Topic : 05/20 The Dr. Phil House: Brat Camp

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Have you got a whiny, crying, tantrum-throwing, feet-stomping, door-slamming, spoiled or entitled child? When you ask your child to clean up his or her room does World War III break out? Have you ever thought, Who is running this house, me or my 9-year-old? Four families who say their kids are out of control move out of their madhouse and into The Dr. Phil House. This is no summer camp … it’s Brat Camp! Skylin and Robert are newlyweds with a blended family of five kids. Robert’s two boys, Andrew, 12, and Micah, 8, constantly torment their new sister, Kaitlyn, 8, which causes yelling, crying, screaming and chaos. Helen and Tony recently divorced, but one thing they agree on is that their 9-year-old son, Ethan, lies, steals, cheats and bullies other kids. Lisa says her teen daughter, Haley, is spoiled and unappreciative. Wendy is a single mom who lost her daughter two years ago to brain cancer, and now her 10-year-old son, Noah’s, behavior has spiraled out of control. Are you in a constant battle with your child? It’s time to step up, take back control and create a happy, healthy and peaceful family. Talk about the show here.

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June 3, 2008, 8:14 am PDT

05/20 The Dr. Phil House: Brat Camp

Quote From: luvlere

i have 4 kids (ages 15-9), not all angels by far but not one throws a temper tantrum. they would'nt dream of it. i know this for a fact because i have never thrown one for them to learn. my advise to all those parents out there who are too exhausted to cry yourself to sleep is this.... sounds simple but it is not. go to walmart and buy a hamper with a lid on it, and a frisbee wrap it up in gift paper and place on the table for when the child gets home.when he/she asks what the gift is for reply this is a gift for US. explain that each week 1 gift will be bought (not buying attention dont think that, im very against it...read on...) each night a chore is given to BOTH child and adult to do together, start off with small chores , get the idea of  the game in their head easily. now the kicker you have to help with the chore everytime!! then when the chore is done the child gets one hour with you. no cell phones, no tv, no work, no bills, nothing!!!  if he doesnt do the chore you go out side and toss the frisbee to yourself for 30 minutes and come in and say wow that was fun! hopefully tomorrow you can join. during this game time you can not ridicule or be negative in anyway!!! if the child even tries to be rude stop the game!  i am not saying this will cure all but im telling you, 3 of my kids have ADD/ADHD it makes a huge difference. all they need is 1 on 1 time  where they are safe. later put a pen and paper in the basket get creative.

the child can not use the toys,books,cards  in the basket outside of your "fun" time togher. you can never break the rules  or your child will 2 times more.

when my son who is severly head strong like his mom has a hard time  in life it is amazing how throwing a ball around and not pushing him to talk gets him talking. good luck and remember how you treat them now is exactly how they will treat you when you are elderly and the rolls have switched

Isn't going outside and throwing the frisbee to yourself, kind of ridiculing your child? I mean, saying something like, "Boy that was fun I wish you could've joined!" sounds like you are demeaning your child. You almost have it, just don't act like your kid is an idiot and they don't see how stupid mommy looks playing frisbee by herself.
 
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June 3, 2008, 8:51 am PDT

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I have to agree with you!  Parents are so scared now to displine their children.  I have 4 young boys and my 2 oldest have been spanked and when the 2 youngest are old enough they will be as well if needed.  It is not abuse it is discpline that EVERY child needs!

Just my opinion!

I've mostly raised 2 beautiful, respectful, happy children.......(still have a couple of years to go) without EVERY laying a hand on them!!!!   It's harder to parent without hitting, hitting is the lazy way out!
 
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June 3, 2008, 10:36 am PDT

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ridiculing? no not at all.is it stupid that so many kids go outside and play ball by them selfs? no. but i promise there is not one kid on earth who would pass up playing with their parent. it is ok to get down to their level and act goofy. you can still be a grown up. way too many parents  would rather sit on the phone or watch tv then to actually go outside and play with the kids. the reason i say outside by yourself is to make sure you know that you are not off the hook either. show the child that you will  give that time, hell or high water.

this game is much harder for the adults then the kids.all the kid has to do is a few chores, the parent has to actually follow through from beginning to end every night with out once putting the child aside for their on agenda

 
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June 3, 2008, 2:28 pm PDT

Noah needs to learn some R.E.S.P.E.C.T.!

