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(Original Air Date: 04/29/08) Christina, 21, and her younger sister, Carlie, 13, say they had a close relationship with their father, Michael, until two years ago when he decided to transition to a female. Michael was a police officer, soldier and loving parent who lived his life as a male for 40 years. Now, he wants his daughters to call him Mom, because he says Dad is gone, but they refuse. Michael, who prefers to be called Kayla, says she wants to explain to her daughters why she's living as a woman, but they've never given her the chance. The last time Christina saw her father was two years ago when he showed up at her work in lace and blue jeans to break the news that he's transgendered. When she sees Kayla onstage, does she greet her with open arms? Next, Carlie joins her sister and father. She says she wants her old dad back, but will she feel the same after seeing Kayla? Can the father-daughter bond be turned into a mother-daughter one? Be prepared for an emotional journey as two daughters  struggle to understand how someone they say loved so much could hurt them so badly. Talk about the show here.

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August 5, 2008, 9:38 pm PDT

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BTW and I know you said this unintentionally so I'm pointing this out in a general way and not directly at you.

 

I'm not out to fool people, I'm out to educate them so I try to be as honest as I can about this subject. I think a lot of mainstream societies fear revolves around the idea that trans people are trying to "fool" them and I assure people this isn't the case. We are just trying to get from point A to point B happy and healthy. Mosty of all we want to be productive contributing members of society. In order to do that we need to be comfortable with who we are after al, its our lives and we only have 1 chance.

 

I do not condone or agree with Trans people that get into relationships and lie about who they are, it is not fair to the people they are invovled with.

 

I absolutely refuse to let closeminded people try and make me feel bad about myself anymore, I am proud of who I am ...

you should be proud.
 
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August 6, 2008, 12:42 am PDT

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You're so very wrong. Our MOTHER'S have nothing to do with our words! He didn't live a lie for 40 years!!! He lived just as he was born.....A MAN! He's living a lie NOW! And, no, I don't just want a penis back on my dad....He's not the same person now that he was. Having your father tell you that you aren't ALLOWED  to call him dad anymore is something you don't just "get over". He took something very dear to me out of my vocabulary and my life. You're mother marrying someone your age is NOT THE SAME THING! I appreciate the fact that you're trying to somehow relate to my sister and I.....but you can't! I'm not going to say anything snide about your mom and her actions because I'm sure that it was very hard on you to see her smoke pot. Just know that your pain and my pain are on completely different sides of the spectrum. I had to watch him change. That's hard when you're a teenager...things are confusing enough without your dad going crazy on top of it. As for my sister, I am completely torn apart inside about what she's having to endure everyday. She starts high school in a few weeks......a high school that she knows no one at......do you remember you're first week of high school? I do! It was horrible! Everyone is so mean at that age! Now, she has to go through the same things we all went through PLUS THIS! If my "dad" had any concern for my sister.......he would have let her keep her dad through the hard times ahead of her. I wouldn't be as mad at him/her if my sister wasn't involved the way she is. I hate him for doing this to her. I can never forgive him for making her cry!
       What ever happened to unconditional love? Is it just a one way street? As a mother I have  this kind of love..no matter what my children do I will love them and support them. It is always my hope that they  will love me no matter what. I have to wonder what would have happened if one of the daughters  came forward and said "I want to be a man", If one or both of the parents denied them because of they wanted to change their gender , Would many of us be on here saying how mean and cruel the parents are because they don't want to accept their kids ,,bla bla bla..lets cut the crap! This man is going to be a woman whether you or me or anyone else likes it and you can whine and cry about it til you die but it will change nothing. He will still become a woman and you will still feel betrayed, or you can decide that man or woman this person will always be your parent and you can make the best of time you will have with this person, because make no mistake about it, one day this person will leave this world and there will be no going back.
 
 
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August 6, 2008, 1:20 am PDT

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Dr. Phil said he saw a lot of sniping going on, and absolutely no show of emotion on Kayla's face.

 

From where I was sitting, in front of my TV set, the only sniping I saw was from the daughters, and I certainly saw a lot of anxiety on Kayla's face, plus an amazing lot of control.  The daughters appeared to me to be two bad actresses.  Just my opinion.   

 

I can only imagine what Kayla is going through, and even then that wouldn't be doing her justice, because I can't really understand how these things happen, and if they are real or what.

