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Topic : 05/21 Grandpa Returns: The Aftermath

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Created on : Friday, May 16, 2008, 02:23:10 pm
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In a dramatic two-day series, Dr. Phil investigated allegations of child sexual abuse with a grandfather, his daughter and his grandson. Now, the family is back. Sherie-Lynn faces her father, Al, for the first time since his polygraph test indicated deception. She says she feels a weight has been lifted since the show, but she still wants him to admit that he molested her son. And, Sherie-Lynn’s mom, Elaine, says she believes her daughter and the polygraph, so why does she continue to live with Al? Plus, the horror and heartbreak within this family has taken its toll on Sherie-Lynn and Todd’s marriage. Are they headed for divorce court? Can this family in turmoil ever find peace and closure? Tell us what you think.

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August 14, 2008, 9:34 pm CDT

disgraceful

 this bloke talks so much about god, as if god is gonna help. doesnt he know that this is bad to touch children,
and he is going to hell.
 
August 15, 2008, 2:07 pm CDT

He doesn't CARE

Quote From: danz77

 this bloke talks so much about god, as if god is gonna help. doesnt he know that this is bad to touch children,
and he is going to hell.

I don't think Al cares if it's wrong...he is so sick, he thinks he's been SAVED!  What MAY have "saved" him is his age...could have lost his sex drive, so it's safe to "repent".  Just don't let him near VIAGRA..suddenly, his Savior will be gone, and he'll do it again and again....

Even pedophiles lose their sex drive with age, so they think they can say it's over and they are sorry...or they never did most of it.  I just do NOT know how his wife continues to live with him...the man makes me sick!

 
August 15, 2008, 6:19 pm CDT

Why poduce the show this way for this topic?

Being as I am in Australia, the show "The Return of Grandpa" only aired yesterday. Amazingly, I had a dream last night about the show and how I really feel about it.  The dream seemed to be saying "All doesn't appear to be the way it looks".  Reflecting on the dream 3 stories came to mind

  1. The movie "Minority Report" were the 3 psychics were shown to be infallible
  2. The movie "A Tale of Two Cities" by Charles Dickens, scenes of the trials and mass executions
  3. The Greek myth of Dionysus and his worshipers, the women of ancient Greece, called Maenads, who would be thrust into a frenzy and tear any male who got in their path apart.

It would seem that these stories are not so much about what happened between the members of this family, but on the way in which the Dr Phil show chose to produce it. And as Dr Phil says "It's all about the choices we make" (well, it's no really - but that's another topic all together).

 

Firstly, the Minority Report makes me think why the polygraph is not admissible evidence in all courts around the world and that is probably because it is not 100% accurate.  The polygraph is still a mechanism of interpretation.  To have someone from the audience call out to do a polygraph leads me to the second part of a "Tale of Two Cities" where the crowd are calling out for blood, without having any hard or fast evidence - just the emotion of the situation.  Judge, jury and executioners all rolled into one.  The trouble is that the roles are interchangeable.  One minute the audience are Judges, the husband is executioner and the other family members are jury, and then they all swap, including Dr Phil.  Sometimes I feel he forgets his own pearls of wisdom, like "I don't care how flat the pancake is, there are always 2 sides to it".  So when Dr Phil responded to Grandpas feelings of being attacked, by showing excerpts of clips where Dr Phil was saying that he doesn't know whether Grandpa is guilty or innocent, there is an implication that the audience does think he is guilty and like it or not, they are a part of the show.  So the Dr Phil show is indeed attacking Grandpa.  This reflected in the third story about Dionysus and the Maenads.  Dionysus represents extreme opposites and the Maenads are basically in the realm of the emotional and irrational - being possessed by the God.

 

So this all leads me to the question about why the producers of the Dr Phil show chose to have this show with an audience.  The gasps, facial expressions and other judgmental sounds that come from them make it impossible for Grandpa to be considered innocent until found guilty, which by the way is the role of the court system and not the Dr Phil show, which I am sad to say, seems to have turned into an entertainment piece. I think that stories with such emotional charged content should be filmed on a closed set, but I doubt the producers will allow this due to the number of times the audience reactions are put to air.