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At this point is doesn't matter that Noah is on national tv, his classmates I'm sure are perfectly aware of his issues. Did you not hear that he has been written up in school 5 times already and that he hit the principal? I do not think they are as clueless as you think. As a matter of fact they also talked about how Noah blames everyone else for his problems, he's aways right and everyone else is always wrong, not just his mother. Don't throw Dr. Phil under the bus over this, I don't believe he's doing this for ratings, he's actually trying to help these people. They just never understand what he has to say. And yes, some of these kids are in fact brats! Ethan anyone? I do think Wendy has some parenting issues and I think I've made it pretty clear in my posts about it, we lost a child also but you can't stop living and you have to be there and be strong for your other children who are still with you. And one more thing about Wendy on the airplane, why did she reuse to turn her music down when Noah asked? She is very childish and brattish herself. She lowers herself to a child's behavior. I'm not throwing her under the bus either but she needs to earn her son's respect. Normally I would NEVER say this because I feel that children need to respect their parents, but when she lowers herself she loses respect. Dr. Phil always provides counseling (for free) and I'm sure he will offer it to these family's as well. It's up to them to take it and learn from it.

 Noah is the most horrible child I have ever seen. Everyone is getting on Wendy's case. If I had
a child that acted like Noah I would have a hard time dealing or loving a child like that.
What is wrong with society that we have to earn the respect of our children, give me a break.!
What happened to respecting your parents beause they are your parents. You're in this world
because of them.  I'm 46 years old and  even as an adult I would never speak to my parents the way Noah speaks to his mother. If I ever slapped my mother I would be peeling myself off the wall. I think Noah needs to go to a mental hospital or a school for out of control children. He has no respect for anyone. He thinks life has been so miserable for him, why doesn't someone drop him in the middle of a third world country so he can see how good he has it. Maybe if he saw what he has is NOT owed to him he would change his attitude. Noah talks to his mother like he's her equal. Please someone knock this kid down to size.
Again, I have NEVER seen such a HORRIBLE child!!  Please someone teach some respect to this kid or
ship him off to someone who will teach it to him! I think Military school is a great option for Noah!!.

 
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June 3, 2008, 7:05 pm PDT

Noah was taught to act like that....

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 Noah is the most horrible child I have ever seen. Everyone is getting on Wendy's case. If I had
a child that acted like Noah I would have a hard time dealing or loving a child like that.
What is wrong with society that we have to earn the respect of our children, give me a break.!
What happened to respecting your parents beause they are your parents. You're in this world
because of them.  I'm 46 years old and  even as an adult I would never speak to my parents the way Noah speaks to his mother. If I ever slapped my mother I would be peeling myself off the wall. I think Noah needs to go to a mental hospital or a school for out of control children. He has no respect for anyone. He thinks life has been so miserable for him, why doesn't someone drop him in the middle of a third world country so he can see how good he has it. Maybe if he saw what he has is NOT owed to him he would change his attitude. Noah talks to his mother like he's her equal. Please someone knock this kid down to size.
Again, I have NEVER seen such a HORRIBLE child!!  Please someone teach some respect to this kid or
ship him off to someone who will teach it to him! I think Military school is a great option for Noah!!.

I think many of you are underestimating what Noah has lived with for the past 5 - 6 years.  First it sounds like Mom had an incredible bond with her daughter.  You can be sure that during the daughter's battle with cancer...  that Noah was "invisible" while Mom cared for his sister.  I understand easily how that happened (I have a special needs son -- and I know there were times he pulled more than his share of my time and attention away from his brothers)...  but Noah was a little kid and understanding was out of his realm of possiblity.  All he knew was Mom had no time or energy (or patience or understanding) for him.

Then Mom has been living with this incredible grief for the past 4+ years...  and each time she had difficulty with her son...  she resented that he was here... and her daughter was gone.  This kids has lived with being "unwanted" for years .... and HE KNEW IT!!!!    How would you feel if everyday you were made to feel like your own mother wished you were dead! (instead of his sister)

How can we expect him to react?  Mom isn't evil but it would appear that she is an only parent with WAY WAY too much to deal with.  Noah hasn't been parented for the past 5+ years.  Mom didn't intend to "ignore" her sons needs and send such negative messages... but she just didn't have enough in her to not  do it.  So whatever he asked for in the way of attention was too much....  he was pushed aside.  He learned that the only way to have her pay attention -- was through really extraordinarily BAD behavior.

At this point, I believe that Noah needs SERIOUS counseling independently of mom for a while... then they need joint counseling.  I don't think that she can turn this around without ongoing professional help.  Noah needs somebody to talk to... and Mom isn't the person to do that with!  (He needs to be able to voice his anger ... and most of it is about her... he needs a neutral party to talk to...  to "dump" on.)

