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Created on : Friday, May 02, 2008, 01:25:28 pm
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(Original Air Date: 05/07/08) Ladies, listen up as Dr. Phil sheds light on men to avoid! You know the type: They can turn you off with their confidence, offend you with their arrogance and make you wonder if they actually hate women. He’s talking to men with out-of-control egos! John was dubbed The Worst Person in the World after sending what many would describe as a nasty, egotistical e-mail to a woman who rejected him on an Internet dating site. John admits he has a big ego but says he’s "all that and a bag of chips!" Don’t miss what happens when cameras follow John to a bar where he works his magic on the women! Then, meet Paul, a self-proclaimed Casanova who says men need to act more like cavemen. Paul says he’s proud of the fact that he’s slept with over 132 women and keeps a spreadsheet of his conquests. He says he’s so good at getting women into bed that he’s written a How To manual for men. Paul’s techniques are put to the test when he secretly coaches an introvert in a crowded club. Plus, one woman whom Paul couldn’t add to his spreadsheet joins him onstage. Where does she say he went wrong? Talk about the show here.

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May 23, 2008, 7:23 am PDT

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where was your picture taken jewelsf?  looks like a lovely destination!!!

julie

 
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May 23, 2008, 10:21 am PDT

Well said!!!!!!!!

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Jewelsf, you make alot of sense (as always!!)  I too sought out the nice guys, and had absolutely NO interest in the bad ones.  There is nothing remotely charming about a guy who is self-centered and has a big ego.  And the girls they attract aren't worth the ground they walk on.  I still think all these jerks that complain are looking for the wrong type of girl...the typical type that would go for one of the jerks.  These aren't quality girls.  They are usually materialistic empty shells. So if that is what they are looking for then they have no sympathy from me.

Now mysterymethod only gave TWO requirements in his initial post about what he was looking for.  Shape and youth. It was not until he was challenged that he added that she must bathe and be able to carry on an intelligent conversation and be trustworthy.  People will usually talk about their most important requirements first, so the shallow ones (age and weight) were most important to this person.

Then it cracks me up the way they try to explain away the shallow values with natural selection garbage. If you want a quality relationship you look for something beyond "fertility".  And where is it written that if a girl is ten pounds overweight and in her thirties that she is not fertile anyway!  Just a bunch of crap someone, undoubtably male, made up to explain away their shallowness.

Jewelsf, you sound like you are a very attractive woman, but you are also an intelligent one with good values. (You hit the jackpot, lady!!!!) You looked for guys with great personalities and good hearts.  this is why YOU succeeded and these guys did not.  And you did not go for the bad guy, nor did I and like you I was successful in finding a great one!

I agree with you that the problems come from within these guys, and they aren't going to solve it until they acknowlege it. As Dr. Phil says, "you can't change what you don't acknowledge"!!!!!! And yes, any girl worth knowing is going to sense a jerk, because we are perceptive just as you state, jewelsf.

Have a great day.

your friend Julie!!!!

You and Jewels said it perfectly and I agree totally!!!

Well.. In my opinion there is nothing more that I can add to this topic as I think that we have expressed VERY WELL our thoughts and opinions on the subject !!!!!

To continue on with this subject would only contribute to feed into their negative attitude and it also probably feeds their need for attention.

Have a great day!!!! Talk to you soon.

Lady Tinou.



 
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May 23, 2008, 12:50 pm PDT

you are right!!

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You and Jewels said it perfectly and I agree totally!!!

Well.. In my opinion there is nothing more that I can add to this topic as I think that we have expressed VERY WELL our thoughts and opinions on the subject !!!!!

To continue on with this subject would only contribute to feed into their negative attitude and it also probably feeds their need for attention.

Have a great day!!!! Talk to you soon.

Lady Tinou.



You are right that this subject has been exhausted!!!!   I'm going to check out today's board about "beach bodies"!!!!!!
 
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May 23, 2008, 1:34 pm PDT

Dear Julie,

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Jewelsf, you make alot of sense (as always!!)  I too sought out the nice guys, and had absolutely NO interest in the bad ones.  There is nothing remotely charming about a guy who is self-centered and has a big ego.  And the girls they attract aren't worth the ground they walk on.  I still think all these jerks that complain are looking for the wrong type of girl...the typical type that would go for one of the jerks.  These aren't quality girls.  They are usually materialistic empty shells. So if that is what they are looking for then they have no sympathy from me.

Now mysterymethod only gave TWO requirements in his initial post about what he was looking for.  Shape and youth. It was not until he was challenged that he added that she must bathe and be able to carry on an intelligent conversation and be trustworthy.  People will usually talk about their most important requirements first, so the shallow ones (age and weight) were most important to this person.

Then it cracks me up the way they try to explain away the shallow values with natural selection garbage. If you want a quality relationship you look for something beyond "fertility".  And where is it written that if a girl is ten pounds overweight and in her thirties that she is not fertile anyway!  Just a bunch of crap someone, undoubtably male, made up to explain away their shallowness.

