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(Original Air Date: 04/30/08) Attention men: If you have a child on the way, or dream of being a father some day, you don’t want to miss this show! A little-known law could keep you from having any rights to your child. Bryce and Esther dated for one month before Esther became pregnant. Bryce says he wanted to marry Esther and raise their child together, but Esther says she wasn’t ready to be a mother. When they broke up, Esther decided to place the baby for adoption without informing Bryce. When Bryce finally learned his daughter was born, she was already seven days old and placed with another family. Now Bryce is fighting to get his child back, but because of an obscure law in his state, he has lost his rights as a father. What law did Bryce fail to comply with that even the lawyers in this case weren’t previously aware of? Is he unfit as a father, or is this law unconstitutional? Bryce and Esther’s lawyers give their opinion. Plus, the grandparents at odds over Esther’s decision face off. Don’t miss this heated discussion and learn more about the Putative Father Registry! Join the discussion.

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July 26, 2008, 11:31 am PDT

common, buy still whacky, conclusion

Quote From: ramair

Esther didn't place this baby! Dylane did. With friends of his and Vada's. "Better" home or not, that's how it went down. Esther told Dylane she wanted to marry Bryce. He told her she didn't. Maybe Esther is too immature to know what she wants. But, does Dylane? Sure, this mustache-waxed "I'm king of the house" Victorian era relic knows what he wants. And, to hell with what anyone else wants! So, he attempts to "sweep" his dagger's sexual indiscretion "under the rug" by placing her child with friends. And, why these friends? Were they unable to have children of their own? And, unfit to adopt by conventional means? Did he owe them something? I'd come closer to trusting Chris and Bryce. Than Vada and Dylane.
 Hi Ramair,
It is a common perception on this message board that Esther's dad is some kind of mind-controlling villain,  but I see a caring dad in an intact, two-parent family.  (As opposed to the Grandmozilla with the 66% child-rearing failure rate.) Yes,  Esther's dad  was a little old-fashioned,  but Esther had her little rebellion from his authority, and came back a pregnant and chastened young lady.  No one can rip a baby out of its mother's arms - and there is simply no evidence that Esther wasn't a Juno-type, making a rational decision.  Given the two controlling older men in her life trying to tell her what to do,  she picked the devil she knew - the one with the means to support her.  It seems to me she made a rational choice given the facts from her persective.  It is not a selfish act to give a baby up for adoption, and it's not one one's father can coerce you into doing.  I think the many people who percieve Esther's dad as calling all the shots here are .... projecting about their own fathers?  I just didn't see anything more than a dad protecting a daughter who was taken advantage of by this creepy older guy.
 
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July 26, 2008, 11:56 am PDT

07/25 "It's My Baby Too!"

Quote From: fsfsupportdads

Try it out

put the shoes on buddy

You are not the child or the father so who are you to have such a lousy opinion?

This is the kind of stuff that tells our nation that detachment is good and guess what

This is the reason why 85% of our youth in prison is coming from fatherless homes.

Our future taxpayers looks bad

Do you realize this stuff is costing you and your hard earned income cause of title IV=D and Title 5 -E funds yeah your paying for it people!

Foster kids turning into adoptive kids is making billions for your state and your paying the taxes to fund those federal incentives!

Nancy lankford

fatherssupportingfathers.org

Read my post again.....I did not say one single thing that should cause you to attack me, or my opinion...and, really, your post didn't make much sense anyway.

 

I stand by every single word I said. I am not detached at all; just realistic. The truth hurts, I guess. Deal with it. 