That's my 2 cents.  Is Noah really over the top with horroendous disrespect --- absolutely.  But it didn't happen overnight.  It won't change overnight either.
 
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June 3, 2008, 10:51 pm PDT

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Quote From: pamwright

 Noah is the most horrible child I have ever seen. Everyone is getting on Wendy's case. If I had
a child that acted like Noah I would have a hard time dealing or loving a child like that.
What is wrong with society that we have to earn the respect of our children, give me a break.!
What happened to respecting your parents beause they are your parents. You're in this world
because of them.  I'm 46 years old and  even as an adult I would never speak to my parents the way Noah speaks to his mother. If I ever slapped my mother I would be peeling myself off the wall. I think Noah needs to go to a mental hospital or a school for out of control children. He has no respect for anyone. He thinks life has been so miserable for him, why doesn't someone drop him in the middle of a third world country so he can see how good he has it. Maybe if he saw what he has is NOT owed to him he would change his attitude. Noah talks to his mother like he's her equal. Please someone knock this kid down to size.
Again, I have NEVER seen such a HORRIBLE child!!  Please someone teach some respect to this kid or
ship him off to someone who will teach it to him! I think Military school is a great option for Noah!!.

You shouldn't have to earn the respect of your children, you should already be respecting them. Wendy is not respecting Noah, you don't tell someone you respect to shut up whenever they try to speak up on their behalf, or look down at them when they says something they don't like. Wendy does model the behaviour that Noah has learned from.
 
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June 3, 2008, 10:52 pm PDT

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I think many of you are underestimating what Noah has lived with for the past 5 - 6 years.  First it sounds like Mom had an incredible bond with her daughter.  You can be sure that during the daughter's battle with cancer...  that Noah was "invisible" while Mom cared for his sister.  I understand easily how that happened (I have a special needs son -- and I know there were times he pulled more than his share of my time and attention away from his brothers)...  but Noah was a little kid and understanding was out of his realm of possiblity.  All he knew was Mom had no time or energy (or patience or understanding) for him.

Then Mom has been living with this incredible grief for the past 4+ years...  and each time she had difficulty with her son...  she resented that he was here... and her daughter was gone.  This kids has lived with being "unwanted" for years .... and HE KNEW IT!!!!    How would you feel if everyday you were made to feel like your own mother wished you were dead! (instead of his sister)

How can we expect him to react?  Mom isn't evil but it would appear that she is an only parent with WAY WAY too much to deal with.  Noah hasn't been parented for the past 5+ years.  Mom didn't intend to "ignore" her sons needs and send such negative messages... but she just didn't have enough in her to not  do it.  So whatever he asked for in the way of attention was too much....  he was pushed aside.  He learned that the only way to have her pay attention -- was through really extraordinarily BAD behavior.

At this point, I believe that Noah needs SERIOUS counseling independently of mom for a while... then they need joint counseling.  I don't think that she can turn this around without ongoing professional help.  Noah needs somebody to talk to... and Mom isn't the person to do that with!  (He needs to be able to voice his anger ... and most of it is about her... he needs a neutral party to talk to...  to "dump" on.)

That's my 2 cents.  Is Noah really over the top with horroendous disrespect --- absolutely.  But it didn't happen overnight.  It won't change overnight either.
Very good post, I agree with you completely.
 
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June 4, 2008, 4:20 am PDT

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Quote From: yoshiyoshi

Well I suppose if the choice is between that an a spanking. They both convey to the child that the parent can command power over them, and that they are helpless to their will.
      I dont have kids of my own but I think spanking does not work and I dont beleive in it. Theres people out there who think differently.
 
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June 4, 2008, 4:29 am PDT

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      I think Noah has a lot of stored sad feelings he's kept on the inside. When Dr. Phil put him through that exercise, he was able to get it out and express himself. Its a shame he dealt with it by hitting his mom. I think he needs to learn new ways on dealing with this sort of problem........
 
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June 4, 2008, 9:00 am PDT

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      I think Noah has a lot of stored sad feelings he's kept on the inside. When Dr. Phil put him through that exercise, he was able to get it out and express himself. Its a shame he dealt with it by hitting his mom. I think he needs to learn new ways on dealing with this sort of problem........
Well when he tried to talk to Dr. Phil, and was immediately shut down. He was taught that talking doesn't work.
 

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