Jewelsf, you sound like you are a very attractive woman, but you are also an intelligent one with good values. (You hit the jackpot, lady!!!!) You looked for guys with great personalities and good hearts.  this is why YOU succeeded and these guys did not.  And you did not go for the bad guy, nor did I and like you I was successful in finding a great one!

I agree with you that the problems come from within these guys, and they aren't going to solve it until they acknowlege it. As Dr. Phil says, "you can't change what you don't acknowledge"!!!!!! And yes, any girl worth knowing is going to sense a jerk, because we are perceptive just as you state, jewelsf.

Have a great day.

your friend Julie!!!!

We think soooooo alike! As I have said before I wish that you, lady tinou, and I all lived in the same city. We could have such a blast together. I think Dr. P's quote "You can't change what you don't acknowledge" is one of my favorites. I also like the one "do you want to be right or do you want to be happy?" concerning arguing. I know people who would rather be right. Actually now that I think about it, niceguysyndrome & mysterymethod fit that category perfectly. They refuse to acknowledge that we know what we are talking about because they are too stubborn and can't be wrong in any way, shape or form. The are classic right fighters. Well, it's apparently not getting them very far in life is it? I can't even believe that one guy who included "must bathe". Who doesn't? And yes, I have noticed that they NEVER mention that they would be willing to go out with a woman who is only mildly pretty and not anorexic, and of course as old as 30, oh my gosh, how ancient!  They have yet to mention personality, fun to be with, caring, honest, etc. as you said. Personally I think they have set their standards way too high because a woman of any substance would never go out with them. A woman of value would recognize their character flaws the moment they opened their mouths. And yet they still don't get it. Actually maybe they do but again they have to be right at all costs. Either way they are losers and we are fighting a losing battle trying to get them to see the light. I hope you have a wonderful day, Your friend jewels

P.S. My name is also Julie, my nickname is Jewels        (funny, considering how much I LOVE jewelry)

 
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May 23, 2008, 1:38 pm PDT

It's so beautiful there!

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where was your picture taken jewelsf?  looks like a lovely destination!!!

julie

It was taken in Carmel, Ca. It's one of my favorite places to go. We usually go every summer for a few days just to relax and unwind. Some people prefer Monterey but we prefer Carmel, although they are so close it doesn't really matter. Have a nice day, Jewels
 
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May 23, 2008, 1:52 pm PDT

Dear My Lady,

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You and Jewels said it perfectly and I agree totally!!!

Well.. In my opinion there is nothing more that I can add to this topic as I think that we have expressed VERY WELL our thoughts and opinions on the subject !!!!!

To continue on with this subject would only contribute to feed into their negative attitude and it also probably feeds their need for attention.

Have a great day!!!! Talk to you soon.

Lady Tinou.



I think you are correct in your assumption. We are getting nowhere and these guys are a lost cause. Hopefully some other guy on this board has read what we have written and taken it to heart, hopefully. The 2 men in particular that we usually speak of are too bitter to be able to think with any common sense and will never see the light. Too bad, we can't say that we didn't try. It just really bugs me when they run down the true nice guys (such as our husbands) but I suppose as my husband said they are intimidated by women (he actually said that) and that the only way they can talk with a woman is to argue with her over the Internet. He thought they were real losers just as we do. OK, Lady Tinou & Julie, are we in agreement that this subject is closed?

 

Have a wonderful day and we'll talk soon,

                                                    Love Jewels

 
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May 23, 2008, 6:53 pm PDT

Jewelsf

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It was taken in Carmel, Ca. It's one of my favorite places to go. We usually go every summer for a few days just to relax and unwind. Some people prefer Monterey but we prefer Carmel, although they are so close it doesn't really matter. Have a nice day, Jewels

ooooooh!! I was just in Carmel last September, and Monterey too.  Beautiful!!!!  We drove from Los Angeles to San Franciso over several days. I love travelling...I'm from the Northeast!!!

Julie

 
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May 23, 2008, 11:05 pm PDT

Ridiculous

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You, mysterymethod, are indeed a lost cause! All of you so called men keep saying that you are a nice guy but are going to change to a bad boy to get a date but personally I don't think that you were ever a nice guy to begin with. If you were then some of it would show through somewhere in one of your posts. I haven't seen an inkling of a former nice guy anywhere. That is your problem. You are deluding yourself. You may think that you had it in you and did all of the right things but what you don't know is that women are very perceptive and can see right through you. Us normal women who are looking for relationships (not me anymore since I'm married) get a sense of what a man is truly like, call it women's intuition, instinct, perceptiveness, whatever, but we are always right. We know when there is something "off" about a man. You apparently don't realize it but you are "off" in some way and the women you meet have sensed it. And it's not just you, it's a lot of the men on this board and many, many more out in the world. I suggest that you seek some counseling and try to figure out what it is about you that you don't recognize. Your perception of women is so horribly skewed and as long as you feel this way you will never find a real relationship. I wasn't only attractive in my dating days I was a "Trophy". Not trying to brag, just being honest to make a point. I refused to go out with the bad boy, I was NEVER attracted to them. I even dated men who would not be considered good looking but they had good hearts and good personalities. That was what mattered to me. Even now, as frightfully old as you would think that I am, early 40's I am still very pretty and get my fair share of attention. I know for a fact that I would have no trouble dating again if I was put in that position. I also know that I would be able to find a nice man with a good personality because I know that they are out there and that is what I want. I wouldn't give a jerky bad boy the time of day. Believe me, the problem you have with women is your own and until you realize that you will never find what you are looking for. Unless you change or seek help you will always be a lost cause.
I laughed pretty hard at this to tell you the truth. Once again none of my valid points were acknowledged. Instead you went on about how I was never a nice guy and I had some sort of secret flaw that women could just "sense." "call it women's intuition, instinct, perceptiveness, whatever, but we are always right."
That is so ridiculous it's funny and a typical attitude of many women. They think they are so high and mighty because they have the power of selection. Because nice guys let women use them and walk all over them. I tell you what the real problem is, women (even unattractive fat ones) will shrug a guy off with the slightest imperfection and not even give them a chance. The reason for this is that women know there are 50 other guys they could be with if they just give the ok and this isn't just really attractive women... It's average and less than attractive women. Once again you refuse to even try to understand what I am saying even though I speak the truth.
 