 
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July 26, 2008, 12:10 pm PDT

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Bryce scares me, plain and simple.  He has a history of meth use which can make a person exceptionally violent and angry, and his threats to kill anyone involved with his daughter's adoption just reinforce my conclusion that he would be an unfit father.  (What would he do when his child cried for hours in the middle of the night, scribbled on the walls, or openly defied him as all children do?)  I applaud Esther for leaving an abusive relationship which can be very hard in itself.  And I applaud her choice to give the baby to a loving couple who can give her the care she needs!  Bryce doesn't love his baby--he loves himself!  He sees her as a cute little extension of him.  The fact that he would even consider taking this child and pawning her off on his mother just sickens me.  If he really is trying to get his life on the straight and narrow, he should do the mature thing and be happy that his baby girl will get a life he could never have given her.  Maybe if he did that, he could arrange for visitation like Esther and her family have.  It would be the ideal solution, but I don't see Bryce "manning up" to that.  He hasn't shown any maturity so far.  Why start now?!
 
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July 26, 2008, 12:16 pm PDT

This has got to be a joke!!!

Ok, if this was rape, where are the police?  Obviously there was no rape at all, even by admission of the involved parties (dad butt out), I know it might be hard to believe that your daughter might have had consensual sex, but really....get over it. 

 

I cant believe in this day and time of a ridiculous "hidden" law.  Since I am an adopted child, I know how it feels not to "know" your biological family (parents).  What right does anyone  have to say that a biological parent has no say so in the well being of their own child?  I struggle with the not knowing everyday!  I can promise you this...one day...mother, grandfather and grandmother will have to answer for this by the person that it matters most to.....the child who is unable to speak for herself at this time and this might not be an easy matter to handle.  Can you imagine what it would be like to not know your father because your biological mother and grandparents decided not to let him?  I hope he files a appeal and wins for the sake of his family and HIS child.  Life is hard enough having to face everyday life battles, but not battles like this one. Who is thinking about the child's rights and feelings, definitely not the mother or either the potential parents who are planning on adopting her, dint they realize they are in for a tremendous battle?

 

Dr. Phil, lets do a show about adopted children and their opinions on this subject or even just feelings and coping with being adopted.  I know that I was able to search for my biological mother and located her......call me and ask me how it turned out, might make a great show someday.

 

 
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July 26, 2008, 12:21 pm PDT

07/25 "It's My Baby Too!"

Quote From: one_candle

QuestionS for this case:

1.  What was the mother's intent when conceiving the child?

     A.  Have a child

     B.  Enjoy sex

     C.  Other

2.  What was the father's intent when conceiving the child?

     A.  have a child

     B.  Enjoy sex

     C. Other

3.  Which family dynamic type is more stable for a child (imagine YOU are the child)?

     A.  No family

     B.  Two parents - man and woman

C.      Biological mother

D.  Biological father

     D.  Other

4.  Does the ability and event of conceiving a child automatically make that person a responsible care provider for a child?

A.       YES

B.       NO

5.  Should every child be cared for by the biological parents?

A.       YES

B.       NO

6.  Is adoption wrong?

A.       YES

B.       NO

 

Opinion 101:

1.  A - If the mothers intent was to have a child, the biological father should be notified.

     B If the mothers intent was to have sex the child should be placed in an adoptive family.

2.  A If the fathers intent was to have a child, the biological father should follow up and inquire about the pregnancy; and get available agencies and organizations involved from the beginning.

     B If the father intent was to enjoy sex the child should be placed in an adoptive family.

3.  A A child should have a family, financial and social support - NOT through government programs.

     B Married Man and Woman adoptive parents wanted child and had the means to.

     C Biological mother clearly did not want to raise this child, under the circumstances.

     D Biological father was a meth user and DWI offender; and stated his mother would help raise the child.  So, an unstable father and grandmother would be the caretakers.

4.  A ludicrous to think that making a baby makes one a responsible parent

     B Anyone can make baby, not everyone can be a parent

5.  A - Blood is thicker than water implying genetic social bonds are stronger than environment.

     B Environment is stronger than genetic social bonds

6.  A limiting possibilities for the welfare of the child stating biological parents must care for the child

     B Other people, outside the biological family can be responsible and caring providers

 

So What:

Too much social emphasis is placed on biological people keeping a child they have conceived; rather than where would the child be taken care of financially and emotionally.  A child needs to be provided for; they are not house hold pets.  Yes, human life is more valuable than animal life.  Human life is so precious, and especially a childs life.

