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Topic : 07/22 Male Egos Out of Control

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Created on : Friday, May 02, 2008, 01:25:28 pm
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(Original Air Date: 05/07/08) Ladies, listen up as Dr. Phil sheds light on men to avoid! You know the type: They can turn you off with their confidence, offend you with their arrogance and make you wonder if they actually hate women. He’s talking to men with out-of-control egos! John was dubbed The Worst Person in the World after sending what many would describe as a nasty, egotistical e-mail to a woman who rejected him on an Internet dating site. John admits he has a big ego but says he’s "all that and a bag of chips!" Don’t miss what happens when cameras follow John to a bar where he works his magic on the women! Then, meet Paul, a self-proclaimed Casanova who says men need to act more like cavemen. Paul says he’s proud of the fact that he’s slept with over 132 women and keeps a spreadsheet of his conquests. He says he’s so good at getting women into bed that he’s written a How To manual for men. Paul’s techniques are put to the test when he secretly coaches an introvert in a crowded club. Plus, one woman whom Paul couldn’t add to his spreadsheet joins him onstage. Where does she say he went wrong? Talk about the show here.

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July 23, 2008, 1:04 am PDT

Are We Really Surprised?

First off, let me just say that these two guys are far from the first that have treated women this way.  There is nothing new under the sun people.  I only saw the second half of the show today, so I only know about Mr. 132.  I think his name is Paul but I can't remember.  No disrespect to him, I'll just refer to him as Mr. 132 because people will recognise that.
I don't condone what he's doing.  By any means.  Let's not forget though, sex takes two - or three in some of his cases (as testified to by him).  The truth is, he probably hasn't settled on one woman because he hasn't found a woman that he considered worthy enough to be with forever.  Realistically, one day he will meet someone that he wants to be with.  What is more thought provoking is what he will do about his actions then.  Will he change just to be with her?  Becuase, that's not a good enough reason to change.  I don't care if she's the most fantastic woman in the world.  Mr. 132 should throw away his rap sheet when, and only when, he's decided he wants to.  If he gives up his lifestyle for a woman, one day he'll miss those days of reckless fun and sexual galavanting.  He'll get bitter and then he will blame his new unfulfilling life (as he esteems it is) on the woman he's with.  He'll become more detrimental to her than if he had just slept with her and moved on.
In the same regard, people have jumped all over Mr. 132 saying that he needs to repent and turn to God and change.  I think he needs a relationship with Christ just as much as anyone.  I hope for his sake (truly, his.  Not mine, I have yet to meet him face to face) that he finds a life that's more fulfilling.  That won't happen though until he sees a need to.  The last thing I want is for Mr. 132 to turn to God because a bunch of people posted that he change is ways or burn in the lake of fire.  If he doesn't actually repent and start communication with God on his own, he won't have much of a relationship with Him.  And, let us all remember that sin is sin in God's eyes.  It's not weighed out and measure according to our standards.  It's all the same.  Let's stop pointing out Mr. 132's sin to make ourselves feel better.
In conclusion, I've met a few Mr. 132's in my time.  I've been good friends with some and still am.  The others, well time took us away from each other.  I've read books by men like this.  I'm very curious by thier actions.  Really, I think you can't actually generalize because they all do it for thier own reasons.  One does it because he's been hurt by too many women and he wants to get them before they get him.  Another does it because he's working out his own insecurities.  In turth, there's only one reason they keep this behavior up.  Point blank, Mr. 132 does it because it is working for him.  If you want him to change, don't try to convince him that his system sucks.  He wrote a freaking book!  He dedicated his life to this system!  He's pretty confident that it freakin' works!  If you want him to change, hope and pray that he will seek out a healthier way to answer whatever question is bothering his subconcious.
 
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July 23, 2008, 4:22 am PDT

Give me a break

These men are pathetic.  I don't understand the attraction at all.  The Atlanta guy is not even attractive.  The NY guy is attractive, but that's it.  He admitted that he has been with prostitutes.  He must be sleeping with trash.  What kind of woman would meet a man on the streets, and go up to his apartment? Who would want to be on his list?    I would laugh at the Atlanta guy.  He does not know what women find attractive.

 
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July 23, 2008, 5:09 am PDT

Paul's poor closing ratio!!

I am a single woman who can see right through some ahole's game like that. I have to laugh at the terrible closing ratio that Paul has shown over the course of his lifetime, if his "Spread Sheet" only has 132 conquest, over say a 20 year period at an average of what he says as 10-12 "dates" per week, the loser is only closing 1.5% - If he has such "game" as he says, he's in last place with those numbers, the laugh's on you Paul, and now that you went on National TV - you are exposed, perhaps your ration will drop to 0.5% now. Too Bad!
 
