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Created on : Friday, April 25, 2008, 03:00:17 pm
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(Original Air Date: 04/29/08) Christina, 21, and her younger sister, Carlie, 13, say they had a close relationship with their father, Michael, until two years ago when he decided to transition to a female. Michael was a police officer, soldier and loving parent who lived his life as a male for 40 years. Now, he wants his daughters to call him Mom, because he says Dad is gone, but they refuse. Michael, who prefers to be called Kayla, says she wants to explain to her daughters why she's living as a woman, but they've never given her the chance. The last time Christina saw her father was two years ago when he showed up at her work in lace and blue jeans to break the news that he's transgendered. When she sees Kayla onstage, does she greet her with open arms? Next, Carlie joins her sister and father. She says she wants her old dad back, but will she feel the same after seeing Kayla? Can the father-daughter bond be turned into a mother-daughter one? Be prepared for an emotional journey as two daughters  struggle to understand how someone they say loved so much could hurt them so badly. Talk about the show here.

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August 5, 2008, 4:32 pm PDT

Suicide

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You really think that prejudices and attitudes, like yours, don't effect people?

Yup it does, it causes them to commit suicide. Sad isn't it Penny.

 

I walked away from this discussion some time ago because some get it some don't. People think everything is back and white in this earth and yet all throughout nature variations happen. Because we are human being, apparently we are immune to the same mutations that are seen in nature. We see dozens of issues with Gender and sexuality beyond just this one, including women who have XY men who have xx and some even have variations like XXY

 

It's easy to say this is wrong or that's wrong and pass judgment on someone else's life. It's easier than looking within ourselves and fixing our own problems. I lived this and I still am, I've had gender dysphoria since my earliest memories. It's done so much emotional damage trying to live the way society built the box I'm supposed to fit into. To the point that if I had to live the way a lot of you have deemed me to then I might as well just have killed myself like my original intent. But that wasn't the right answer for me.

I took the hard route, I chose life but I chose to get help for this, In getting help the path was set in front of me by my Dr's and that is what I have to abide by for treatment to live. That doesn't mean living in one gender part time to appease some because that violates the standards of care put forth by the medical community.

 

I've heard we need therapy not surgery. I've had 3 years of therapy and the only known cure is transition. Dr's are the gatekeepers of transition and to get there means living full time and doing hormone therapy.

 

It does damage to the mind to have such a conflict of opinion. Dr's tell us that transition is the only known sure, society tells us to stay the sex we were born as. So do I take medical advice from my neighbor or my Dr?

 

The truth in this show is simple. Dr Phil dropped the ball and most of all Kayla dropped the ball.

 

Dr Phil should have explained the hows, whys and what's of this condition and why it is medically necessary and YES it is NECESSARY!

 

Kayla has dropped the ball in so many ways. Not financially supporting her girls, Not getting them invovled with therapy so they understood what was going on and help them deal. Working to stay in their life.

 

We get the word tselfish thrown at us all to often in transition. It is selfish to expect someone to live miserable because they don't undertstand their feelings and emotions about who they are. Transisition is not selfish it is simply survival... .

 

Selfish is not supporting your children and getting your nails done. Selfish is not getting your children help because yours is more important to you. Please don't lump all TG people into one big ball because of a few bad ones...

 

Lastly I've read that I'm not supposed to have had children because of my Gender Dysporia. How sad people must be if they assume all families end up in tattered ruins because of this. I have a beautiful wife who has taken the time to talk to my Dr's and learn about why I need this and she stands beside me, she is my best friend and my soulmate. I have a 23 yr old daughter that not only supports me, she likes me much better the way I am now. She also likes the fact that her dad is still alive instead of dead. Lastly I have a beautiful granddaughter I am watching grow, that would have never happened if I followed the jugemental people . I love everyone in my family dearly and I know I'm loved. I would have nevber found that out if I lived the narrow path that some people expect .....

 

 

 

 

 

 

 
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August 5, 2008, 4:36 pm PDT

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No, its not fair to ask him to change  back, but its not fair of him or you to expect something from his kids he didn't bother to teach, just expected them to except, even though it took him 30+ years himself to over come and except. his kids should be allowed to go though this in their own time and express themselves any way they need too , if its being angry, hurt, confused.Thats their right.

They don't have a right to their feeling, but he does.

 

 

When a person spends 40-50 years getting up every morning and hating them self because they are not the person they can be. I went to bed and prayed every night to God, " And please GOD, let me wake up as a woman. One day I was. It was just one of Gods little expressions to those who believe in God.

 

It takes two to make a home with children, the only thing that changed here was that their father started to wear what s/he wanted. Bet mom has jeans with a zipper in the front, wear mens t shirts, and shoes that could be either, its a one sided street, S/he was going the wrong way regardless who observed the situation.

 

 "They don't have a right to their feeling, but he does."

 Those children MOST CERTIANLY DO have a right to their feelings.

Don't ever say a child has no right to their feelings. They are people

with feelings and emotion much stronger than adults. I always

listen to my childrens feelings. I have two in their 20's now and

they alway's tell me how much it ment to them that I listened. I now

have two younger than 10 and I will change nothing. They are allowed

to express their feelings anytime they need to.

 
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August 5, 2008, 4:44 pm PDT

no.

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You are right, they wrote the show, its about them and their need of their father and how he forgot that he was one. The show was not about transgenders, the parent in question just happens to be one.

This is false. Dr. Phil has bad parents on all the time. This was about how his sex change affected his daughters.

