Topic : 05/16 Spanking Scandals

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Is physical punishment a necessary form of discipline or child abuse? First up, Monica says her five children bite, kick and talk back, and she often has to resort to beatings with a belt. Monica admits she made her four oldest children miss meals and tied their hands together until they learned to like each other. Her husband, Marshall, says Monica disciplines in anger and admits that he also hits their children out of frustration. Renowned pediatrician Dr. Jim Sears says what Monica is doing is not discipline, but abuse. Can he help the frazzled mom bring some peace to her chaotic household? Then, Elizabeth sent her 12-year-old son, Joey, to a school with a corporal punishment policy and was shocked when he came home with what she says were severe bruises. She says Joey’s beating was so severe she had to pull him out of school, and now she’s worried he won’t ever go back. How can Elizabeth and her son move past the shame? Plus, Dr. Phil hears from both sides of the spanking debate. Keila is a teacher who believes in corporal punishment and has even paddled a few students herself. Peggy is an anti-spanking advocate who says states that allow spanking also have the highest number of incarcerations and school drop-outs. What does Dr. Phil think? Join the discussion.

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May 16, 2008, 4:37 pm PDT

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DR PHIL,  I USUALLY ALWAYS AGREE WITH YOUR ADVICE. BUT I HAVE TO SAY THAT I FEEL YOU ARE WAY OFF WITH THE SPANKING THING. I FIRST WANT TO SAY THAT I DONT BELIEVE IN ANYONE TOUCHING  KIDS UNLESS ITS THE PARENTS AND I DONT BELIEVE IN ABUSING CHILDREN MENTALLY OR PHYSICALLY. HOWEVER, EVER SINCE THE BEGINNING OF TIME KIDS HAVE BEEN SPANKED. I GREW UP WITH JUST MY MOTHER. SHE WAS A GREAT MOM. SHE SPANKED ME WHEN I MISBEHAVED, BUT ALWAYS EXPLAINED WHY SHE HAD TOO. SHE NEVER WENT "TOO FAR".  PLUS SHE WAS ALWAYS AFFECTIONATE, LOVING AND SUPPORTIVE. WHEN I MIS BEHAVED I WAS SPANKED AND I WILL TELL YOU I WAS NEVER SPANKED FOR THE SAME THING TWICE. IN FACT I WAS HARDLY SPANKED BECAUSE I WAS AFRAID OF MISBEHAVING BECAUSE I FEARED THE SPANKING OR UPSETTING MY MOTHER TO THAT DEGREE. AS I GOT OLDER I RESPECTED MY MOTHER FOR IT. I ALSO DISAGREE WITH THE DR YOU HAD ON YOUR SHOW. I WAS SPANKED, MY BROTHERS, MY COUSINS, FREINDS, ETC... AND NONE OF US HAD SPINAL PROBLEMS, TESTICLE ISSUES ETC... I AGREE THAT SOME PEOPLE LIKE THE WOMAN ON YOUR SHOW MAY TAKE IT TOO FAR, BUT A SPANKING THAT IS HARD ENOUGH TO JUST STING ON THE BUTT OR ENOUGH TO HURT THE CHILDS FEELINGS OR MAKE THEM REALIZE THERE ARE CONCEQUENCES FOR BAD BEHAVIOR IS HEALTHY AND NECESSARY. I ABSOLUTELY DISAGREE WITH YOU THAT KIDS GET MIXED SIGNALS. THAT IS JUST RIDICULOUS. I GUESS I AM OLD SCHOOL AND THINK THAT KIDS TODAY ARE SPOILED, INDULGED, NEGLECTED BECAUSE OF BOTH PARENTS HAVING TO WORK.  I CANT BELIEVE THE WAY KIDS ACT TODAY. i HAVE FREINDS WHO SPANKED THERE KIDS AND THEY ARE CLOSE WITH THEM NOW AND THEY TURNED OUT TO BE GREAT, RESPECT FULL KIDS AND/OR ADULTS. IT IS A DIFFERENT TIME THAN WHEN I GREW UP IN THE 70'S. BUT AN OLD FASHIONED SPANKING  (NOT A BEATING) I TRULY BELIEVE IS HEALTHY. TIME OUTS, GETTING TV, CELL PHONES, ETC... TAKEN AWAY IS GOOD TOO FOR DISIPLINE. BUT  KIDS THAT ARE NOT DISIPLINED PROPERLY ARE USUALLY DISRESPECTFUL BRATS.  THE KIDS ARE OUR FUTURE AND THEY NEED TO LEARN WHAT IS THE RIGHT WAY TO ACT AND THE WRONG WAY TOWARDS PARENTS, FREINDS, TEACHERS AND SOCIETY IN GENERAL. KIDS NEED TO LEARN AND UNDERSTAND YOUNG THAT THERE ARE CONSEQUENCES TO THEIR ACTIONS.

