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Created on : Friday, May 16, 2008, 02:24:44 pm
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Imagine living in an extreme religious group where your every move is controlled. Dr. Phil recently examined the aftermath of the raid on the Fundamentalist Church of Jesus Christ of Latter Day Saints, and now he shines a spotlight on one woman who says she left a religious sect and struggles with life in the outside world. Anna says she was trying to get herself “right with God” when she joined Tony Alamo ministries in 1989. In 2000, she escaped what she calls a cult with her seven children. But her troubles didn’t end there. Her ex-husband visited the family several years ago in December, and Anna let him take four of their kids Christmas shopping. She hasn’t seen them since. Dr. Phil put private investigator Harold Copus on the case. You won’t believe what his search yields. Then, Dr. Phil asks Anna if she uses corporal punishment on the children currently living with her. Anna denies abusing her kids, but what do  Dr. Phil cameras placed in her home show? Why did Child Protective Services remove her kids from the home? Nearly two months have passed since Anna spoke with Dr. Phil, and she still doesn’t have her children back. What does the future hold for this anguished mom, and will her family finally be reunited? Talk about the show here.

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May 24, 2008, 4:14 pm PDT

It isn't what you think

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Obviously, you are so worried about your reputation to type one message addressed to you and when from you with the same user name.  I wasn't going to say anything, but I just saw where someone else called you out on it.  Please - just get the help you need.  I hope Dr. Phil has provided the help that you need.  You need to talk to someone you can trust.  You being in a cult and getting out has put you into shock - which happens.  You probably have suffered from post-partum depression from having so many babies.  Everything that has happened to you has happened for a reason  - use it as an experience to really focus on the one and only true God - which is not a man on this earth.  Just get your thoughts together and get into a true bible based church.  Tony Alamo did this - not God.  Don't turn your back on God.  Read your bible - go by what's in the bible - nothing else.  Let that be your road map.  Stop trying to save your reputation - it's OK - just focus on getting better.  Take care. 

I believe Anna was just posting a message she received from Claudia.  My thought is Anna is too upset with all that has happened to her and just didn't think it through when she posted the note from Claudia.  She is probably really hurting right now.  Please be kind.  That is what is so great about Dr. Phil and his show.  He is very kind and gives hope to people.

I do wish we could find out what Harold Copus found when he visited that cult.  It seemed as though there were two separate shows.  It looked as thought the first 20 minutes were going to be about Tony Alamo and the horrors that occur in his cult, especially to young children being beaten and starved, and young girls being raped by him or other men to whom they are given.  Dr. Phil is right.  There have been two other cult leaders with the same agenda who were recently arrested.  Dr. Phil, please tell us why these men abuse the concept of religion in order to control and abuse and rape and beat others?  And please tell us what we can do about this national shame. 

 
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May 25, 2008, 4:45 am PDT

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   I went to Dr. Phil's website and he did do a show on the Alamos. The mother's name is Anna, 11 year member of the cult who got out in 2000 with her 7 children. The father who took the 4 children back is Don Davis, a 35 year member of the Alamo cult.
Dr. Phil sent a private investigator to the Alamo compound in Fouke. He took pictures of Anna's kids there and spoke to cult members, but it appears he did not take further action due to the armed guards.
I have no concerns discussing the subject of these children here at this time. It has been posted on tonyalamonews.com . The only chance a parent has to recover children from the cult is the element of surprise. Once that is blown, these kids can be hidden for decades.
On the show, there was some slight discussion of Alamo's polygamy, spankings, child starvation and fear. No mention of the underage sex, severe child beatings and other atrocities I have seen documented here and on other boards like Factnet.
It is my impression that the good Doctor has absolutely no clue as to just what he has stumbled into here. I would recommend that anyone concerned about the community or the children in that cult contact Phil at www.drphil.com and share what you know.
I have read testimonials of women that were molested, coerced for sex, raped and beaten by Alamo when they were underage, even as young as 13. These young ladies seemed quite willing and unafraid to expose Alamo. If anyone knows how to communicate with them, Dr. Phil is always looking for guests
 
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May 25, 2008, 7:36 am PDT

national shame

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I believe Anna was just posting a message she received from Claudia.  My thought is Anna is too upset with all that has happened to her and just didn't think it through when she posted the note from Claudia.  She is probably really hurting right now.  Please be kind.  That is what is so great about Dr. Phil and his show.  He is very kind and gives hope to people.

