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Topic : 07/22 Male Egos Out of Control

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Created on : Friday, May 02, 2008, 01:25:28 pm
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(Original Air Date: 05/07/08) Ladies, listen up as Dr. Phil sheds light on men to avoid! You know the type: They can turn you off with their confidence, offend you with their arrogance and make you wonder if they actually hate women. He’s talking to men with out-of-control egos! John was dubbed The Worst Person in the World after sending what many would describe as a nasty, egotistical e-mail to a woman who rejected him on an Internet dating site. John admits he has a big ego but says he’s "all that and a bag of chips!" Don’t miss what happens when cameras follow John to a bar where he works his magic on the women! Then, meet Paul, a self-proclaimed Casanova who says men need to act more like cavemen. Paul says he’s proud of the fact that he’s slept with over 132 women and keeps a spreadsheet of his conquests. He says he’s so good at getting women into bed that he’s written a How To manual for men. Paul’s techniques are put to the test when he secretly coaches an introvert in a crowded club. Plus, one woman whom Paul couldn’t add to his spreadsheet joins him onstage. Where does she say he went wrong? Talk about the show here.

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May 12, 2008, 8:05 am PDT

Hmmmmmmm!

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by the way,  I rewatched the segment with the girl from NYC who "dated" the hustler from NYC for months. She is sitting up there,  making crude statements to the men, and throwing insults.

Why isn't anyone criticizing her?

She even admitted  she does the same thing herself. She has sex with lots of men in NYC, and writes about it. She may not have a spreadsheet, but she keep a "list", you better believe it.

 

I would not go near that woman with a 10 foot pole either. She is no different than he is. Why is she drunk and going to this guys apt at 2am? Maybe she should look in the mirror?

 

And what about all the women who respond to these guys on the streets? Did you see their smiles? Did you see how some of them were making dates?

So bash the men if you want to, but it takes 2 to tango, and the women are no different.

 

As a man, I am disgusted by the behvaior of most women these days. It used to be about 10% of women were running around sleeping with every guy on the block. Now, its probably 80%, maybe more.

So why are women attacking these guys only?

If the guys are pigs, the women are the same.

 

Fewer than 1 in 10 attractive women I meet these days has any sense of decency and morality about her. Every woman wants to imitate Sex in The City.

So stop just bashing men, most women are the same these days.

 

And its a drag. But I refuse to  give up, one day I will find a decent woman, but its very difficult now...very rare.

 

 

How do you know they gave their real phone number? They very easily could have jotted down anything just to get rid of the guy. It's funny, my husband said that to me as soon as he saw the women do it. I agree that some, and I said some, women have extremely low morals and it disgusts me but if that is the only type of woman that you can find then maybe you are looking in the wrong places!
 
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May 12, 2008, 8:26 am PDT

Exactly!

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"REAL MEN" are: Men that have self-worth, high values, trustworthy, they are not afraid of commitments nor to love, or show their true feelings, they are considerate to women and genuine.

They treat their woman with respect, as their equal and there are no mind games.

Both Dr. Phil and my husband fit this description. They are "REAL MEN" with lots of sex appeal!!

"SEX APPEAL" is much more than just "LOOKS"

LOOKS fade in the long run... personality last for a lifetime!!

You know, men just don't seem to get that little piece of reality. Or maybe they plan to trade their women in when their looks begin to fade. And for some men, they are positively delusional about their own looks, John for instance? I'm sure that you've noticed that these men always talk about wanting a hot chick. They never mention anything such as, kind hearted, supportive, great personality, etc. It's like they think on a whole different and much lower level than we women do. They have absolutely no idea what we are really looking for in a man. As you said, self worth, high values, trustworthy, and let's not forget integrity. Luckily I also managed to find a man that has all of those quality's. To be perfectly honest, you can have a man with all of those characteristics and he's really not that handsome but us women do not notice. He emits sex appeal like crazy. I know some women who are not exactly pretty but they have enough sex appeal for 20 women. It has nothing to do with looks. The brain is the biggest sexual organ in our body, too bad that so many men prefer to use the tiny one between their legs instead. Maybe it's because the brain inside their skull is no larger than a pea? An ant? an amoeba? They are not just immature, they barley qualify for fetus status! Take care, Sincerely, Jewels
 
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May 12, 2008, 9:17 am PDT

NO!

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Don't women read books about and fantasize about men like John and Paul, because they surely don't fantasize about the nice guys,  that gonna love and support them, and willing to be by their side until death-do-you-part.
The day that I fantasize about someone like John or Paul is the day I poke my eyes out and stick an ice pick in my brain. I'll give myself a lobotomy!
 
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May 12, 2008, 9:33 am PDT

Pastor?