 Kids DO NOT HAVE TO BE SPANKED FOR THEM  TO LEARN HOW TO BE RESPECTFUL, CONTRIBUTING ADULTS. I COULD NEVER HARM MY KIDS, AND THEY ARE RESPECTFUL, CONTRIBUTING, POLITE, COURTEOUS, HELPFUL AND HAVE SO MANY WONDERFUL QUALITIES. 
 
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May 16, 2008, 4:38 pm PDT

Shame on you, Dr. Phil!

 I cannot believe that you had a teacher with a mere 3 years of teaching experience on your show to discuss discipline in schools! I'm not sure what you were trying to prove, but I'm disgusted to be considered her colleague!  Paddling is an antiquated form of discipline and though some schools approve of the method, it doesn't mean that teachers need to utilize it.  In my opinion, using spanking as a form of discipline is equivalent to using cursing as a means of communication.  It is useless and demonstrates a lack of self-respect and class. 

 

In addition to Keila's inexperienced knowledge of discipline in schools, I was appalled that she stated that she feels badly when she has to paddle a "good" child, but not when she paddles others.  Is she implying that there are "bad" children out there?  That some children DESERVE to be paddled?  This is an outrageous opinion for an educator who supposedly loves and believes in children! 

 

I believe that successful behavioral management begins with consistency and continues with high expectations. It's also important for children to know that you believe in their ability to make good decisions and in the face of poor decisions, you care about them and don't hold their mistakes against them. I try to teach children to take ownership of their behavior and feel empowered in their ability to do the right thing.  Of course this tactic isn't 100% successful, but even when it isn't, corporal punishment is only a means of submission and teaches them to live in a climate of fear. 

 
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May 16, 2008, 4:39 pm PDT

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This lady is crazy to say that the older generation is more messed up than her generation!  The new "time out" generation are the ones that are shooting our kids in schools and making the crime rate increase at an alarming rate. These new moms should try spanking and maybe their friends and family will stop talking about their spoiled brat kids behind their backs.

Please do not misunderstand what I said....I am not advocating spanking. I am very clear on the fact that parents need to stop being lazy and use "creative discipline and creative parenting".

 

These kids are brats because they are screaming for genuine discipline, attention and boundaries. When you do not give your children boundaries, they will push and push until you do. It starts when they are little. You can't be lazy and wishy-washy and allow them to be out of control from the time they are born,  and then suddenly, when they become teenagers, and their behavior is off the hook, crack down and expect good results!

 

Use your brain....not your hand! Anyone can smack a child around....it takes true intelligence to stay one step ahead of the little varmints and figure out ways to make them WANT to behave!

 
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May 16, 2008, 4:40 pm PDT

never say never

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I'll make this real short.  No person should ever have the right to physically harm another person.  When we do this all we are sending is the message that violence can be the solution to a problem.  How can that ever be true.

There are no absolutes in life. The fact thet spanking is used to infoce discipline does not make it abuse. Abuse is abuse. Ther are terms to define it. Discipline is discipline. It is a tough business. Some times spanking is necessary to teach a childe that ther are some lines that can NEVER be crossed What so ever. parenting is about doing the right thing not only the nice thing.

 

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May 16, 2008, 4:41 pm PDT

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Race never came into the conversation here. Walk a day in the life of a teacher any where in America and you will see just how children act when they are not in the presence of there parents.   another teacher who can't spell it's 'their' you should know this ...
I believe you're the one who can't spell!!  "They are" or "they're" is correct.
 
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May 16, 2008, 4:44 pm PDT

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Spanking in our society is done usually as a last resort because parents are frustrated.  If we were more consistent with our kids and held ourselves (and then them) to the standard of respect, kindness and honesty, we would have less frustration and more results.  Kids DO what they SEE, not what we tell them!!!  "Spanking" or chastisement is a useful tool in a toolbox full of options - loss of privileges, reflective time outs, acts of taking personal responsibility, offering restitution, and others - for parents who are actively pursuing the training of their child's heart.  It should never be used by a mom or dad who reactively parent in frustration. 

