Topic : 05/22 Cults?

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Created on : Friday, May 16, 2008, 02:24:44 pm
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Imagine living in an extreme religious group where your every move is controlled. Dr. Phil recently examined the aftermath of the raid on the Fundamentalist Church of Jesus Christ of Latter Day Saints, and now he shines a spotlight on one woman who says she left a religious sect and struggles with life in the outside world. Anna says she was trying to get herself “right with God” when she joined Tony Alamo ministries in 1989. In 2000, she escaped what she calls a cult with her seven children. But her troubles didn’t end there. Her ex-husband visited the family several years ago in December, and Anna let him take four of their kids Christmas shopping. She hasn’t seen them since. Dr. Phil put private investigator Harold Copus on the case. You won’t believe what his search yields. Then, Dr. Phil asks Anna if she uses corporal punishment on the children currently living with her. Anna denies abusing her kids, but what do  Dr. Phil cameras placed in her home show? Why did Child Protective Services remove her kids from the home? Nearly two months have passed since Anna spoke with Dr. Phil, and she still doesn’t have her children back. What does the future hold for this anguished mom, and will her family finally be reunited? Talk about the show here.

Find out what happened on the show.


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May 23, 2008, 10:42 am PDT

I know Anna

  Dear Anna,   I watched the whole show. As a matter of fact...BEFORE I even saw it (day before) I wrote a note to Dr. Phil and Robin, telling them you are a good mother. they can take it or leave it, right ?? Anna, I know you, I know you are a soft-hearted person, who LOVES your kids, in spite of everything that has gone on. and I will continue to pray for you, because I love and care about you. you are a very precious person, and somehow, even though it looks kinda bleak right now...it will ALL work out.   Some very good points were made, and the PERV was exposed befoe the whole world (don't EVER forget that, Anna) you told the world how toni doesn't allow radios, magazines, going by yourself anywhere, picking out girls he likes, the candy by the bed (yuck !!) your questioning the polygamy, and how you were not able to get the kids, even when you went there !!  Everybody loved the "you go to hell !!"    well, I'll wait for an answer, I have to fix breakfast.       Love, Claudia
 
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May 23, 2008, 11:02 am PDT

Annas behavior

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She's taking dope for her illness, why isn't it working?  Why isn't the marijuana stabilizing all those chemicals up there in the brain? 

You, must understand that there is more to this story than was able to be shown in just one airing.  Anna is under a lot of scrutiny and Dr. Phil  is very capable of working thru the issues that are so complicated.  The show ended with a lot of questions and concerns.  It was intended to be that way, due to the sensitive nature and the on going investigation. 

 

I feel that I know enough to help clarify some things that came across as negative.  The footage captured and showed only part of teen girls, one of which not even her own, but that she had taken in (a runaway) getting caught sneaking out, having boys there when she was gone... and actually the other report about dope (seed) was when another young teen (boy who had left the cult) was living with them.

 

When someone leaves an environment so strict and abusive, often problems arise.  The very act of managing a household, let alone trying to find a job that pays sufficiently with little or no skills, then combine teens that are experiencing their newfound freedoms.  WOW! More than enough for any parent. 

 

Do not forget what the true nature of this story was begining to show.  Children that were in legal custody of a parent were taken and harboured by a man hiding behind the name of a 'church',  completely defying any rules of the law.  There are so many more families out there whose lives have been completely disrupted by this man and his church. 

 

Keep an open mind-there is more to this story!

 
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May 23, 2008, 3:34 pm PDT

05/22 Cults?

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  Dear Anna,   I watched the whole show. As a matter of fact...BEFORE I even saw it (day before) I wrote a note to Dr. Phil and Robin, telling them you are a good mother. they can take it or leave it, right ?? Anna, I know you, I know you are a soft-hearted person, who LOVES your kids, in spite of everything that has gone on. and I will continue to pray for you, because I love and care about you. you are a very precious person, and somehow, even though it looks kinda bleak right now...it will ALL work out.   Some very good points were made, and the PERV was exposed befoe the whole world (don't EVER forget that, Anna) you told the world how toni doesn't allow radios, magazines, going by yourself anywhere, picking out girls he likes, the candy by the bed (yuck !!) your questioning the polygamy, and how you were not able to get the kids, even when you went there !!  Everybody loved the "you go to hell !!"    well, I'll wait for an answer, I have to fix breakfast.       Love, Claudia

Hmmmmmmmm fun how you just being a friend and Anna have the same posters  name -

Anna cult 11 still playing games

 
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May 23, 2008, 4:46 pm PDT

05/22 Cults?

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Seriously people who fear cults such as the polygamist compounds or other stuff like Wicca.. people that fear them and whatever else are ignorant.