I do wish we could find out what Harold Copus found when he visited that cult.  It seemed as though there were two separate shows.  It looked as thought the first 20 minutes were going to be about Tony Alamo and the horrors that occur in his cult, especially to young children being beaten and starved, and young girls being raped by him or other men to whom they are given.  Dr. Phil is right.  There have been two other cult leaders with the same agenda who were recently arrested.  Dr. Phil, please tell us why these men abuse the concept of religion in order to control and abuse and rape and beat others?  And please tell us what we can do about this national shame. 

 I  agree  with  you  and  this  National  shame  is  against  the  law ,  it  is  not  going  to  be  easy  to  get  the  facts  as  to  what  is  occurring  on  the  inside  of  cults  under  control and  out  in  the  open unless  per  chance  law  officials  can  release  or  get  maybe  the  peace  core  or  red  cross  involved . personally  I  believe  that  is  what  it  is  going  to  take  .  I  sincerely  believe  that  a  concerted  effort  should  be  immediatly  taken  to  get  it  out  in  the  open  what  is  happening  within  cults  across  our  nation .  Adults  who  are  in  it  and  aiding  and  abetting  with  deleriously  dangerous  leaders  and  allowing  abuse  of  their  children  to  happen  are  not  innocent !!!  maybe  brain damaged!!!  but  certiantly  not  innocent ,  and  thats  where  the  grave  concern  is .  we  as  a  nation can  not  save  every  child  but  every  child  is  needing  to  be  saved  from  the  abuse  and  the  atrocities  occurring within  secret  groups  who  for  the  most  part  in  my  humble  opinion  are  hideing  !!! This  act  of  cowardice  alone  should  speak  volumes  !!!  I  hope  in  the  future  that  it  is  a  problem  that  can  be  effectively  dealt  with  for  the  sake  of  the  children  trapped  within   it . 
 
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May 25, 2008, 11:23 am PDT

Tony Alamo, World Pastor?

Tony Alamo is a self-proclaimed prophet who has claimed the title of World Pastor but he is more like the World Pervert. He is “spiritually” (not legally) married to children!

Thank you, Dr Phil, for bringing this reprobates snake pit to the general public eye so that others are not snared in his trap with false promises and lies.

I found it very disturbing that these children are made to "fast" as punishment. In religions, fasting is something done to honor God and prove your devotion to Him.  To make children go without food for days or even weeks is abuse!  The sickest part of it all was the candy by the bed! What a disgusting pedophile in our midst!  Why has nothing been done about this piece of garbage?

I feel for Anna.  Being in an abusive cult for 11 years can cause a person allot of pain and without the tools to be able to deal with the trauma and shock of being on your own (after years of relying on others) it can have devastating affects.  Anna should have remained in counseling with her kids until they all could cope with what happened to them.  From what  I understand she gave birth to 7 of these children while in the cult.  She learned how to parent inside the walls of that cult.  This raises real concerns as to how the other parents in that group are treating the children.  I read some real horror stories on www.tonyalamonews.com from victims of this cult that detail corporal punishment, polygamy and sexual abuse.

This group needs to be brought down and all involved with the abuse of the children prosecuted for their part.  How many parents had sense enough to get out of there but it was too dangerous to manage getting their large families out?  Now they do not even know where their children are. It is truly a tragedy that this can go on in America unchecked. 

 
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May 25, 2008, 12:09 pm PDT

WHO & WHAT TONY ALAMO IS

IF YOU WANT TO KNOW WHO AND WHAT TONY ALAMO IS  GO TO

 

THE SOUTHERN POVERTY LAW CENTERS INTELLIGENCE REPORT.  SUSY BUCHANNAN WROTE TWO AMAZING ARTICLES.

 

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SPLA GOT IT RIGHT ON ALL COUNTS REGARDING ALAMO AND HIS CULT.

