been worth it?

Well, That's from an "attackers" point of view.

Like what the show said, he was like that for most if not his whole life, I honestly don't find anything bad with it, just that It's society that's done that to him, he could've changed it quickly in the first place if it was so bad, and none of this would've happened, hence christina and err, the other girl wouldn't probably be here.

In a way, they have to accept the choice, in order to have an adult figure in their lives, they have their mother, why not another?

It's only appearence, and genitalia and different hormones, but what about the personality? I'm doubting that's changed.

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His act will have a dramatic effect on what they see as the truth in life.  It will destroy their trust in anything.  They see one thing but what they see is not real.  How will they cope with this and come to terms with their whole life being made up of a lie. This could actually destroy them.  Has he even thought of this.  has he sought counseling to help him help them deal with this? I do not think so."

 

Well, that's kinda reality, if they can go through this, they could've gone through harder things that other's haven't gone through, such as break-ups' unfaithful relationships, and other difficult things, I think they'll get stronger, because reality works that way.

They've already know that their father's a mother now.

He can't honestly go back to the way he was, because if he did, i doubt he'd be so happy.

How about this, A mother, a father, a daughter and another as a family, back to their old ways.

Except their father would be extremely unhappy, eventually leading to depression, and possibly suicide, you'll never know.

 

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August 4, 2008, 1:08 pm PDT

Harharhar.

Quote From: jfabian

You're sickening.  How can you say this what this so called person being born a boy, grew up to be a "man."  Gotten married, had 2 daughters, then decides to be a "woman."  His daughters were very close to their Father and sounds like he was close to them.  They're very hurt.  They already have a "Mother," they don't need to have another one.  He's the one is being "very selfish." 

 

You're the one that needs to grow up!!!!  One thing for sure, if your Father decided to change his gender to become a woman, you'll be singing a different tune.  I know down deep inside it'll hurt you, just as it did for these two young girls.

 

I know I couldn't accept him as a woman, when he needs to be man and a Father to his own daughters.

Technically, It peoples point of views that are sickening and unable to accept the choices already made, it's society's pressures and standards their putting, and I wouldn't be hoenstly dead inside if my father did, i'm an very understanding person, as long as he's happy, i'll be too, because he'll still have the same personality.

 

There's different meanings of a "man" just because you've hit puberty, doesn't mean your technically a man, sure it could be but that's just too ridiculous to me.

I say their all just silly little labels that people place on and those people should grow up!

 

You should grow up instead of attacking, you shouldn't defend either.

play both sides, and we'll see how grown up you are.

 

 

 
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