 

I would just like to also say that from reading the posts on this thread, the issue of sexually driven activities that are defined as not being OK by society appears to be widespread and occurs more frequently than society would like to admit.  I don't think the jail system would cope with the increased number of inmates if everyone who acted in this way was convicted, and there would be a huge rise in job vacancies.  If this sexual activity goes back to Adam and it is more prevalent than society thinks, then wouldn't it imply that it is part of the human condition and not an anomaly?  What could be causing such a widespread occurence? I am only speculating here...

 

Last of all, I remember Dr Phil saying on air that dreams are subjective and should be taken with a grain of salt, or something to that effect...really Dr Phil?

 

That's all.

Steve

 
August 17, 2008, 6:08 am CDT

from another Australian

I was most interested to have read the previous person's post, as I feel much the same as them. I didn't expect I'd find another post from someone who'd broached this subject already. I possess a solid general grounding in psychology and most of the time I think Phil, you really get it right. I guess it's inevitable that people aren't going to agree on everything. However, I found it peculiar McGraw that you didn't pick up on the cues Al gave about his past, for example when he told the others they'd had a good life & they didn't understand what he'd been through.

  I would expect in the clinical module for such a patient, the key to breaking the wall of continual lying is delving into the patient's past. Whatever you may feel about Al's actions, he appears to have been traumatised by his past & deferring to Biblical refernces as an emotional wall to that which causes him too much pain to outwardly acknowledge. Like Parker, he may & I suspect probably is enacing a learnt behaviour pattern, was molested himself as a child.

  I have seen you do great work & cover much ground in the space of a single episode time & time again Phil, so I'm not sure how or why a professional as astute and spry as youself would have chosen to go the route you did and not pick up on this obvious cue as a lead into getting behind Al's smokescreen, when I, the layperson' at home, did. I have been moved to write out of empathy with Elaine, and I want to say to you, I particularly feel for you, you seem like a very nice person and I hope that you get lots of support and comfort through this, as well as your daughter and son-in-law.

  And that Al is not a monster. I disagree with what he's done, to whatever extent it went to, but there's no point in endless recrimination. At some point, we may best be served by considering that maybe he's a victim too and everone concerned needs a lot of love, compassion, healing and support. Oh, and McGraw, I can't understand why you got those parents in Brat Camp to apologise to their kids. They would've been better off with Supernanny's naughty spot if you ask me!

 
September 1, 2008, 6:03 am CDT

sex offenders

all sex offenders-ESPECIALLY child sex-offenders belong in jail. the end.
 
September 3, 2008, 12:38 pm CDT

Mental Illness also goes back to Adam

Quote From: steveig

Being as I am in Australia, the show "The Return of Grandpa" only aired yesterday. Amazingly, I had a dream last night about the show and how I really feel about it.  The dream seemed to be saying "All doesn't appear to be the way it looks".  Reflecting on the dream 3 stories came to mind

  1. The movie "Minority Report" were the 3 psychics were shown to be infallible
  2. The movie "A Tale of Two Cities" by Charles Dickens, scenes of the trials and mass executions
  3. The Greek myth of Dionysus and his worshipers, the women of ancient Greece, called Maenads, who would be thrust into a frenzy and tear any male who got in their path apart.

It would seem that these stories are not so much about what happened between the members of this family, but on the way in which the Dr Phil show chose to produce it. And as Dr Phil says "It's all about the choices we make" (well, it's no really - but that's another topic all together).

 

Firstly, the Minority Report makes me think why the polygraph is not admissible evidence in all courts around the world and that is probably because it is not 100% accurate.  The polygraph is still a mechanism of interpretation.  To have someone from the audience call out to do a polygraph leads me to the second part of a "Tale of Two Cities" where the crowd are calling out for blood, without having any hard or fast evidence - just the emotion of the situation.  Judge, jury and executioners all rolled into one.  The trouble is that the roles are interchangeable.  One minute the audience are Judges, the husband is executioner and the other family members are jury, and then they all swap, including Dr Phil.  Sometimes I feel he forgets his own pearls of wisdom, like "I don't care how flat the pancake is, there are always 2 sides to it".  So when Dr Phil responded to Grandpas feelings of being attacked, by showing excerpts of clips where Dr Phil was saying that he doesn't know whether Grandpa is guilty or innocent, there is an implication that the audience does think he is guilty and like it or not, they are a part of the show.  So the Dr Phil show is indeed attacking Grandpa.  This reflected in the third story about Dionysus and the Maenads.  Dionysus represents extreme opposites and the Maenads are basically in the realm of the emotional and irrational - being possessed by the God.

