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Topic : 07/07 Adult Sibling Rivalry

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As a kid, it's normal to fight with a sibling, but what if you grow up to find your brother or sister to be your most-hated enemy? Jodi says what started as an argument with her sister, Shannon, over a pair of pants when they were teens has turned into a spiteful, wicked war. Shannon admits she disowned Jodi, but Jodi has no idea why her sister hates her so much! Will these women decide to bury the hatchet now that their father is fighting for his life? And, twins Kim and Kristen's war of words that began as children has turned into an all-out battle, including an incident in which Kristen broke an umbrella over her sister! What's at the root of their bickering? Is it too late to rekindle their sisterly bond? Tell us what you think.

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July 7, 2008, 8:54 pm PDT

Twins

Watching this show really disturbed me.

 

My twin sister died unexpectedly 10 years ago. 

 

Her death has caused me such pain, such devastation.  It nearly killed me.  I wanted to die.  I am still in turmoil, even after 10 years.  And, yes, I had experienced loss before her death -- our mother having died when we were children, and our father only a year before my twin.  I cannot even describe the pain. 

 

Only a twin can imagine the pain of having 1/2 of your soul ripped away.  My twin was only 33 when she died.  I imagined, no, assumed, we'd grow old together...

 

To see these twins arguing, hating each other, wounds me deeply.

 

I would beg them to make amends.

 

When I think about the ridiculous arguments I had with my twin ... it makes me feel so ashamed and so sad.

 

I would give anything to have my twin here with me again.

 

Please, girls, stop this madness.  You are twins.  Nothing should come between you. 

 

 

 

 

 

 
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July 7, 2008, 9:02 pm PDT

Sibling Rivalry

I really did appreciate this show.  My sister disowned the family back in 2001 all over my dad selling his house to my daughter.  There are just the 2 of us and this just bothers me all the time.  My mother would have been very upset and my dad just tries to ignore the problem.  I'm going to order a copy of todays show and have it sent to my sister.  I'm hoping it might strike a note with her.
 
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July 7, 2008, 9:03 pm PDT

Moms in the Middle

 One thing that got to me was the way these women try to put their parents in the middle, especially their moms. They accuse them of favoring one over the other and/or expect them to somehow solve the problem. But as one mom pointed out her efforts to mediate really don't help. The moms need to step back -- and the siblings need to let them step back -- and the adult siblings need to resolve these problems on their own. Even if the tensions between them go back to mistakes mom and dad made when they were little, they are grown women now and need to stop expecting their parents to intervene. In fact, some of this may even be a matter of still vying for mom's attention -- a "contest"that should have ended years ago. when people say they need to "grow up" -- well-- that's the "first part" of the growing up they need to do
 
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July 7, 2008, 9:12 pm PDT

Get Over IT

 I was raised in a family of 6. My mother totally favored my little sister. My sister stole my clothes all the time. I would go to school and say "I have a shirt just like that"  and then the person would tell me it was mine and my sister loaned it to her.  We fought, could not stand each other. I was mean to her and she hated me.  My sister lived with my mother until she was in her 30"s. My mother would say when I would come over and she would offer me food that there was not enough for me, while my dad was  making 6 digits and I was hungry, supporting myself.  My mother and sister went to plays, were best friend and did everything together. At Easter I am the only single one and olnly one person. My mother asked me what I was doing and I  told her "not sure"  She told me not to come that there was not enough room.  Anyway, today me and my sister are best friends.  I talk to her almost everyday and do not know what I would do without her. We laugh about our fights and being young. Through the power of Christ, I have learned that this life is just a little vapor and it's not about me. I was able to see a bigger picture than sibling rivilray or favoritism.  There are just people that jell better than others. Big deal. Through my mothers babying and fa voring my sister, my sister has anxiety and no matter how life looks from the outside. We all suffer in this life, have short comings, favorites and flaws. I took care of my mother the last month of her life and she died in my bedroom. That was one of the greatest blessings in my life was to be there for her.  I miss her terribly but am very grateful I had a good relationship with her and came to terms with everything.  Once they are gone, you dont get another chance.  Life is short, very short. For your own peace, I hope you can find the power within yourself  to forgive, for your own sakes if not for anything else. God Bless
 
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July 7, 2008, 9:43 pm PDT

Too much Too long

Quote From: lynlovel

 Well, I think it's worth it to try to mend family rifts -- up to a point. But if it doesn't work out or your siblings won't cooperate in this, then I agree that one needs to cut one's losses and move on iwth one's own life. Siblings don't have to be "best buddies"just b/c they happen to be born to the same parents, etc.