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July 23, 2008, 7:03 am PDT

July 22,2008 show Male egos out of controll

It is rare I get to watch  afternoon TV, and I have never watched Dr phil before. I saw the show Tuesday 

7-22-08 with the two  idiots and jerks  called guys that exploit women. I  must say that  I was emarassed  for the male gender after watching those guys antics. Their behavior sickens me and im a guy (straight) , I cannot imagine what  it would be like to be a lady in a public place  and be confronted by one of those two (John and Paul) .  I cannot  imagine why  ANY woman in the world would want to keep company with either of those two.  Although I have saw beautiful ladies  of beauty, class and character "with" guys like that and for the life of me I do not understand it. at all !  A mentor  of mine once told me  you have to treat  your woman like a queen , if you expect her to treat  you  like a king!  Maybe I will get my chance one day.

There is a big difference between confidence and  being arrogant. I  was brought up to treat a lady like a lady and respect them . I  could stand to be moreself confindent, but if it means  beling like John and Paul I want no part of it !
 
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July 23, 2008, 7:25 am PDT

07/22 Male Egos Out of Control

It sickens me  watching those guys ( John and Paul ) and their childish antics. I am embarassed for the male gender and I am a guy (straight) and cannot imagine what it would be like to be a woman confronted by either John or Paul in a public place. I am an attractive looking guy I have been told  by others , but feel  that I could use more self confidence ,  there is a big difference between confidence  and arrogance and, if it means being like one of those two I want No part of it !  I was brought up to  treat a lady like a lady and respect them. A mentor once tell me that you have to treat your lady  like a Queen , if you expect her to treat you like a King.  Maybe I  will get my chance one day.I cannot comprehend why  ANY woman  would want to keep company with either of those two, although  I have witnessed women  of  class, beauty and character  out  "with" guys like  that in public. It  is obvious that they are miserable.   Honestly , I do not get it at all!  Sincerely  , Donnie F.
 
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July 23, 2008, 8:16 am PDT

Con Men

I can't stop laughing at this statement.  It made my day!  Thank you!!!

 

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The trouble is, I've met better con men - with better and more entertaining bulls*** than his - who sell plasma TVs at Best Buy.

 

 

 
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July 23, 2008, 8:24 am PDT

Losers that don't even know it (yet)!!

From another males point of view>> Jeez guys you are in your 30's, isn't it a time to get a real life!! Let me tell you studly#1 & studly#2, the age 40 comes at you real quick, and coming from a fitness nut myself, trust me- things change, and you might not be making some of the women's lists anymore!! Creating a relationship and getting laid are two different items, and I am so happy that I put the "relationship theory" first because although my magic number isn't 132, I am happily married with a wonderful child. You might not know it yet, but you are really headed for some regrets!
 
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July 23, 2008, 8:33 am PDT

07/22 Male Egos Out of Control

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I am a married man of 28 years and I have been playing this game for over 30 years. Women hate me but I sleep with all the ones I want. I sleep with my wifes friends family friends girls wives etc.   It's all a game. Women I would not say are gulible but they are fully aware of what is happening.I agree with your guest as long as it is consenual.  I am now 48 years old and I am only now slowing down only because I choose not to do it anymore. I have it to a point where my wife has chosen women for me.  It is about ego's I have to admit when I go out all I think about is  CLOSE CLOSE CLOSE.  there was a point in my life where I would run the same game on different girls  ex: meet at a certain time say 7 pm  kiss her at a certain time say 7:45 and sleep with her at a certain time by 11 pm .  It was a game. Worked at least 12 times in a row. The fun was over where I did not kiss her on time.  Still slept with her and moved on. Recently in the past month or so I was running three women same game   still married mind you. All aware of each other thinking they are the one . Had to pull away from the scene  all knew each other. They are all still wondering what happened. And all I have to do is pick up the phone.    I love my wife with all my heart  but there is a n addiction to this game that I love.  The chase the conquer the kill.  Sorry ladies we are out there and we do conquer.  If you don't want the game run on you stay home and lock the door.  By the way I ran a game where it cost the one  girl $298,000.00  and another almost a million.  My money is running low so I may have to run another game soon. I live off this stuff. So yes the game exist and more power to the people who know how to play.
You have a sexual addition.  Please see a counselor for this.  Also. get marriage counseling.  Both of you do need to go to a clinic to see if you have sexually transmitted diseases.  That your wife has stayed in this marriage is a miracle.  But, PLEASE, get help.
 