If it weren't, why not just have a regular deadbeat dad on?

 

The sex change was the prime focus.

 
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August 5, 2008, 4:56 pm PDT

08/04 Daddy Drama

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I know Mike personally I was married to him and he practically destroyed my life after I married him! He is very selfish and has many personalities! This must be number 5! You guys don't know him like I do, he is a dangrous man and will not get help because he said he would lose his PI license. He is gone way off this time. He changes his mind about something like being married he just gets rid of you like trash and expects it to be "OK" will now he has done his family this way. I really hope he gets some kind of serious help!
in case any of you didn't read this earlier here it is again. READ IT
 
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August 5, 2008, 4:59 pm PDT

Daddy Drama

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This dad must have agonized all these years about his sexual orientation, especially as an ex cop where machismo and tough- guy image is everything, so I sympathize with him about the difficultly  he is facing with his daughters' inability to accept his new sexual identity. However expecting them to call him/her mom is definitely premature; he needs to give them time to absorb and understand the complexity of this issue and to continue to reassure them that his love for them is still and always the same. He should also understand that what their daughters feel, beside the embarrassment, confusion and anger, is the loss of the only father they have ever known. I'm sure Dr Phil will offer this family the kind of help they all need to be a family again.
I feel deaply for this family.  I understand the anguish in these girls hearts; however, I can also understand the anguish in the father's heart also. I seen the hate in the eldest daughters eyes and I don't think there is anything that the father can say or do besides changing back to his old self (man) to mend this relationship. I hope Dr. Phil will put them in contact with the professionals that this family so desperately needs to help them through this difficult (to say the least) time.
 
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August 5, 2008, 5:03 pm PDT

CORRECT!

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i'm really sick of you people saying that society is to blame for what this guy does. get real. what he does is his fault and no one elses.
I COULDN'T HAVE SAID IT ANY BETTER MYSELF----STEVE
 
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August 5, 2008, 5:03 pm PDT

08/04 Daddy Drama

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This is false. Dr. Phil has bad parents on all the time. This was about how his sex change affected his daughters.

If it weren't, why not just have a regular deadbeat dad on?

 

The sex change was the prime focus.

It was about how his change AFFECTED HIS DAUGHTERS, not whether or not changing genders is "ok", which some people were so busy defending that they forgot that the topic was about the children and how this affected them.
 
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August 5, 2008, 5:04 pm PDT

I was married to one who said he was one

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pmbrent:  "the only thing that changed here was that their father started to wear what s/he wanted."

 

 

 

Hmmm, not quite. 

  The father has made a decision, but he did not consider his family in the way he did it.  In my case, my ex told me his issues were in the past before we got married.  After 4 children, he was planning on surgery, but after divorce, changed his mind.  He had a website on the internet, but removed it.  He was quoted in an article which I found after the fact.  I changed my name and my kids changed their names after divorce.  For Pete's sake, he had a picture on the internet as a woman.  He did remove it after one of my sons complained (but you would think he wouldn't have put it on in the first place).  Even though he tried about three years after divorce to remove stuff, there were things from other sources--one of which claimed he was a female to male transgendered person!  You can say he wasn't transgendered, but HE said he was and then changed his mind about surgery.  For a brief time he also said he wanted me back, but I was not interested.  He got remarried and "uninvited" his kids!  (They had said they would come and he literally had my oldest son shown to the door)  There was a guard put in the parking lot which when my boys approached because they wanted to at least say hi to relatives before we left, the person said, "Do I have to call the police?"  Believe me, NONE of us would have done ANYTHING to make trouble.  The only reason I drove my boys to the parking lot was because their ride didn't pick them up!  So my oldest son delivered their wedding present and was shown the door. 

 

My kids call him "Biofat" short for biological father.  They feel he lost the "right" to be called Dad, even though he changed his mind about surgery.  My youngest didn't even know the issue of the divorce until afterwards after he changed his mind.  It shouldn't even be an issue to call him Mom--they have a mother.  The girls can call him whatever they want to call him.  They are entitled to their feelings for their former biological father.  Yes, it is what it is.  He is historically their father.  Maybe calling him "Biofat" would work for them as well. 

 

I have been in a support group for women whose husbands are transgendered or struggling with these issues.  They tend to be "control freaks".  But if they make the choice, they need to allow their children and spouses or ex spouses to have their own feelings.  I have NEVER regretted changing names because I had no idea what would happen in the future.  So, now his family line is gone (but only technically).  Most transgendered people wouldn't care I think, but we are the bad guys because we changed our names!  That was how this guy acted.  His daughters were bad because they weren't "feeling" the way he "demanded" that they feel.  Selfish.  Selfish.  Selfish.

 
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August 5, 2008, 5:08 pm PDT

08/04 Daddy Drama

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I COULDN'T HAVE SAID IT ANY BETTER MYSELF----STEVE
thank you very much steve
 
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August 5, 2008, 6:03 pm PDT

08/04 Daddy Drama

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It was about how his change AFFECTED HIS DAUGHTERS, not whether or not changing genders is "ok", which some people were so busy defending that they forgot that the topic was about the children and how this affected them.

yes, that's what I said. But some are trying to say, "well, he's a bad father, it has nothing to do with the transgendered thing" or "he just happened to be transgendered". No. It wasn't like they were talking about his bad parenting and he said, "Oh, btw, I used to be a guy."

 

It was wholly and completely about the sex change.

 

I don't think the girls AREN'T entitled to their anger and confusion, but there is a difference between being furious and outright hatred, especially by certain people here.

 
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