 

Michael didn't seem to have any female traits in the physical sense, but said she felt feminine in her head.  I guess I would have to study psychology to understand how that could happen, and study Michael as a personal case,  and even then I would have questions.  We seem to be more accepting today of a lot more things, as long as nobody has to die for it.   

 

I was thinking that maybe he shouldn't have gotten married and had children, if he wasn't sure of who he was, or even if he ever thought that eventually he would go through these changes.  He probably also broke the news to them in the wrong way.  If it was me, I certainly wouldn't want my parent to show up at my job as he did.  Sometimes it might take years to adjust to news like that.  Maybe some people never adjust.   

 
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August 6, 2008, 1:22 am PDT

My two cents.......

Okay I have been pretty quiet to just sit back and read the boards but with how close to home this topic is I feel the need to chime back in. I just have a few things to say so please bear with me and at least hear me out.

 

1. It's a huge shock to everyone, not just the daughters to have a parent go through this. Being transgender is just as hard on the person going through it as it is those around them. Trust me I know this. I have lost my family, my marriage, jobs, and friends. It is a very tough and painful process to have to go through.

 

2. Being transgender is not a decision that one makes. It is more or less knowledge that something is not right. The best way I have heard it put into words is this, "When you wake up in the morning how do you know who you are? Before you look in the mirror, and before you move a muscle.... during that first concious thought.... how do you know you are YOU? You just do, right? You dont need to be told, you dont need to look in the mirror, and you dont need to even open your eyes.... you just KNOW that you are you." "Being transgender feels no different. When I arouse from sleep every morning, before I even roll over to mash the snooze button I just KNOW that I am a woman. I just know it.

 

3. With number 2 being said I would like to wish Mikayla a safe journey on her path to happiness. This is not a path that is easy to travel or completley understood. We are still forging this path every day!!! So my hopes are that Mikayla is involved very closely with a liscensed therapist at the very least, is monitoring her health and is surrounded by supportive friends.

 

Keep your head up and Mikayla and remember that it can get better.... dont sit around and wait for it to fix itself though. You have to make it happen.

 

P.S. - Next time you come out to people especially family try not to do it in a public place, like their job. IMHO that is.

 
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August 6, 2008, 5:20 am PDT

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Quote From: PennyLane78

No it was most definitely not an intentional hurt...but I don't mind you using my post to express this at all.

I am sure that you are open and honest when necessary and ethical.

All I meant was there is nothing "male" looking about your photo at all. I think that actually many people don't KNOW who was born what much of the time. They could be in daily contact a transsexual person and never know. (I think this is because many people confuse cross dressing with gender issues...and they aren't necessarily related....that's a whole other issue that irritates me! LOL)


Thanks for that Penny, as I said it was more or less a platform to show something

 

You make a really awesome point as well. Most people simply don't realize that there are more trans people integrated into society than they are aware. I've often read comments about how we "don't fool anyone" and we stand right out or the worst the preverbial "Man in a dress" description Chances are if you are dealing with a Transsexual woman we aren't wearing dresses. This doesn't mean that some don't but the majority of us just live normal lives. I'm more of a T-shirt and Jeans girl for instance.

 

One of the scariest parts of transition for any trans person is the fear of not passing or not fitting in. We live with that fear because of the way closeminded people view us and honestly, we don't look to be spectacles.

 

Lastly,

 

I feel bad for these girls to some degree. I think that this whole issue was handled poorly and things were said that has left pain on both sides. I for one have never requested that my daughter call me mom, I am her dad and she refers to me as such. I refuse to take that away from her. By the same token we also have an understanding that in public she can't yell Dad from across the mall because it really confuses people and makes muncomfortable.

 

For those that think 12 is too young too undertand something like this. You're very naive and in fact 12 year olds have more of a grasp on reality than you expect. If brought up open honest and loving this subject is a non issue for most. It becomes an issue because some parents choose to make it an issue.  Children have more acceptance and compassion than most adults. Transition is an issues that cam be worked with successfully.

 

For those that have the idea you only live for your children, you've missed the boat of life. If I had that mentality I would already be dead. I was a parent (by accident) at 19. I chose to be repsonsible and her mother and I raised her. If I were to follow your roadmap for life then it would have been over for me without ever having a chance to live.

