Topic : 05/27 The Dr. Phil House: Brat Camp, Part 3

Quote From: fluffyfat

My definition of respect is the dictionary definition: "A feeling of deep admiration for someone or something elicited by their abilities, qualities, or achievements." It's rare that a child has achieved anything yet to earn respect. The mother deserves respect from her child simply because she is the parent. She has carried the child, given birth to him and worked hard to feed and shelter him.

I think we are in agreement that children should be treated properly. The parent has a duty to feed, shelter, clothe and educate the child. The child should be treated with kindness, given health care as needed and corrected without physical harm. I think Wendy has done all that and more.

Wendy does need help in the area of discipline. I don't think Noah needs anymore "respect," his behavior doesn't deserve it. He needs to be taught boundaries and self-control. I hope Dr. Phil managed to get it through to Noah that striking other people and screaming in their face simply won't be tolerated. That's for Noah to learn, not Wendy. My boss has the right to give me orders but I don't have the right to order him around -- that's the chain of authority and Noah needs to learn that. Don't forget that he punched the principal, too. Are you going to say it's the principal's fault?

Somehow Noah has been given the idea that because his mother isn't perfect, he doesn't need to respect her authority in the home. That's just wrong. Most parents have moments when they are at wit's end and raise their voice, possibly even grab an arm roughly or glare at the child. Please. If Noah reeally thinks his mother is "abusive and evil" he needs a wake up call in a juvenile detention home.

Quote From: tyler1

That's so cool you guys are close but have different lives.  When I used to live near my sister my husband and I would ask if they kids could come and stay the night with us.   We'd set up the projector outside by the pool at night and put up a king sheet on the wall.  Then we'd stuff ourselves with candy and popcorn for dinner.  The kids would always ask, "Can we stay up all night"?  I'd say, "Sure if you want to be grumpy tomorrow (haha)".  Naturally they never did.  Now that we live in another state when each niece or nephew is old enough they're allowed to come up and stay with us for awhile.   We have lots of fun and they always want to come back.    All the rules are set in stone when they first arrive.  I set them down, open a huge book of rules, put on my reading glasses, give them a serious look and read them aloud hahaha.   Of course it's meant to be followed, but I say them all in a way that makes them laugh themselves silly.   After that if there's discontant in the tribe along the way,  theres a sit down pow wow, opologies all around, everyone moves on, then the fun begins again.   And yes I do know most kids are much better behaved for anyone other than their parents.  However there's still fights, rude behavior and picking on each other.  We never raise our voices to them, we talk it out and resolve the issue.  I feel they respect us as much as we respect them.   They're not perfect, but man are they all great kids.  They're all so interesting and special in their own way.   

 

Anyhoo,  I think some people are meant to be parents  and some are meant to be aunts and uncles.  I think the latter is us and were happy and proud of that.   

Quote From: roxinred

Obviously the most riviting child as Noah. At least by him being on the show he is never oing toget away with pulling that crap with the cops "My other is abusing me." I think Dr. Phil does not go mano mano with the kids because he is worried about liabity, that is why you see him focusing so much on the parents and not the kid.  I literally could see Noah 10 yeas into the future beating up his girlfriend. It is hard for me to believe that that Noah is fixible. I think h is a lost cause myself. I bet we don't see any follow up shows on him.He is lucky  am not his mother because  well... let's just say he is lucky I am not his mother.

 

So what if she hit him a few times by is own description of what happened she did not cross the line IMHO. She told him to tur te muic down and he didn't do it.I am srprised that is all he has to complain about,again if he were my kihe woudl be having  a lot more to complain about. Many kids have a brother or sister die and they don't turn out like him. His behavior was realy shocking and he is big enough on his own, to know better. I  wonder what he will think of himself when he sees the show, I hope he is ashamed. If I were the mom oft that brat I would prbably just call family services and tell them to pick him up. I really don't thik tihs kid can be fixed.

Quote From: roxinred

Obviously the most riviting child as Noah. At least by him being on the show he is never oing toget away with pulling that crap with the cops "My other is abusing me." I think Dr. Phil does not go mano mano with the kids because he is worried about liabity, that is why you see him focusing so much on the parents and not the kid.  I literally could see Noah 10 yeas into the future beating up his girlfriend. It is hard for me to believe that that Noah is fixible. I think h is a lost cause myself. I bet we don't see any follow up shows on him.He is lucky  am not his mother because  well... let's just say he is lucky I am not his mother.

 

So what if she hit him a few times by is own description of what happened she did not cross the line IMHO. She told him to tur te muic down and he didn't do it.I am srprised that is all he has to complain about,again if he were my kihe woudl be having  a lot more to complain about. Many kids have a brother or sister die and they don't turn out like him. His behavior was realy shocking and he is big enough on his own, to know better. I  wonder what he will think of himself when he sees the show, I hope he is ashamed. If I were the mom oft that brat I would prbably just call family services and tell them to pick him up. I really don't thik tihs kid can be fixed.

Quote From: tyler1

Thanx feisty!  You sound like an awesome mom!

Quote From: tyler1

Thankfully my secret decoder ring has enabled me to decipher all of your easy to spell words that were *mispelled*.    And now..... Dr Phil addressed the parents because they created the chaos they now can not control.   I've known great kids who are not brats because their parents didn't constantly yell, ignore, yank them by the arm, nag, disrespect or raise their hands to them.   You get what you give or do not give.   If people give up on Noah he *may* be an abuser in the future, this is true.  Giving up on him is not only wrong it isn't even an option, he is a child.  Albeit a very intelligent one, but *still* a child.   Parents are responsible for their childrens needs until their 18.  You don't get to quit or give them back.      There's still time Noah.   

 

Oh and I too think Noah's a *lucky* boy you are not his mother.

Quote From: getrealtime

I guess your secert decoder ring has also enabled you to decipher what it is to be a mother who has lost a child???

She did not give up on Noah!!! she gave what she had to give after she lost her daughter, you will never know what it is to be a mother, that catch in your  breath and your heart when you see or hear your child is hurt, let alone watch them die!!!

 

That was the sadest and most ignorant statement what the responsibilitys are of a mother from a non parent!!! I'm sure Wendy didn't want what was given to her, I'm sure  she was not being selfish of herself to Noah!! I'm sure she was on auto pilot just getting though the day, without going nuts!!!!

how long do you think it take, to just get over it and live a normal life when your child is gone???

she didn't lose a puppy she didn't lose a parent, she lost her child, a parents worst nightmare!!!