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Topic : 07/25 "It's My Baby Too!"

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(Original Air Date: 04/30/08) Attention men: If you have a child on the way, or dream of being a father some day, you don’t want to miss this show! A little-known law could keep you from having any rights to your child. Bryce and Esther dated for one month before Esther became pregnant. Bryce says he wanted to marry Esther and raise their child together, but Esther says she wasn’t ready to be a mother. When they broke up, Esther decided to place the baby for adoption without informing Bryce. When Bryce finally learned his daughter was born, she was already seven days old and placed with another family. Now Bryce is fighting to get his child back, but because of an obscure law in his state, he has lost his rights as a father. What law did Bryce fail to comply with that even the lawyers in this case weren’t previously aware of? Is he unfit as a father, or is this law unconstitutional? Bryce and Esther’s lawyers give their opinion. Plus, the grandparents at odds over Esther’s decision face off. Don’t miss this heated discussion and learn more about the Putative Father Registry! Join the discussion.

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April 30, 2008, 10:16 am PDT

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Maybe the registry was created and the law labeled obscure because men have been obscure about how to show up in a relationship as a responsible fertile adult. It became so bad that men now have to be coached by public policy to act like responsible people. Men's right advocates cry foul, giving men another good reason to harass women. Which creates an environment that could elevate the already high assault and death rate of pregnant women at the hand of partners or spouses.
 
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April 30, 2008, 10:22 am PDT

04/30 "It's My Baby Too!"

 I think that the whole show was a HUGE waste of time!!! No one seemed at all concerned about the welfare of the baby! It was all about everyone else's feelings. That little girl did not ask to be born into disfunction and her biological mother at least had the maturity to see that both her and the biological father could not give this child what every child deserves to have!
Come on!!!!! That man is 35 years old and can't even support himself let alone a baby!

Children can be placed for adoption and be loved by their adoptive parents just as much if not more than the biological family.
I placed a baby boy for adoption when I was barely 17 and he is in a wonderful family who loved him dearly. I hope that Esther will keep her head up and know that though she was irresponsibe in being with than man, she made a wise choice and the outcome for the baby will be sooo much better!!
 
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April 30, 2008, 10:23 am PDT

THIS IS SO UNFAIR

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are you kidding me? God Bless Esther for her big heart? God give A heart! shes nothing more than a manipulative little child who is holding this baby over this mans head to maintain his attention. Shes a promiscuous little girl whos parents obviously didnt raise her well. He has at least taken steps to turn his life around and his mother has supported him in that. He should at least be allowed regular visitation with his little girl. If that baby needs to be protected from anyone is Esther and her sick parents.
I AGREE, ESTER DOESN'T HAVE A BIG HEART, SHE WAS SELFISH AND THINKING ONLY OF HERSELF. THAT BABY HAS EVERY RIGHT TO BE RAISED BY HER FATHER IF HE THINKS HE CAN AND WANTS TO DO IT AND HE HAS THAT RIGHT TO PROVE HE CAN AND I BELIEVE HE CAN. HIS MOTHER EVEN SAID SHE'D HELP. ESTER ADOPTING OUT THAT LITTLE GIRLS WITHOUT TALKING TO THE FATHER FIRST IS THE CHICKEN WAY OUT AND NO LAW SHOULD BE ABLE TO STOP THE DADDY FROM TRYING TO RIGHT WHAT WAS WRONGED. THERE ARE SO MANY DEAD BEAT DADDIES OUT THERE THAT DON'T WANT ANYTHING TO DO WITH THEIR KIDS AND THIS GUY WANTS TO BE A DAD, I SAY LET HIM. ESTER DAD IS THE ONE WHO SHOULD BE PUNISHED FOR STEPPING IN AND SAYING HE RAPED ESTER WHEN SHE SAYS HE DIDN'T. ESTERS DAD SHOULD BE SUED FOR SLANDER AND FOR TRYING TO RUIN THIS YOUNG MANS CHARACTER. I HOPE HE GETS HIS DAUGHTER BACK WHILE SHE'S STILL YOUNG ENOUGH TO HANDLE THE TRANSITION WELL. SHE'S STILL A BABY, IT WOULDN'T TRAMATIZE HER YET. GOOD LUCK DADDY, I'M ON YOUR SIDE. AND DON'T GIVE ESTER AND HER FATHER VISITATION RIGHTS. THEY DON'T DESERVE IT.
 
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April 30, 2008, 10:23 am PDT

04/30 "It's My Baby Too!"

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 What are you going to do when your son makes mistakes and believe me he will. They may or may not be this big but there will be many. Take it from a mom of two boys and an aunt to 8. I"ll bet you blame the girl.
 Both are to blame! They both made the mistake and at least the mom was willing to try to make it right by giving the little girl a fair chance at a good life!!!
 
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April 30, 2008, 10:27 am PDT

04/30 "It's My Baby Too!"

Boy, is this ever a hot button for me!

 

The first words out of Dr. Phil's mouth were the same ones that would come out of mine had I been in front of those two parents: "WHY DIDN'T YOU USE BIRTH CONTROL???" They knew each other for one lousy month before she became pregnant....well DUH! Now here we are dealing with the adoption/parental fighting issues once again because of two careless, selfish, immature dingbats who couldn't care less about the consequences of their stupidity!

 

In my opinion, NEITHER of these parents (nor the paternal grandmother) are fit to raise this child, so adoption is the right way to go....but, as for this open adoption by friends of the mother....I think that's a total cop-out. The mother and maternal grandparents get to go visit and koochie-coo the baby (how convenient) whenever they want to, for only as long as they want to, but don't have to take any of the daily responsibilities of caring for this child....kind of like when the parents were having sex: all the fun with none of the responsibilities.