 

This is a free country. The right to have different religions and stuff.  If I want to join a polygamist group or Wicca I'll join it

Yes people have the right to freedom of religion, but baby girls of 13,14, 15, being abused is not right. Think about the number of people who have been hurt or the number of wars fought in the name of religion. All you have to do is look at a sunset, a flower, a childs smile, to see god. I don't think you need some person , some so called leader in your life to tell you how to live it . Be your own person and treat others with love and respect. Be happy

 
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May 23, 2008, 4:47 pm PDT

Please don't stop with this one show.

 

Thank you, Dr. Phil, for exposing Tony Alamo Ministries.  Please continue to investigate and bring to light the atrocities that are going on there daily.  This is the tip of the iceberg.  This man has separated husbands from their wives, parents from their children and families from their loved ones.

I have personally witnessed underage marriages with girls as young as 12 and I have several pictures to prove it.  These are arranged marriages with older men.  These men go to Tony Alamo and ask permission to marry these girls.  No one gets married without his approval.  The girls want to get married in most cases because this is what they have been taught is right all their lives.

Tony Alamo has taken several wives, no one knows for sure how many and he has a taste for young girls.  The young girls go to visit him at his home and if he wants them then they never go back home to their parents, their dolls or their innocence.  There are witnesses to the actual rape of one of the young girls he took as a wife, I believe she was 15 or 16 years old and he now has a child by her. He has said on his many radio programs that as soon as a girl starts to menstruate then they can marry, that means if they are 9 or 10 or younger in some cases.  The parents consider it a privilege for their daughters to be chosen by Tony Alamo.

Tony Alamo has beaten children bloody for the smallest infractions.  This man is a monster and his congregation believes every word he says.  They will beat their own children on his command.  He has even commanded the beating, or smiting, of grown women and men.

Something has to be done about this monster.  Dr. Phil, there are children there that need your help.

 I have two nieces and one nephew still there and our family is not allowed to see them.  They have been there for 11 years.  We worry daily about their safety.  The girls are at the age where the are married off to older men and if that happens we will never see them again.  The authorities won’t do anything to help, believe me we have tried.  I believe that you, Dr. Phil are our last hope.

Once again, thank you Dr. Phil for exposing Tony Alamo Ministries.  There is so much more than what has been shown and I hope you don’t stop with this one show.

 
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May 23, 2008, 6:23 pm PDT

Amen to That!!

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Thank you, Dr. Phil, for exposing Tony Alamo Ministries.  Please continue to investigate and bring to light the atrocities that are going on there daily.  This is the tip of the iceberg.  This man has separated husbands from their wives, parents from their children and families from their loved ones.

I have personally witnessed underage marriages with girls as young as 12 and I have several pictures to prove it.  These are arranged marriages with older men.  These men go to Tony Alamo and ask permission to marry these girls.  No one gets married without his approval.  The girls want to get married in most cases because this is what they have been taught is right all their lives.

Tony Alamo has taken several wives, no one knows for sure how many and he has a taste for young girls.  The young girls go to visit him at his home and if he wants them then they never go back home to their parents, their dolls or their innocence.  There are witnesses to the actual rape of one of the young girls he took as a wife, I believe she was 15 or 16 years old and he now has a child by her. He has said on his many radio programs that as soon as a girl starts to menstruate then they can marry, that means if they are 9 or 10 or younger in some cases.  The parents consider it a privilege for their daughters to be chosen by Tony Alamo.

Tony Alamo has beaten children bloody for the smallest infractions.  This man is a monster and his congregation believes every word he says.  They will beat their own children on his command.  He has even commanded the beating, or smiting, of grown women and men.

Something has to be done about this monster.  Dr. Phil, there are children there that need your help.

 I have two nieces and one nephew still there and our family is not allowed to see them.  They have been there for 11 years.  We worry daily about their safety.  The girls are at the age where the are married off to older men and if that happens we will never see them again.  The authorities wont do anything to help, believe me we have tried.  I believe that you, Dr. Phil are our last hope.

Once again, thank you Dr. Phil for exposing Tony Alamo Ministries.  There is so much more than what has been shown and I hope you dont stop with this one show.

Amen to that!!!! This is just the beginning!!
 
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May 23, 2008, 8:42 pm PDT

Counting on my toes now, LOL

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Fact - Anna's been out of the cult for quite some time.  I do not think all those children were conceived at the same time period as the cult.  This may be why the father only took 4 children Christmas shopping and never returned. The reason for the multitude of comments about birth control is due to the fact that Anna desires to have more children.  MORE!  My comments concerning birth control are no where near as judgemental as some other comments I've read, so don't single me out for actually counting the number of kids.