 
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May 27, 2008, 6:42 am PDT

05/22 Cults?

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  Dear Anna,   I watched the whole show. As a matter of fact...BEFORE I even saw it (day before) I wrote a note to Dr. Phil and Robin, telling them you are a good mother. they can take it or leave it, right ?? Anna, I know you, I know you are a soft-hearted person, who LOVES your kids, in spite of everything that has gone on. and I will continue to pray for you, because I love and care about you. you are a very precious person, and somehow, even though it looks kinda bleak right now...it will ALL work out.   Some very good points were made, and the PERV was exposed befoe the whole world (don't EVER forget that, Anna) you told the world how toni doesn't allow radios, magazines, going by yourself anywhere, picking out girls he likes, the candy by the bed (yuck !!) your questioning the polygamy, and how you were not able to get the kids, even when you went there !!  Everybody loved the "you go to hell !!"    well, I'll wait for an answer, I have to fix breakfast.       Love, Claudia
Claudia,(a.k.a Anna) how did you watch the show the day before the show aired??? lol...
 
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May 27, 2008, 7:15 am PDT

05/22 Cults?

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Claudia,(a.k.a Anna) how did you watch the show the day before the show aired??? lol...

They did'nt say they watched it before it aired. They said they wrote Dr Phil and Robin before it aired. You know Claudia is a real ex member. It looks like Anna posted a e-mail from her is all.  Dont try to give doubt.  She can and has told of many crimes Alamo has committed.  Lets remember this.

 

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Dr. Phil confers with Harold Copus. “The police have told you that these people are heavily armed and dangerous?”

“They certainly are,” he replies. “We have a problem with this group.”

 

 
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May 27, 2008, 11:17 am PDT

Help stop Gang stalking, Organized stalking and use of EMF

OVERVIEW

Gang stalking involves the use of multiple individuals to stalk, harass and taunt a victim, as well as to vandalize personal property. This can take place for many years, particularly since law enforcement and legislation have yet to catch up with the reality of organized stalking by groups.