So many years, I have walked on eggshells not to upset the applecart where it comes to my 3 yr. younger sister.  All of my llife, I remember our mom saying, "don't say anything," because no one knew what kind of a mood my sister would be in, this time we got together.  She was angry when we were young, and very jealous of my life.  She pushed me to the ground when I was 7 months pregnant.  She makes remarks to get to me.  She makes up stories that she must think are true, but are not.  She cried because our parents were selling the family cabin and she would have to go to a public park with her kids.  They gave her the cabin.  Now, none of the rest of us have felt welcome there ever since.  We were in a church situation, when she walked into the room, and someone had mistakenly thought she was me.  She said that she had been at that church first, and she wished I would just go away.  I sat quietly, and thought to myself, "this time, she buried herself."  Many of the women in the group jumped on her saying that one of their sisters had died, or one lived so far away, she wished she could be closer.  Some even cried.  I am very tired of it.  I have been kind, and I have put up with this, mostly because of our parents, and that we are the only siblings in the family.  This spring, I think it was the final straw.  Our business was not doing well, and we were working on some reorganizing.  We came to one point, where we had a very large order to go out, and no money to cover the materials for it, as well as pay our employees at the same time.  Our employees came to us and said that they could wait for their paychecks until the order went out.   One didn't want to do that and we gave him his check, and he quit anyway.  My sister's son was one of the other employees.  He was the one who suggested waiting for paychecks.  We had no idea, but, the next day, he  quit, and told his uncle that he had rented the space next door, starting a business like ours, and was taking the rest of our employees with him.  Shock.  These guys were the best paid, most spoiled employees in our industry, in our area.  He has moved in next door, our loan was called, and we are almost 60 with absolutely nothing left.  We gave everything for others, always.  His dad felt it was good that he was up and running to be ready when we were gone.  We were not closing, but had no choice when there were no employees to get out $120,000 in merchandise, which would have paid the loan and the paychecks.  We have to start over.  Not only that, our nephew stands outside of the building and tells customers that we are gone and to come over there.  He has called customers all over the country, and stolen our emails, before we caught him, taking our orders.  I haven't heard one word from my sister.  I think if one of my kids did something like that, I would call my sister and tell her that I didn't agree with what they did.  But, I know my kids wouldn't do that.  Her other son also tried to steal businesses from 2 different employers.  It is so painful.  We are so very hurt, and we have nothing.  When you have your own business, you often have to put all of your resources into it., and we did.  Of course, our parents don't want to get involved, or take sides, and they are old, and shouldn't even hear about it.  It is very hard.  I don''t think I can go to family gatherings anymore.  

 
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July 7, 2008, 9:46 pm PDT

My view

That show was quiet interesting. I hope those sisters get along soon. I feel bad for them. "You dont have anything if you dont have family." As life goes on I find that saying to be very true.

 

Both sets of sisters on the show acted immature as well.... I mean physical fights? Come on. Lets get past that. That would be the thing I would say to the twins.

 

But I am sure things will work out for them.

 
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July 7, 2008, 10:17 pm PDT

Kim & Kristen

Quote From: lynlovel

 I think Dr. Phil hit the nail right on the head when he said that a lot of adult sibling rivalry is routed in old hurts that may have little or nothing to do with the current situation. Already sensitive b/c of past wounds, adult brothers and sisters react strongly to new slights, real or imagined, even though their response may be way out of proportion.

I also liked what he said about siblings making the choice not react to a sibling's nastiness. Iwould also add that one can choose to let old hurts go and start fresh (but that works best when all siblings try it, not just one). Might be easier though if sibs apologize to each other for past wrongs, regardless of the "reasons"  they had at the time. Of couirse, all this is easier said than done but probably worht it.

I totally agree.

 

Kristen, how could grow up with a sister you refer to as sarcastic & not have learned by now that she doesn't mean things the way you take them? 

 

 I'm not saying she's guiltless - the comment about your wedding and her miscarriage  was at the VERY LEAST extremely insensitive but I can't tell you the number of times I've seen a baby handed to a relative or friend with the mom saying EXACTLY what Kim said "When you get tired of her/him just give'em back"  And I've never seen anyone's feelings hurt by the comment.  If I had, I probably would have thought the person was having a super bad case of PMS or just a little bit "not right" mentally.   If you're expecting hurtful comments you can put a negative spin on almost anything Kim says and feel so right & justified in doing so that you never even consider the possibility that she meant nothing negative by what she said.

 

IKim & Kristen - Please take advantage of the help Dr Phil offered. 