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July 23, 2008, 8:36 am PDT

loss of humanity - male ego out of control

I found it very interesting that at this very time when the show “male egos out of control”

was aired, I am actually reading the book SEX GOD  by Rob Bell.

Part of what I had just recently read is this: (sounds like Paul to me!)

“A friend of mine talks honestly about how he spent years exploiting women for sex. He knew exactly what to say, how to act. He was a master at finding a woman who had a troubled relationship with her father and manipulating the situation for his pleasure. The first time he was telling me his story, he made a profound point that is true for all of us. He said that exploiting women for sex didn’t just rob them of their humanity, it robbed him as well. As the years went on, he found that he didn’t like what was happening to him. He was becoming less human in the process.

He said he was becoming a monster.

In treating women as objects, he was losing something of his own humanity. Somewhere along the way he came to his senses. He was repulsed by the person he was becoming. He describes it as a ‘rebirth’ in which for the first time he saw things as they really are. Several years later, my friend came across a group that works undercover in Southeast Asia to free young girls from the sex trade. In remote rural areas, girls are kidnapped and brought to the city, where they are forced to work as prostitutes. My friend signed up and recently went undercover on a ‘mission,’ rescuing girls and helping them start a new life. I was with him when he showed a group of people a picture of him surrounded by the girls he had helped rescue. People were blown away by the picture.”

I sincerely hope that John has such a personal revelation. If he already walks away from girls mid sentence if they do not meet his ‘criteria’ – he already is losing his humanity.

Interesting quote from the same book – “A concentration camp is designed to strip people of their humanity. It’s anti-human.”

Becoming less human results in bringing us to a similar status of animals.

 “Have you ever seen a dog concerned that its life just isn’t going anywhere?

A cat reflecting?

A horse not feeling centered?

Animals have a physical body but no spirit.”

They, too, have sexual lives. Urges. Instincts. Mindless. On the prowl.

It greatly saddens me to see John diminishing his humanity and that of others.

This mentality is so pervasive, to greater and lesser degrees….again from SEX GOD-

“Picture a group of high school boys standing by their lockers when a girl walks by. One of the boys asks, ‘How do you rate that?’ They then take turns assigning numerical values to the various parts of her anatomy, discussing in great detail how they evaluate her physical attributes.

This scenario happens all the time, all over the world, every day. It’s a pastime for some. There are television shows and websites and endless discussions all devoted to deciding who’s hot and who’s not. It’s an industry, a form of entertainment, a culture.

And it’s everywhere.

The problem is that ‘that’ is actually a ‘she’. A person. A woman.With a name, a history, with feelings. It seems harmless until you’re that girl – and then it hurts. It’s degrading. It’s violating. It does something to a person’s soul.”

I found it revealing that John couldn’t even live with the ‘rejection’ from the one gal…

He had to turn it around so in his own mind HE was the one doing the rejecting.

I am thinking every woman in the audience already was thinking Paul has lost his humanity.

It would be interesting to do a follow up show of the 132 women on the spread sheet to see if they felt like they were stripped of their humanity. Exploited. De-humanized.

 
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July 23, 2008, 9:25 am PDT

Run Women Run

Unbelievable!!!  I am a very attractive woman with a successful career, a nice home, am intelligent and go to the gym but I would NEVER go near a man like John or Paul.  I do not find John the least bit attractive physically and as soon as he opens his mouth, he made me want to puke.  The things that he feels the need to share in his "standard" email reply are things that you share slowly, over time, as you are getting to know somebody.  I think the reason he feels he has to share all of this before the first date is that he knows he will not get a second date. John stated that he has been single for 5 years - with that personality, he will be single for the next 30 years as well.

 

As for Paul, he is attractive but obviously still a little boy mentally.  What kind of a grown man feels the need to let the world know exactly how many women he has been intimate with and admits to keeping a spreadsheet?  Not one of the accomplished women I know would want to anything to do with him. Getting women is not difficult, keeping them is! 

 

Both men may have good educations and some accomplishments but those things only take you so far.  As far as I am concerned what they need to learn can not be taught at Harvard or accomplished by having been in major motion pictures (as a nobody).  They both need the extended course on "How not to be a loser in the dating world"; I think ALL of the women watching would agree.

 

It's great that these men are happy with the person they are - because that is all they will have . . . themselves.  Empty lives!

 

 

 
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