Raising children takes a lot of sacrifice.  A caretaker must be unselfish, putting child before one self.  A child needs food, a place to stay, and an emotionally stable environment.

 

Person ALL:

I am an adopted child.  The biological persons that conceived me, gave me up.  That act was the most selfless and blessed act that took place in my life.   Because my needs were put before societal and family pressures and wants, I had a chance to have a life being loved and was taught to love.  My adoptive mother and father ARE my Mother and Father, and have earned that title.  My parents and siblings look nothing like me, and I really didnt notice growing up; the only ones who did were outsiders.

From the very beginning, my parents told me I was adopted, but didnt dwell on the fact.  I grew up in a loving home where I was fed, clothed, and emotional happy.  Of course, my life is not a Disney fairytale, it has ups and downs just like most lives.

 

I will ever be grateful first to God, then my family, and the two selfless people. 

 

I totally agree because I am an adopted child also!!!!!!
 
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July 26, 2008, 12:53 pm PDT

Here we go again.....

Quote From: momo1945

 I have been a legal secretary for 34+ years and this sort of action is not uncommon.  One side trying to cut the other out of the child's life just because the parties, or one of them, doesn't like the other.  In this case it appears to me that this little gir's daddy has more love and concern for his daughter than the mother & her parents.  If they really, really cared about her she would never have been put up for adoption.  No matter what you circumstances are, the child should know its parents and when old enough to know what they trully want then the child can say whether or not they wish to know and participate  in life with their parents.  This mother, and her parents don't look like they are short of money and couldn't provide for her, so what's their problem?????  I say give her to dad and let him raise her.  The court could have family services keep a check on him and see if he's doing it right and if so, Glory Be To Him!  Let mom pay child support and have visitation a couple of days a month--that's all she deserves at this time.

Once again, a romantic and unrealistic attitude rears it's ridiculous head!

 

You don't "give a child to a parent" just because they donated sperm or an egg....this is not a puppy we're talking about here! And you can not just arbitrarily decide that the mother...or the father... is fit or not. So many things have to factor into the final decision.

 

Providing for a child takes more than money.....one having it or not is not the proper criteria for deciding whether either parent is more capable than the other.

 

As for your statement that "if they really,really cared about her she would never have been put up for adoption"........that's an insult to all the parents who made that painful decision in the best interests of the child, and for you to say that shows your ignorance! Not everyone is cut out to be a parent; there are some people who shouldn't be allowed to raise a goldfish, let alone a child. 

 

This is what happens when you have careless sex with someone you pick up in a bar....(or anywhere, for that matter!) I personally don't care who jumps whose bones....but at LEAST be responsible enough to use some  form of birth control!  It's not rocket science. 

 
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July 26, 2008, 1:18 pm PDT

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Quote From: dana31

The mother that was on the show should be ashamed of herself! It's very selfish of her to give up her child

and it's plain evil of her to attempt to keep the father who wants his child away! As I watched the show, I had to pause my DVR to tell my mother that if she had given me up for adoption and I got old enough to look for her, if I found out that she wasn't on drugs or abusive to me I would hate her and I wouldn't understand why she gave me away. The mother on the show appeared to be in good health, she had her family and apparently she had money to pay a lawyer to keep the parent who wanted his child away. That child will have alot of questions as to why she didn't keep her herself and why she couldn't have a relationship with her biological father. It's plain ignorant for someone to suggest that a child would be better of with an adoptive couple rather than his/her parent if the parent wants the child. What if things don't work out between the adoptive couple and they divorce. Should the child be taken away and given to the next couple? The person whom suggested this needs to have their head rewired. In a perfect world two parents are always better than one, but we live in a world of parents molesting their children, parents cheating on their spouses, and yes even parents killing their children. You can't say that this doesn't happen with two parents, just as it happens in single parent families. We have so many successful people in this world doctors, lawyers, scientist even presidents that have grown up with either two parents or one and still they have become Americas' backbone. My point is it doesn't matter if sadly the child does not have both his/her mother and father. What matters most is the nurturing of said child and the love and support he/she receives from that parent. Unconditional love, support, patience and understanding is what's needed. I pray that the father from the show receives help from someone. Even if he can't have full custody of his child, he should have some type of visitation. It's ok for him to say that his mom will take care of the baby. That's what grandparents do, rather you want them to or not! Also, it's a good thing for him to have his mother around because she can teach him and help him with the baby. No matter what, a child always has a bond with their biological parents. My daughter is not my husband's biological child but when she was little she was attached to him and his family. When she got to be a preteen, she started to distance herself from him and his family. I also have a cousin who had a daughter who he believed was his so we treated her with love like our own, but as she got into her preteens she started to distance herself from the family. She wasn't mean about it, but you could tell that she seemed as if she didn't belong. People don't understand how devestating being seperated from a parent can be. In this day and time when it is common for not just men, but the new trend is now women not wanting to take care of their