Actually, I re-read all my previous comments, and I did not mention birth control in any of them. I stand by my comment, "your body, your decision."  I simply was counting out loud.  I do have one correction.  Apparently, all the children are from the same father, as stated by Anna's sister via message boards.  And, I guess I am starting to count on my toes, because Anna stated she actually has 11 children.  Thank you.

 

 
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May 23, 2008, 8:53 pm PDT

05/22 Cults?

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Thank you, Dr. Phil, for exposing Tony Alamo Ministries.  Please continue to investigate and bring to light the atrocities that are going on there daily.  This is the tip of the iceberg.  This man has separated husbands from their wives, parents from their children and families from their loved ones.

I have personally witnessed underage marriages with girls as young as 12 and I have several pictures to prove it.  These are arranged marriages with older men.  These men go to Tony Alamo and ask permission to marry these girls.  No one gets married without his approval.  The girls want to get married in most cases because this is what they have been taught is right all their lives.

Tony Alamo has taken several wives, no one knows for sure how many and he has a taste for young girls.  The young girls go to visit him at his home and if he wants them then they never go back home to their parents, their dolls or their innocence.  There are witnesses to the actual rape of one of the young girls he took as a wife, I believe she was 15 or 16 years old and he now has a child by her. He has said on his many radio programs that as soon as a girl starts to menstruate then they can marry, that means if they are 9 or 10 or younger in some cases.  The parents consider it a privilege for their daughters to be chosen by Tony Alamo.

Tony Alamo has beaten children bloody for the smallest infractions.  This man is a monster and his congregation believes every word he says.  They will beat their own children on his command.  He has even commanded the beating, or smiting, of grown women and men.

Something has to be done about this monster.  Dr. Phil, there are children there that need your help.

 I have two nieces and one nephew still there and our family is not allowed to see them.  They have been there for 11 years.  We worry daily about their safety.  The girls are at the age where the are married off to older men and if that happens we will never see them again.  The authorities wont do anything to help, believe me we have tried.  I believe that you, Dr. Phil are our last hope.

Once again, thank you Dr. Phil for exposing Tony Alamo Ministries.  There is so much more than what has been shown and I hope you dont stop with this one show.

I agree with you. However, I think Dr  Phil should devote more time to the subject as a whole. The American public is very ignorant on this subject.
 
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May 23, 2008, 9:07 pm PDT

05/22 Cults?

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Thank you for all the comments and concerns on this board.
When I read the board I felt such love for everyone, even the ones who said hateful remarks about my family and the fact that I have 11 Beauitful Children that I wouldnt change for the world.
I want to thank Dr phil for letting me come on the show and share my life with others. But most of all I have To thank God for his grace and his love for letting me have each day that pass.
  • Hang in there.  I know making the adjustment to the outside world  is rough. Your life is turned up side down and the kids are practically in shock.  It  seem like no one understands you.  I have of books that have helped me. I will post them when my PC is not causing me so many problems.
 
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May 24, 2008, 8:34 am PDT

Get yourself better. . .

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  Dear Anna,   I watched the whole show. As a matter of fact...BEFORE I even saw it (day before) I wrote a note to Dr. Phil and Robin, telling them you are a good mother. they can take it or leave it, right ?? Anna, I know you, I know you are a soft-hearted person, who LOVES your kids, in spite of everything that has gone on. and I will continue to pray for you, because I love and care about you. you are a very precious person, and somehow, even though it looks kinda bleak right now...it will ALL work out.   Some very good points were made, and the PERV was exposed befoe the whole world (don't EVER forget that, Anna) you told the world how toni doesn't allow radios, magazines, going by yourself anywhere, picking out girls he likes, the candy by the bed (yuck !!) your questioning the polygamy, and how you were not able to get the kids, even when you went there !!  Everybody loved the "you go to hell !!"    well, I'll wait for an answer, I have to fix breakfast.       Love, Claudia
Obviously, you are so worried about your reputation to type one message addressed to you and when from you with the same user name.  I wasn't going to say anything, but I just saw where someone else called you out on it.  Please - just get the help you need.  I hope Dr. Phil has provided the help that you need.  You need to talk to someone you can trust.  You being in a cult and getting out has put you into shock - which happens.  You probably have suffered from post-partum depression from having so many babies.  Everything that has happened to you has happened for a reason  - use it as an experience to really focus on the one and only true God - which is not a man on this earth.  Just get your thoughts together and get into a true bible based church.  Tony Alamo did this - not God.  Don't turn your back on God.  Read your bible - go by what's in the bible - nothing else.  Let that be your road map.  Stop trying to save your reputation - it's OK - just focus on getting better.  Take care. 
 

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