 

I love my daughter to death and would give her the world but it is unhealthy to not take care of my need

and that of my wife. Kids are important but they do not always come first, that's a dynamic issue.

 

The bottom line is that I hope Kayla finds enough balance to support her children and get them help if they need. It is however selfish to assume Kayla should go back to living in inner hell to plaease other people.

 

 

 

 

 

 
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August 6, 2008, 6:15 am PDT

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Quote From: johnny1500

 "He was told his entire life that he was a man and men are supposed to act a certain way. Not to cry, not to show emotion, not to enjoy the pretty things you have your entire life."

 

 No one ever told me that, and I am a 47 year old father of four children and we cry and we have fun, That is insane that you think men are all brought up that way, its so untrue pebbles or what ever you call your self.

 This person is not "her" he is a cop out father that walked away from his children. And I will never understand how any Man or Father can walk away from his children. There is no excuse for it and I have no pitty for it, no matter what the excuse is.

 You took the time to bring that baby in this world, NOW take the time to be a proper parent.

 And you girls, I feel your pain, this father was crying with you watching the show.


 

go back and figure out who said what. i did not post that quote you attributed to me johnny or whatever you call yourself. learn how to use the boards if you are going to post.
 
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August 6, 2008, 7:05 am PDT

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Quote From: angeleyes65

I know Mike personally I was married to him and he practically destroyed my life after I married him! He is very selfish and has many personalities! This must be number 5! You guys don't know him like I do, he is a dangrous man and will not get help because he said he would lose his PI license. He is gone way off this time. He changes his mind about something like being married he just gets rid of you like trash and expects it to be "OK" will now he has done his family this way. I really hope he gets some kind of serious help!
AND AGAIN THIS IS WHAT THIS MAN DOES!
 
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August 6, 2008, 7:30 am PDT

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Quote From: kristae

Okay I have been pretty quiet to just sit back and read the boards but with how close to home this topic is I feel the need to chime back in. I just have a few things to say so please bear with me and at least hear me out.

 

1. It's a huge shock to everyone, not just the daughters to have a parent go through this. Being transgender is just as hard on the person going through it as it is those around them. Trust me I know this. I have lost my family, my marriage, jobs, and friends. It is a very tough and painful process to have to go through.

 

2. Being transgender is not a decision that one makes. It is more or less knowledge that something is not right. The best way I have heard it put into words is this, "When you wake up in the morning how do you know who you are? Before you look in the mirror, and before you move a muscle.... during that first concious thought.... how do you know you are YOU? You just do, right? You dont need to be told, you dont need to look in the mirror, and you dont need to even open your eyes.... you just KNOW that you are you." "Being transgender feels no different. When I arouse from sleep every morning, before I even roll over to mash the snooze button I just KNOW that I am a woman. I just know it.

 

3. With number 2 being said I would like to wish Mikayla a safe journey on her path to happiness. This is not a path that is easy to travel or completley understood. We are still forging this path every day!!! So my hopes are that Mikayla is involved very closely with a liscensed therapist at the very least, is monitoring her health and is surrounded by supportive friends.

 

Keep your head up and Mikayla and remember that it can get better.... dont sit around and wait for it to fix itself though. You have to make it happen.

 

P.S. - Next time you come out to people especially family try not to do it in a public place, like their job. IMHO that is.

how did your children deal with it if i may ask?
 
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August 6, 2008, 8:01 am PDT

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To all who are falling all over themself and patting themself on the back and who is  trying to be so politically correct,  You are so transparent, and willing to make excuses for  this person wrong actions as a father who truely drop the ball here.

 

So when you are done patting yourself and making yourself feel good for your deed, and jump off the high horse. Look at this person as a = and not someone who is helpless, and judge them for their action only.

he/she  broke every rule to being a parent and every rule there is about coming out to their familys and his action are the reason for the children reaction.

 

No reason to march on this one or lock arms, he made this bed with his children and  he needs to find a way to fix it, and be the parent .

 
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August 6, 2008, 8:17 am PDT

What ??

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Are people actually giving this woman a hard time? I haven't read everything from her, just one post from someone that she was angered by and their response, but has there been even more? I feel that she has every right to her own feelings about her own father, who she really doesn't even have anymore. I can't understand the selfishness that a parent can heap upon their own children such as this.
Have you read all of the 1,000 + messages on the message boards??  I have.  Do you really know what you are talking about ??
 
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