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When the panel guest John made mention of a profile that had 4 headshots  it clearly meanst generally that the woman has issues with her weight...  I have been on the dating scene for a number of years.. and yes Pastors, preachers and ministers do go to online dating sites.. remember that we too are made of flesh and bone just like you.

Oftentimes, If i saw a profile that only had headshots... it  had the tendency of being that a woman had issues with her weight...

A couple of years ago I met a woman on Christian Cafe... only met her online but not in person... The profile was nicely written... the weight description said: "That's personal" which raised a red flag .. but I looked at her photos and she looked fine.. some of them were blurry and when i asked her about the photos she simply told me that they were taken some 6 years ago.  I replied with WOW.. that is not very honest... after which I would ask her to send me recent photos.. she would say that she didnt have a camera... then i said to send me some photos from her digital camera..

Guess what she sent.. a headshot !
She made a grave mistake.. it was a mirror shot and the mirror showed the reflection of her backside bouncing off the other hotel mirror. I got to see her backside and it was big... but i thought i would give her the benefit of the doubt.

When we finally agreed to meet I drove up to Orlando and i waited for her in my car outside a restaurant.  When she finally got out of the car this girl was HUGE...  Rosie ODonnel huge..

I went through with the date... and the following day until it was time for me to go home on Sunday for the 4 hour drive back home to Miami.

We talked once in that week and she asked me " Is there something wrong... ?  Did my exterior shock you ? "   What could I say at that point. ?

I had to be honest and told her exactly what i thought.. and went further to say that I thought it was dishonest of her to post photos of herself taken 6 years back. I also told her that she should practice being honest and that if she was to find love let it be the man that likes big women.

Isn't there someone for each one of  us out there in the world.

Zach

If you're a Pastor then I think that you should get a few more morals and values. Maybe even read the good book a few more times. I certainly have nothing against you dating, I know that you are in fact human but, you are very critical. I think that you of all people should be able to look beyond the surface of someone. Well, maybe when it's time for you to be judged by God at the Pearly Gates he will also be critical of you.

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 
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May 12, 2008, 9:51 am PDT

I was wondering...................

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The "Worst Person In the World" was taken out of context.  Remember that the woman Page replied to was looking specifically for men who made in the hundred's of thousands in the salary range- looking for a rich hubby to mooch on.  Then she got intimidated and dropped out- but his response was still inappropriate.  If someone doesn't want to date you, move on to better catches.  She wasn't worth the sardonicism, save it for those more worthy of your scathing wit. 

 

As for Paul, he's just nasty.  Sleeping with 100+ women is not a turn on to most women.  Sleeping with someone you just met isn't a conquest, and probably not someone you'd want to sleep with in the first place.  I'm curious as to what defense the walking STD is going to use.  But it's not just about the sex, it's about  his whole women-hatred and subsequent victimization by acting like a cave-man looking for some poor female to crap all over.

When you would put your 2 cents in. I totally agree with everything you said about Paul but why the bashing for the woman who politely turned down John? She WAS polite about it. He's the one that went berserk over it! So what if she prefers a man that earns a certain income. Maybe she earns that much herself and doesn't want someone looking to be taken care of by her. I don't know if you've ever noticed but many, many of the men on these on line dating clubs are looking for a woman who matches their income also. I went into one for fun one day, both me and my hubby out of curiosity, and most of the men that earned over 6 figures were very precise in what their qualifications in a date had to be. It was pretty amazing, she has to earn over 6 figures, have a degree such as a Masters (nothing less than that), work out daily, the list goes on and on. They have VERY high standards. So why can't the women set a few standards themselves? The only reason she turned him down was because he was so into himself and it turned her off. Again, she was very polite about it and didn't deserve the reprehensible bashing that she received from him.  

 
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May 12, 2008, 11:28 am PDT

Don't blame the Catholic Religion

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I kept a list not for the reasons that most people would think. During my heyday before accepting Jesus Christ as my Lord and Saviour during 1989-1991 I had a rule that I only had sex with women on Thursday thru Sunday. At the time I was catholic and if you know anything about growing up catholic it was ok to sin because all we had to do is confess our sins to a priest on Friday. That usually followed by reciting a couple of hail Marys.   I always played it safe and used a condom but in very rare ocassions I did not. I used to go out every single night in Miami and the Steven Seagal look was in at the time and of course I had long hair all one length down to my back.

I am Latin, tall at  6'2", trim and tanned but none of that will get a girls number.. its all about the Labia.. in other words what you say and how you say it. Pretty much like Paul that was on the show who obviously exudes confidence. When i had sex with a woman it wasn't the same woman I met on the same night but rather the ones I met the week before or two weeks before that.   For me , I value the art of conversation rather than going on the dance floor and trying to make heads or tails of what a person is trying to say amidst the noise of the music playing. 