Techniques of psychological warfare are used against the target in a methodical and well orchestrated attack that often leaves the target a victim of ridicule among his friends and family because this occurrence is so hard to believe. However, the number of targets are increasing to the point that they can network with one another and find out that the same tactics are used everywhere. These tactics are intended to weaken the target to the point of physical and psychological collapse. The reasons why a person is initially targeted can vary. Sometimes the person may be a political activist. Others may have been in the wrong place at the wrong time. Corporations apparently have even been known to hire these stalking groups to silence people who were once in their employ. These stalking gangs may be lied to about the target, thinking that perhaps the person is a deviant who needs to be driven out of town. The reasons are only limited to the imagination. In some cases, according to David Lawson, author of Terrorist Stalking in America, the person has done nothing wrong but is simply used as a practice target or as an example to others in the group to show what can happen to them if they anger the group in some way. This serves to keep the members of these stalking groups tied to the group through intense fear of becoming a target. It is such a terrifying prospect because the gang members are intimately aware that the lives of the targets are utterly destroyed. (See FAQ for more information). Many people ask, "Why would anyone engage in this kind of activity?". In order to answer that question, it's important to realize that the person who has decided to target an individual is not the person (or persons in this case) doing the stalking. This is known as "stalking by proxy". Those who have called "the hit" (so-to-speak) may be doing it for any number of reasons, including revenge, jealousy, or a desire to keep someone silent. It may be that physically harming a person is considered too extreme or too risky by the perpetrators. In fact, this kind of psychological attack can be a far more effective way to harm someone. It can completely destroy a person's life while leaving little or no evidence to incriminate the perpetrators. Additionally, there are the reasons that the stalkers themselves engage in the activity, which have little or nothing to do with why the person may have been targeted in the first place. It is conceivable that the participants in the harassment don't even know why the person has been targeted, nor would most of these individuals have any personal stake in harassing the victim. But certain things are clear - this is an both an addictive behavior as well as a form of entertainment for the stalkers. From the expressions on the faces of some of the perpetrators who come face-to-face with their targets, there is a vicious kind of pleasure that they derive from bullying their victim. Clearly they like the feeling of being "in control". Like our society's current obsession with "reality TV", this activity must inevitably gain popularity as the ultimate experience of "reality" entertainment. Such is the nature of the bottomless pit within the stalkers that thirsts, evermore, for greater and greater thrills. To the perpetrators, their targets are merely their prey, in a game that never ends. But make no mistake, whatever the reasoning behind it, this is a vicious and calculated hate crime.
DESCRIPTION OF ACTIVITIES   The types of activities which take place are often subtle, and sometimes cannot be distinguished from normal everyday things that go wrong, but they typically occur much more frequently than they would normally. David Lawson points out in his book, Terrorist Stalking in America, that the victim is intentionally "sensitized" to the presence of the stalkers, so he or she will know that the occurences are orchestrated. This causes intense psychological strain due to the isolation and ridicule that results when the target tries to share these experiences with others. It is a psychological reign of terror intended to make a victim look crazy and intended to keep him or her in a constant state of anxiety and stress as to "what will happen next" (also known as "hyper-vigilance"). There was a 1944 movie called "Gaslight" about a husband trying to drive his wife crazy, from which the term "gaslighting" was derived. According to Slang City, "to gaslight someone is to drive them crazy by intentionally confusing them. It comes from the 1944 movie Gaslight, in which sweet heiress Ingrid Bergman marries creepy Charles Boyer, who hopes to get her inheritance by driving her insane. He convinces her she's seeing and hearing things that don't exist, including the gaslights (what they had before light bulbs) going on and off when he isn't home." The subtle techniques used to make the wife doubt her own sanity are similar to the techniques used by gang stalkers to unnerve a target. To see a summary by Eleanor White on the topic, click here. For example, the perpetrators (who appear to frequently have access to their targets' homes) may sometimes come into the house while the target is out and move things around a little bit, or spread some dirt on the floor or on furniture, or move an item from the house to the car. But usually they won't cause enough damage to involve the Police. This shows that this activity is a psychological game of cat and mouse, and has little to do with any overt kind of damage that may be caused, such as burning someone's house down or stealing valuables. In some cases, the target doesn't know s/he is being targeted. It just looks as though the world is full of very rude people, and everything s/he owns breaks constantly ("bad luck"). According to Lawson, the perpetrators don't need the target to know s/he is targeted in order to fill the need within themselves that they are in control. See Terrorist Stalking in America for more information.
( http://www.gangstalking.ca/terstalk_2.htm )

Related

Group Stalking, a Growing Menace (Aug. 25, 2006)
http://educate-yourself.org/cn/groupstalking17aug05.shtml

FAQ on Organized Gang Stalking In North America (Aug. 25, 2006)
http://educate-yourself.org/cn/gangstalkingfaq2001.shtml

Poisoning, Gang Stalking & Psychotronic Torture in Canada (Mar. 15, 2006)
http://educate-yourself.org/cn/gangstakingandpsychotronicsincanada15mat06
  Alert They are still stalking me.  I send this out again please help, research on the net to find a way to help us all. 02/16/08

These terrorist are doing everything to me that is mentioned in 'Ultrasonics: Americas Secret Police' @ hiddenmysterious.org.  Plus they are getting people to come behind me and toss some kind of odorless colorless fine powder or it could be a silent spray.  It just gets on me any where and a few minutes I feel irritated and I need to spit some times.  I feel the effects on the left side of my body, face arm and if I don't go and wash down or when it sits too long and I have to spit I take a vitamin and/or drink a power drink these ways seem to help.  I've lost some good jobs over the past 3 years, cause they send/tap people I work with to start putting this stuff on me or in my food/drink sometimes they put anything in my food like a soap.  It was just the last two years that they've been using the sonic wave devices, at 1st I thought it was some buzzer that they put in my mattress or couch; I'd look into the cushions and nothing.  When I sawt help with them watching me and listening to me is when I discovered the site above.  They have allot of agents cause I live in Copperas Cove, TX 76522, and even when I lose the 1st cars following me the surveillance is picked up in Killeen with more cars new to old big to small different races.  I can always tell who it is, well not always most of the time its after they've gotten someone to put the stuff on me.  I've had to throw away so much food or return/exchange it and some stores think that there's something wrong with me, but most of them are in on it too.  The cashier would put the stuff in my bag before bagging my purchases, so now I’ve been saying no bag.  I haven’t had a normal shopping experience in years its crazy.  There are street gangs involved, I know for sure from Chicago the gangster disciples were or are still involved and the black gangster disciples.  I thought for a time and still do think that the masons were or are involved.  I don't know who to trust at times.  Right now I'm saving up to buy some anti surveillance materials to put up in my apartment, but even if that works there, there still is the street day to day.  It hasn’t happened at my new job yet, well not on the inside, but when I go outside to police the grounds someone put that stuff on me.  I have a case going on with the local police, but it seems like its going to take all of me and only with the grace of God to pull through this.  I need help and am willing to help other victims.  They want me to lose control and get arrested, but I’m holding on to my faith.
 