 

My only sister was born when I was sixrteen and  I love & respect her  tremendously (She's the best mom I know)  But because of the age difference we didn't do the fun things I always wanted a sister for - shopping together, getting ready for dates together, going to a movie together when we didn't have a date but most of all being lifetime friends who could tell each other anything & know we'd never be judged or loved less by the other.

 

I realize that all sisters don't have my wistful version of sisterhood but I think that with the right counselor, a lot of work and and even more shared laughter that you CAN be BEST friends.  There's something very appealing and attractive about both of you & I'm betting that you can get past the old "crap".  I hope that some day not too long from now you'll be wondering why & how all the years of rivalry happened. You'll be sharing hugs, giggles and even a few tears over wasted years.

 
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July 7, 2008, 10:27 pm PDT

Shannon's destructive behavior

Shannon's body language indicated she has no intention to forgive and forget. Her legs were crossed the entire segment and her arms or hands were crossed.  Shannon is very jealous of Jodi. Shannon must forget  about the childhood transgressions. Unfortunately for Shannon and her daughters there was not a banner welcoming them to the grandparents home. Their visit coincided with another grandchild's birthday and grandpa wanted to watch football for a few hours.  She should have used that time to unpack and freshen up, than gone to her nephew's birthday party with a gift and hugs and kisses.  I bet she would have been greeted with open arms. Jodi impressed me as sincere and desires an end to this nonsense. Jodi has pretty features and she has a loving heart. Shannon is ugly from the bitterness and jealousy she has harbored all these years.

 

It is Shannon and her daughter's loss.  I witnessed this family feud in my mother's family. It will destroy the extended families.  They will  be a family in name only on the geneaology tree.  It is sad but true.

 
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July 7, 2008, 10:49 pm PDT

Shannon & Jodi

 First of all - Shannon GROW UP!!  Qiut looking for favoritism, agendas planed only to hurt you, & pleeeeze forget about the damn clothes.  If Jodi didn't "take responsibilty" maybe it's because your parents didn't think the offense (one which I've heard is rampant between sisters  and even mothers & daughters) reqiured hair shirts, a bed of nails & lifelong remorse.

 

The most ignorant thing you did was question your sister's timing for wanting to resolve your differences. 

Heelllloooo, "oh woe is me"  - your father is dying and your sister & mother have enough sense to realize

there's a reason you hear "Life is short" so often. And they also know how much it would mean to your father to see you become loving sisters. 

 

Maybe she's a good actress but I saw real pain & sadness in Jodi's eyes.  All I saw from you is an obvious enjoyment of the drama caused by being the constant victim.  I 'm not positive  what you meant about working so hard to get yourself healthy but it sounded as though you meant mentally.   Honey, if that is what you were referring to, get a new therapuist & don't repeat any of your past work 'cause it aint doin' much!

 

 

 
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July 7, 2008, 11:41 pm PDT

You have wisdom.....................

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 I was raised in a family of 6. My mother totally favored my little sister. My sister stole my clothes all the time. I would go to school and say "I have a shirt just like that"  and then the person would tell me it was mine and my sister loaned it to her.  We fought, could not stand each other. I was mean to her and she hated me.  My sister lived with my mother until she was in her 30"s. My mother would say when I would come over and she would offer me food that there was not enough for me, while my dad was  making 6 digits and I was hungry, supporting myself.  My mother and sister went to plays, were best friend and did everything together. At Easter I am the only single one and olnly one person. My mother asked me what I was doing and I  told her "not sure"  She told me not to come that there was not enough room.  Anyway, today me and my sister are best friends.  I talk to her almost everyday and do not know what I would do without her. We laugh about our fights and being young. Through the power of Christ, I have learned that this life is just a little vapor and it's not about me. I was able to see a bigger picture than sibling rivilray or favoritism.  There are just people that jell better than others. Big deal. Through my mothers babying and fa voring my sister, my sister has anxiety and no matter how life looks from the outside. We all suffer in this life, have short comings, favorites and flaws. I took care of my mother the last month of her life and she died in my bedroom. That was one of the greatest blessings in my life was to be there for her.  I miss her terribly but am very grateful I had a good relationship with her and came to terms with everything.  Once they are gone, you dont get another chance.  Life is short, very short. For your own peace, I hope you can find the power within yourself  to forgive, for your own sakes if not for anything else. God Bless
The wisdom that you have is priceless! Yes, the small, petty things in life should be put away as we grow older and we all need to to learn that our parents will not always be here. Grown children need to stop taking it for granted that their parents will be there forever. I get so angry over this particular subject, when a parent is gone, they are gone forever. And life is indeed very short! You were very lucky to spend that time with your mother, that is something that you will cherish forever.
 
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