I kept a list which was more of Larger than Large Black book where a woman's information such as her history, her vitals were kept.  I was not much of a praying man at the time since I was Catholic but in the back of my mind there was always the IF someday I would get something from one of my partners. I essentially kept the womens contact information just in case i needed to refer back to them in the event there was a health issue.  I have always been a private person so my idea was not to use the list of conquests for boasting. I really did enjoy the company of women and treating them well.  Like a Man should treat a woman.  I was surprised about that time when I met  a woman that kept a similar list of the men in her life who she had sex with.  It can work both ways.

In 1991, I accepted  God's calling to Ministry were I am presently operating in the gifts that the Holy Spirit empowers me in but I use this old environment to speak and mentor other men with similar backgrounds.  Testimony is a powerful word and to be used as a vessel to reach the lost and witness to the unsaved letting them know that there is an alternative to that lifestyle.

Be Blessed

Zach


 

Listen, just because you sucked as a Catholic doesn't mean you should blame the Church for your own lack of morals, or for your inability to pray.  You say Catholics can do whatever they want, when they want, because all they have to do is go to confession.  You really are not very well educated.  Confessing to the Priest follows Jesus' example of offering forgiveness to those who confessed their sins, but then He said GO AND SIN NO MORE - and that is exactly how the sacrament of Reconciliation is to be done.  If you thought you could behave in whatever unseemly ways you wanted to and it would all be fine because of confession, then you were an ignorant Catholic.  Not the Church's fault.  And you say you weren't much of a praying man because you were a Catholic?  You weren't much of a praying man because you weren't much of a CHRISTIAN.  Catholics are Christian, and we follow the same biblical principals as all Christians, so of course we are called to "pray ceaselessly".  Again, don't blame your own ignorance and lack of education or morals on the Church.  blech.

 
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May 12, 2008, 1:49 pm PDT

Casanova

I would like to purchase a copy of Casanovas instruction manual on how yo get woman for my brother-in-law. We want to see just what makes it so great.

Thank you

Michelle

 
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May 12, 2008, 8:47 pm PDT

Perhaps a missed diagnosis?

While it would be improper for me to believe I could make a diagnosis from the presentation made on a talk show, these men all exhibited quite a few of the characteristics of Asperger Syndrome.  Aspergers is a high functioning form of autism in which the person does not really possess the capability of putting themselves in another's shoes.  They do not really consider how others think/feel.  In brief, "they just don't get it"

 

This syndrome was not described in the American literature when these men were children, and thus persons of this age are often considered "different", but do not have a diagnosis.

 

Please consult  IANproject.org (Interactive Autism Network.org) for an article on Asperger Syndrome described by adults that were not diagnosed when they were children.

 

Anger at  persons with Asperger syndrome will not be helpful to them or others.  However, social skills can be taught. 

 
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May 13, 2008, 2:13 am PDT

You Said It!

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I just finished watching this show.  I surely was not impressed with John and didn't find him nice looking at all.  if I were single I wouldn't even give him a second look.  My opinion with Paul?  Perhaps he has a death wish? For a single guy to go on national t.v. and declare how many women he has slept with truely show's how imature he is. I wonder if he's been tested for all the various diseases he could have  and be spreading it with all the women he sleeps with.  I am happily married, and my husband is a 6'5" gorgeous Army Solider who serves his Country.  He is better looking than these 2 dingbats!  I side with the women who spoke up!  I just love watching Dr. Phil!!

Your husband, my husband and every man who RESPECTS women are REAL men.

 

These two wingnuts clearly are making up for a lack of something in their character whether it's mentally (obviously), emotionally (retarded), spiritually (sadly) and physically (my bet).

 

Bet they made their mothers proud that day.

 
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May 13, 2008, 9:31 am PDT

Very Doubtful!

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While it would be improper for me to believe I could make a diagnosis from the presentation made on a talk show, these men all exhibited quite a few of the characteristics of Asperger Syndrome.  Aspergers is a high functioning form of autism in which the person does not really possess the capability of putting themselves in another's shoes.  They do not really consider how others think/feel.  In brief, "they just don't get it"

 

This syndrome was not described in the American literature when these men were children, and thus persons of this age are often considered "different", but do not have a diagnosis.

 

Please consult  IANproject.org (Interactive Autism Network.org) for an article on Asperger Syndrome described by adults that were not diagnosed when they were children.

 

Anger at  persons with Asperger syndrome will not be helpful to them or others.  However, social skills can be taught. 

Seriously!! You really think this is really  a possible explanation? Do you know someone with Aspergers, because the info you posted is only partially factual and very limited. While each person with this syndrome do exhibit some similar traits the diagnosis of this syndrome is an extensive process and is very multifaceted.  It amazes me how many times when people do irresponsible and/or stupid things the need to 'diagnose' a syndrome/condition is overwhelming.

 

How about sometimes it just is what it is??!! 

 
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