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May 28, 2008, 6:14 am PDT

Newest Village Voice Article by M. L. Tucker

Polygamists were a hot topic on TV late last week; As headlines broke that that the Eldorado, Texas polygamists may get their kids back, Dr. Phil was interrogating a mother of eleven who escaped from Tony Alamo’s Arkansas church.

First, the big news from Texas: A state appeals court found that child protective services did not have enough evidence of abuse to warrant the March removal of more than 400 children from compound run by the Fundamentalist Church of Jesus Christ of Latter Day Saints. The state is challenging that ruling, but in the meantime it looks like at least some of the kids, now in foster care, will be reunited with their parents.

Meanwhile, alleged polygamist Tony Alamo — a 73-year-old pastor whose New York business practices were investigated by the Voice — was the topic of conversation on the Dr. Phil show.

At least for hot minute.

What was billed as a story about cults morphed into another tale of child protective services and whether four particular kids might be better off living in a polygamist church compound than with their mother.

It started with Anna, a mother of eleven who was a member of Alamo’s church from 1989 to 2000. There, she says she was pressured into an arranged marriage and terrorized by her husband. One of Anna’s daughters told the audience how she was forced to fast for weeks at a time as punishment for minor infractions, and was beaten at times with a paddle. After escaping and gaining custody of her kids, Anna’s ex-husband managed to kidnap the four youngest and take them back to Alamo’s compound, where they remain.

Dr. Phil was supposed to help her get those three back, but after Anna’s parental skills came into question, all talk of the evils of Tony Alamo got sidetracked. Apparently, several of Anna’s older children were removed by child protective services after she was accused of abuse and neglect; she admitted to emotional abuse and one vicious fight with a teenaged daughter involving a curling iron.

And thus it ended with Dr. Phil asking: “Do you think that the right thing to do is to get those four kids out of this sect or cult, as you call it, and bring them back to you?”

“Not now, no,” she replied.

A good day for polygamist cults everywhere, or a just a very, very bad day for the kids?

 
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July 3, 2008, 4:27 am PDT

cults

Don't be fooled by the front of cults. I was viciously pack raped, tortured and sodimised by my uncle and aunt in a ritual satanic cult. My mother sent me there knowing what would happen - as it was a 'right of passage' that one of her children would be used in this way. I was 8yrs of age and born to be 'the sacrifice'. I battle daily with this. But I am winning the battle and at 51 yrs after fighting all my life to get over this and other horrific things my mother did to me.....I am finally finding my own voice.

Do not underestimate the power of their threats to keep you silent, nor their grooming of the proposed sacrifice. My advice to others out there who have suffered like me.....be your own hero and go back and face the pain.....working it through until you can finally want to thrive instead of survive. It's not as easy as Dr. Phil would have us believe by just telling you to "choose your way to success"......but he has blessed me by being a strong male role model that perhaps is the father image I would have liked....and I love the way he fights for children and protects them from harm....when he does this it is like he is fighting for me. He holds a powerful mandate and one which reaches the world. Be compassionate Dr. Phil with people who have been programmed, raped and tortured.....and if you say you already are...I wonder whether we who have been there could feel your healing powers if you just showed it a little more.

 
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