children, we need to recognize and accept when a man wants to be there for his child. A woman can abuse drugs, her child, and live with a man who molests her child. When the child is taken away, the mother can seek rehabilitation and file to regain custody of her kids. The father on this show supposedly had a shady past but not current. Why isn't he allowed the same right to rehabilitate himself and prove that he is indeed fit to raise his child? I'm going to end it hear because I can go on and on in regards to this subject. Please, anyone out there. If you have the resources, please help this man. Others who have posted negative messages regarding this man can talk because they are not going through it, but I caution those people to beware because some day something might happen to your situation and rock your world as this man's world has been rocked. That something just might be a test of faith and I'd like to see how you deal with it. Finally, to the person who said the child would be better off  in a two parent family, shame on you! You would be better off as a mime so we wouldn't have to hear your nonsense!

 

Yes, two parents - man and woman are the ideal situation for children.  Children may come from our bodies, but they came from God first.  God blesses us with children.  Some people are not ready for this gift.  A selfless act would be to allow the child to have an opportunity in a stable, loving home.  Selfishness is keeping the baby for the wrong reasons.  Babies are not household pets.  I am adopted and I thank God and my family constantly for their love.  I also appreciate the hard decision and act that the woman and man who conceived me had go through.

What is best for this baby?  If you have children, ask yourself where you would place your infant child if you were to die; to a mother that does not want to raise a child, an uncertain rehabilative father with grandmother, or a married couple that wants children.

I respect you, I just don't agree with you.

 
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July 26, 2008, 1:23 pm PDT

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Quote From: karirandall

all beings and sex should have same amounts of rights
No, don't confuse rights with privileges.  So serial killers, thieves etc. should be out and about with no consequence?
 

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July 26, 2008, 1:47 pm PDT

agree

Quote From: chicagojunior

Your comments are absurd and Im glad you qualified your twisted thinking at the end. Im 100% pro-choice but that ends at the birth of the baby. The baby is no longer in her body! The biological father now has rights, and so does that baby..

It makes me angry that all of you girls that have picked the guys to get pregnant by and as soon as they dont live up to what little fantasies that you have in your head they are scum. If the guy isnt worthy to raise a baby , well his sexual services sure were enough to get you pregnant. This is so one sided. Wherever you got the idea that its ok to use a guy for sex and maybe even to get pregnant but then throw him away when he no longer fits in the small box you would like him to be in, is wrong.

I can sum up this thinking in just a few wordsBITTER SELFISH AND EASY

I agree whole heartedly!! You go girl!!
 
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July 26, 2008, 2:04 pm PDT

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Quote From: yvette16

 

 

    There must be some truth about the rape, why was the father so convinced about it, I could see how he could rape her. And what about the driveway, when he blocked her car demanding sex and he put his hands on her stomach and said he wants to kill the baby if she don't let him.

                                                                                                        Maybe  Esther is covering up the rapes just to avoid the hearings and court, she was through enough with the nine months and the abuse she is luck she did not lost her life.

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

I guess the mods thought I was too harsh with my last post. So here is the 'cleaned up' version.

So far everything you have posted on this board is a bunch of rubbish!

 
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