 

"Spanking" is a very private and serious event.  To approach the child that God entrusted to your care and responsibility with physical correction MUST be done in love and brokenness with the big picture in mind for the child - training them for the future.  It should never happen in public or with a highly emotionally charged parent...then it is just striking out in anger...not correcting the child...this is abuse because it damages the child and the relationship they have with their parent.

 

I ache for the parents and children alike who are frustrated, wounded and hopeless about their relationships with each other.  I grew up in a home with parents who struck out every time they were angry - usually because I made a mistake that embarrassed them or infringed upon their time.  By the grace of God, I have learned a different way and my home is full of grace and joy.  My children have been spanked when they have committed certain offenses but they are aware of their choices.  If I am angry or upset, we wait until everyone is ready for the spanking...including me!  I have three children - ages 7, 10, and 11.  I haven't spanked my 10 or 11 year old for so long I don't remember the last time.  My 7 year old still has the occasional spanking but there are really so many more useful options for training her now...losing freedoms or privileges hurt her far more at her age than a spanking!!! 

 

I am so thankful that I had that tool available when they were younger and that I learned to do it with love and compassion.  I am also thankful that there are so many other options as they get older that bring repentance and heart change in my them more effectively.

 

 

I grew up with the motto spare the rod, spoil the child, and always said I would not ever spank, hit or degrade my children. Well that was not to be. What I would have liked to see on this show was Dr Phil actually tell the parents on this show how they were supposed to deal with a child that constantly defies you. The little girl was totally out of control ( is she a canidate for Brat Camp?)  I kept waiting to hear some advice as to handle these situations, it never came.  The parents are going to get help for their problems, but what of those of us who can't afford that.  What do you do with a child who will go for hours screaming, ranting and raving?

 
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May 16, 2008, 4:45 pm PDT

Misbehavior In School

I believe that if a child is disruptive in class the punishment should be that a parent has to accompany them to school and sit in class with them. OK...sometimes you cannot get off work but it can be a Grandparent or Aunt anyone family member of authority. Depending on the offence maybe one day maybe two. I think the school should be able to make it a manatory dictate and parents must comply.

 

Teachers are there to teach it is a parents job to teach behavior. When my son came home with a report card with comments he talked in class I made him right a formal apolagy to the teacher, as well as grounding him. He was in Hight School and it was humiliating to him. I told him "I can't make you take advantage of your education and learn but it is my job to teach you manners and By God you will not disrespect your teacher while you live in this house."   It worked!

 
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May 16, 2008, 4:45 pm PDT

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I believe you're the one who can't spell!!  "They are" or "they're" is correct.
Oh..that was priceless! Thank you!
 
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May 16, 2008, 4:45 pm PDT

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"And yes, there is a difference between getting a beating and getting spanked."

Every spanker says this...even the ones who use switches and paddles...

Did your brothers get into trouble for not watching you properly?

Also, my daughter is barely 4 years old and she already understands about fire and matches. We have had lessons on it, and discussions about fire. I also keep them locked up where she can't get them. I also don't leave her to be watched by other children.


Yes, my brothers got in trouble too. The matches and candles were locked up, but my sister and I got to them and we went into the bathroom because we knew that water put out fire...that is why our dad spanked us. He didn't want us to go near them again, and we never did/ And my brothers were 17 and 18 at the time, so my parents didn't leave me in the care of other children.
 
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May 16, 2008, 4:49 pm PDT

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I grew up with the motto spare the rod, spoil the child, and always said I would not ever spank, hit or degrade my children. Well that was not to be. What I would have liked to see on this show was Dr Phil actually tell the parents on this show how they were supposed to deal with a child that constantly defies you. The little girl was totally out of control ( is she a canidate for Brat Camp?)  I kept waiting to hear some advice as to handle these situations, it never came.  The parents are going to get help for their problems, but what of those of us who can't afford that.  What do you do with a child who will go for hours screaming, ranting and raving?

If your kid had a broken leg would you just said "We can't afford to fix it, it's too expensive."

I don't get how people think that it's ok to ignore illnesses of the human brain. It's NOT ok to ignore illnesses of any other part of the body, but the brain...yeah, just ignore it, it will go away?

How old is your child?  I had a lot of emotional problems that were completely ignored. I threw chairs at my teachers. I would talk about suicide...and I was 11-12 years old! My parents thought it was a discipline problem.

Now, at the age of 29 I am finally in therapy and I am finally getting better....something MY PARENTS should have just buckled down and paid for 17 years ago.
 

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