 

So this all leads me to the question about why the producers of the Dr Phil show chose to have this show with an audience.  The gasps, facial expressions and other judgmental sounds that come from them make it impossible for Grandpa to be considered innocent until found guilty, which by the way is the role of the court system and not the Dr Phil show, which I am sad to say, seems to have turned into an entertainment piece. I think that stories with such emotional charged content should be filmed on a closed set, but I doubt the producers will allow this due to the number of times the audience reactions are put to air.

 

I would just like to also say that from reading the posts on this thread, the issue of sexually driven activities that are defined as not being OK by society appears to be widespread and occurs more frequently than society would like to admit.  I don't think the jail system would cope with the increased number of inmates if everyone who acted in this way was convicted, and there would be a huge rise in job vacancies.  If this sexual activity goes back to Adam and it is more prevalent than society thinks, then wouldn't it imply that it is part of the human condition and not an anomaly?  What could be causing such a widespread occurence? I am only speculating here...

 

Last of all, I remember Dr Phil saying on air that dreams are subjective and should be taken with a grain of salt, or something to that effect...really Dr Phil?

 

That's all.

Steve

Pedophilia has been defined as a mental disorder by the American Psychiatric Institute.  It is one of MANY mental dis-orders, and maybe if we exposed the VOLUMES of hidden research from the most respected hospitals in our country, it could begin to be treated.  Years ago, autism had no hope.  Today, great strides have been made...same with Bi-polar disorder and the endless list of illnesses that we have opened up, re-evaluated and were able to provide better methods of treatment.

If we cared so much about sexuallly abused children, we would NOT be stagnated in ancient notions of negative absolutes, while silencing the extensive research giving hope to finding a control for pedophilia.

I am not in sympathy for the act, quite to the contrary, I detest it.  I have written to the Dr. Phil Show, requesting that he feature some reseach scientist with the facts to back up his findings for this dis-order to be medically addressed as if it were the 21 Century, just as all other disorders have been.

I only wonder why it's like society's little secret.  Research is there. 

Shows like Dr. Phil should be giving these men of science the floor...no one has to agree, just allow them to be heard.  I know that sex sells...kiddie porn, victims making for higher ratings, viewers calling for blood.  Hell, if it could be controlled, maybe it would protect children, and stop being a cash cow. 

All these reseacher teams can do is present their findings, findings that should be as exploited as the acts of the pedophile.  If they are proven to be ineffective, we are no worse off than we are today, but without the publicity, the average viewer still believes there is nothing in progress, and that is simply untrue.

Sadly, mental dis-orders, and mental illnesses are part of the human condition, and have always been. WHY leave one, the one that effects children, in the black box of ignorance when it isn't permitted with any other health issue, mental or physical? 

That man ADMITTED to rubbing a two week old child on his penis...that is SICK.  It has no other side, because there is none.  The wife SAW this...is she insane?  Could be so. 

Just because a person can look normal, speak well, does not mean they ARE well.    I don't think there is any surprise of this becoming more widespread.  Our population is gowing, and with the growth, all illnesses are more numerous.  Victims are also shedding their "guilt" and telling us more.

Now, what do we do about it, cause what we have been doing isn't working for us!

 
October 31, 2008, 11:28 am CDT

Shivers down my spine

I just wanted to say I feel with Sherie so much. All those tears, anger, confusion held back for so many years. I am glad you got the help from Dr. Phil and I wish you all the best.

Greetings from Sweden :)

 

 
December 12, 2008, 1:14 pm CST

05/21 Grandpa Returns: The Aftermath

Watching this show it appeared to me that Grandpa is showing signs of autistic behaviour. His comments were very rigid and he laughed at the wrong moments. It hasn't been mentioned, so I wondered if this had crossed your minds. But... I could be mistaken ofcourse and may be underestimating your research, concerning this person.

 
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