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May 23, 2008, 11:44 pm PDT

Twisting my words

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We think soooooo alike! As I have said before I wish that you, lady tinou, and I all lived in the same city. We could have such a blast together. I think Dr. P's quote "You can't change what you don't acknowledge" is one of my favorites. I also like the one "do you want to be right or do you want to be happy?" concerning arguing. I know people who would rather be right. Actually now that I think about it, niceguysyndrome & mysterymethod fit that category perfectly. They refuse to acknowledge that we know what we are talking about because they are too stubborn and can't be wrong in any way, shape or form. The are classic right fighters. Well, it's apparently not getting them very far in life is it? I can't even believe that one guy who included "must bathe". Who doesn't? And yes, I have noticed that they NEVER mention that they would be willing to go out with a woman who is only mildly pretty and not anorexic, and of course as old as 30, oh my gosh, how ancient!  They have yet to mention personality, fun to be with, caring, honest, etc. as you said. Personally I think they have set their standards way too high because a woman of any substance would never go out with them. A woman of value would recognize their character flaws the moment they opened their mouths. And yet they still don't get it. Actually maybe they do but again they have to be right at all costs. Either way they are losers and we are fighting a losing battle trying to get them to see the light. I hope you have a wonderful day, Your friend jewels

P.S. My name is also Julie, my nickname is Jewels        (funny, considering how much I LOVE jewelry)

"And yes, I have noticed that they NEVER mention that they would be willing to go out with a woman who is only mildly pretty and not anorexic, and of course as old as 30, oh my gosh, how ancient!"
Let me make one thing very clear... I do not aim for the sky  when choosing women. Since when is being anorexic in shape? It is incredibly unhealthy and I find it disgusting. You reaaaaaaaaly don't know me! To tell you the truth I would rather pursue a girl that 15 pounds overweight than underweight. Just because you don't fall within the average range of the body mass index doesn't mean you are out of shape. Often times being a couple pounds above the BMI is healthier than below. Once again you missed the point. If a girl excercises and eats healthy but is a couple pounds overweight due to genetics so be it! That's fine with me. I find it amusing that when I said I want a girl that's in shape it some how gets twisted into me wanting one of those bony bulimic models. False!

You assume I wouldn't go out with a girl that is only midly pretty? Haha. I'll take you one step lower... I have pursued a very plain looking tubby girl. Yup she had a bit of a belly but I overlooked it. She lead me on for a little bit but ultimately decided to kick me to the curb. The problem is many of these average looking women act like they are some beauty goddess that man should have to sacrifice one of their eyeballs to be with. Thus they don't give deserving guys the time of day because they detect one small imperfection.

You also assume I wouldn't go out with a girl in her 30's? Oh please! Do I really have that option? No 30 something year old is going to go out with a 22 year old man. They assume we are too immature. Once again they brush us off without giving us a chance.
 
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May 23, 2008, 11:54 pm PDT

Right on !!!!!!!

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I think you are correct in your assumption. We are getting nowhere and these guys are a lost cause. Hopefully some other guy on this board has read what we have written and taken it to heart, hopefully. The 2 men in particular that we usually speak of are too bitter to be able to think with any common sense and will never see the light. Too bad, we can't say that we didn't try. It just really bugs me when they run down the true nice guys (such as our husbands) but I suppose as my husband said they are intimidated by women (he actually said that) and that the only way they can talk with a woman is to argue with her over the Internet. He thought they were real losers just as we do. OK, Lady Tinou & Julie, are we in agreement that this subject is closed?

 

Have a wonderful day and we'll talk soon,

                                                    Love Jewels

BTW I do think that those 2 guys that we were talking about well.... In a way.. I think that they probably do ENVY those of us who have found our soul mate.

Yes I am in agreement and we can call it quits for this topic.

Now on to the next one!!

PS: My name is Diane. Lady Tinou comes from the name of one of my favorite cat that I had when I was a child.. "Tinou". And my husband calls me Tinou as a nick name, a loving name as he knows that I like this name.

Take care jewels and Julie.

Lady Tinou.
 
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