 

If I were the adoptive parents, open adoption would not be on the table at all!  I think it's selfish and confusing for the child that the mother and her parents are so verbally insistent about caring so much about. If you choose adoption, then choose it and all that it means; get out of the child's life and let her have a secure, stable, non-confusing life with her new parents, and don't interfere.  

 

Then, if someday, when the child becomes of age and wants to find the biological parent(s) there's a registry that both the child and bio parents can go to, put down their names and can then find each other if they so choose. 

 

Meanwhile, get on with your lives, all of you, and next time use some common sense and some damn birth control!!  

 
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April 30, 2008, 10:31 am PDT

04/30 "It's My Baby Too!"

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Esther you should be truly ashamed of yourself. You and your controlling, manipulative father and mother did nothing less than kidnap this beautiful child and rob her of a father. I am the mother of a six month old little girl and let me tell you, a baby loves no one like she does her daddy. I will pray for Bryce and Chris everyday that he gets his parental rights back. You are not fit to ever be a mother. God forbid you ever have anymore children to simply disregard and throw away or another man in your life to control and manipulate. You can walk in anytime you want and see that baby, I wouldnt dare call her your daughter, you're no mother. but Bryce may never see her again. If anyone is unfit its you, you are unfit as a human being. How dare you. And your lawyer is the reason people hate lawyers. Snake!

 

Bryce and Chris, Im from Texas, if there is any legislator or judge in your state that I can write to to express just how disgusting this is please let me know, as I intend to write my Texas legislators and make sure we do not have this pervasive law where permiscuous women can just blatantly decide the fate of a child without the fathers consent. Please let me know who to write to.

 Excuse me but how do you know that she was permiscuous??   You have some nerve telling a mother who made mature decision that she is unfit! We know nothing more than what was revealed on the show and that wasn't much!! Is every mom who gives her child up for adoption unfit??????
 
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April 30, 2008, 10:38 am PDT

Not good enough?

What I don't understand is why this girl thought he was good enough to lay down with and obviously not care whether or not she got pregnant but he's not good enough to marry or be a father to his daughter.  She shouldn't be able to just "bail" out by giving the baby away. It's like saying, "Oops, I made a mistake by having sex and getting pregnant with a loser, so now let's try an erase that." What she and her dominating father fail to realize is that, it took two people to make that baby they didn't want and the father should have a voice in the childs future.  Would her father or her given the baby up had she gotten pregnant by a lawyer or doctor instead of a recovering meth addict? I bet not.  She will have to answer to her child one day and explain why she shut the childs father out of her life without consulting him. What couples fail to realize is that no one gives a crap whether or not you like the person any longer after the child was created. You liked them enough at one time to create the child and because of that each party has a right to decide about that child's future. It is completely irrelevant whether Esther or her family likes the father or not. Did she consult them before she slept with him?  I bet not. 
 
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April 30, 2008, 10:40 am PDT

adoption outcome

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I wrote a piece in college on this law.  What the law allows is for a man who has had unprotected sex to register in the event that his partner should become pregnant.  Everytime a girl has unprotected sex she runs the risk of becoming pregnant.  Men run the same risk.  Women have the added responsibility of carrying a child.  Men should also be responsible during the pregnancy.  To simply show up 10 or 12 months later and demand rights is unacceptable.  They should have to assist with financial costs of pregnancy etc.  In addition, for the man who says "I didn't know she was pregnant", everytime YOU have unprotected sex you can create a baby.  If you want rights register!
Today's show was the story of my life and 60 years latter this is the outcome---I found my father 12 years ago and he was the light of my life until 6 months ago when he died in my arms.  My mother is a mean bitter women and she will not "allow" me to met her.  Do who won that battle of the wills???
 
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April 30, 2008, 10:46 am PDT

Do you have children?

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Parenting is a privledge, not a right. Whether your a woman or a man, If you are unable to step up to the plate to raise an emotionaly stable, happy, educated, law abiding child, and are not able to put that child's every want and need above and beyond yourself, then it's not your right.

There are not a lot of parents out there that can afford to give a child their every want. You do not have the right or authority to tell someone that because they do not put a child's every want above everything else. I have several children and I assure you that they do not get everything that they want and that does not make me a bad parent. There are a lot of good parents out there that love their children dearly and give them everything that they NEED. A child does not have to get their every want to be healthy, educated, law abiding and emotionally stable.

 

This father evidently loves his child very much. He is fighting to be a part of his daughter's life and no person should be denied their child. I am not saying that he should be given the child without knowing that it would be a good home, but he should have just as much of a right to that child as the mother had. He had the support of his mother and I believe that Esther and her parents were wrong in the way that they put his daughter up for adoption without his knowing about it. He is trying to step up to the plate and love his child. We are always hearing that fathers should step up to the plate and take care of their children. This is a man who is trying to do just that and the mother and her parents have taken this away from him. Being that they baby was adopted by friends of the parents of the mother it seems to me that they were more concerned with providing a child to their friends for whatever reason than ensuring that this little girl has the chance to know her father. It should have been prove in court that the father was an unfit parent and that a biological grandparent was unfit before this child was adopted out to "friends" of the mothers parents. Shame on the system for allowing this......

 
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April 30, 2008, 10:49 am PDT

Think of the baby!!

Oh my gosh......That baby deserves a family that is stable, loving and productive citizens. The father is unstable is all areas. Life is hard enough, why should that baby have to deal with him and his family.
Cause and effect. He needs to be told that... not helped to make this a bigger mess
. That right there shows he is not thinking of the baby , just himself. Why would Dr Phil support that!! Now, he will continute to fight, and mess that babys life up forever. Nice job Dr Phil......this is about a soul....not a law!!!  The laws are for people!!
 
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