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(Original Air Date: 09/09/08) Tammy and Paul were husband and wife for eight years before their marriage ended. After nine months apart, the couple secretly remarried, unbeknownst to their families who endured the drama of the first marriage, and would clearly not approve. Now, just weeks after saying "I do" for the second time, the two are having doubts of their own. Tammy says she caught Paul lying about seeing an ex-girlfriend and searching Internet dating sites. Meanwhile, Paul thinks Tammy's spying is wicked and deceitful. Find out how Tammy's sister, Cindy, reacts to the news of their marriage. Did Tammy and Paul rush too quickly into their second marriage? This time around, lies, allegations of infidelity and spying may break them up for good. Join the discussion.

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September 10, 2008, 7:48 am PDT

09/09 Make It or Break It!

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OMG can people be any more shelfish, stupid, and self centered than these two people.  The minute that man hit his stepson, no matter what else she feels about anything for the rest of her life, she needs to kick his butt out, report this to the police, get a protective order for her & her children, and have him put in jail.  Then she should get an attorney of her own, take what money out of savings & checking to cover lawyers fees and upkeep, and have no conversation with this idiot except through her attorney.  They can work out the visitations, and property settlement later, but the most important think is to protect her children.  Those innocent children have no say in this and this mother has to keep them safe at all costs.  You may find a decent man to share your life with at a later time, but for now, you take care of those children, and make him pay you child support and alimony, until you get back on your feet.  There is not one redeming feature about this guy, and lady you have 10 times more going for you than he does.  Brake It??  It has been broken for a long time, and he is NOT going to change.  Sexual attraction or whatever it is, isnt worth the price you have paid to allow this chaos to come into your home.  Please dump the bumb! Please dont sell you soul to the devil.  Grow a backbone for yourself & your kids.
I couldn't agree more. At first I felt sorry for the wife - and couldn't understand what she saw in him in the first place. But when I learned what he did to her son and she still acted like she didn't know what to do I wanted to go through the screen and slap her upside the head! She claims to be an adult? An adult learns what she needs to know to protect her children and then takes action. All of her other problems with her husband are a distant second to his potential for more abuse of her children.
 
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September 10, 2008, 8:32 am PDT

09/09 Make It or Break It!

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Damegirl, I apologize if I sounded abrupt and harsh...I didn't mean to. I have been where you are and I know how immobilized you can get if you don't take action immediately to get out of a bad situation.

 

I don't know all of your circumstances, as you do not know mine...but, I assure you, I know firsthand that every day you stay in a bad relationship just cripples you that much more....so, be strong and take the necessary steps to make your life better, now, before it's even harder. I do care.

 

You CAN do it.

no, you are  i understood what you meant, & ty.
 
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September 10, 2008, 9:03 am PDT

adstinence makes the heart grow fonder

You know the old saying.  And it's true when you break if off with someone for what ever reasons, in the back of your mind you will always wonder what if we did this or what if we did that.  You think back and remember all the good times and think we "were" so happy once.  And you owe it not only to yourself but your children to try and make it work.  Profession help is really the only way to go, if things are bad enough that divorce is in the picture ,get help.  Eliminate all possible doubts before you get the divorce.  Marriage and a healthy relationship is like anything else in life, you only get out of it what you put into it.  It has to be nurished and given the fuel it needs to stay healthy and alive.  Thats what Dr. Phil meant when he said if you want this marriage to work, put the work into it. 

 

Playing the victum is weak, it's easy to let someone run over you.  It's hard to stand up for yourself and say hey I'm not taking this.  Dr. Phil was right on when he told Tammy to stop playing the victum.  Sometimes you have to stand up for yourself and take responsibility for your self and your life.  You can't blame someone else for your unhappiness, true happiness comes from the inside.  Nothing out side of your self can bring lasting happiness.  It's a state of mind.  I lived in that helpless victum state of mind for years, putting up with a liyng cheating husband.  Seperating, getting back together we were stuck in a rut.  Finally one day I woke up and came clean with myself.  We were never going to be happy together because what made him happy made me miserable. He was a lot like Paul, always belittling me treating me like a child.  There were no sticky notes, but he wanted to control everything I did.  Looking back now I gave him that power over me because I was naive and didn't know better.  And believe me breaking away from that hold was liberating. 

 

And it doesn't matter how you were raised.  We are all given our own minds and free wills.  Whether we were raised poor or wealthy.  By stable or unstable parents.  At some point you have to grow up and take responsibilty for your own life.  And no person should belittle another person just because of the way they were raised.  We can't help who we're born to.  When we're children we don't have any say in how we're raised.  If someone was less fortunate than you were, you should help that person not belittle them.  Build them up not put them down. 

 
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September 10, 2008, 9:59 am PDT

09/09 Make It or Break It!

I always wonder what is wrong with people that need to be told the simple truth. This was definitely not the best Dr. Phil show I've ever seen. Dr. Phil was his usual charming self of course, but those people. ACK! Your husband hits your kid, do you leave? You couldn't ask me that question because all there would be is dust from my trail beating it out of there. You're stupid... buh bye... You're fat... buh bye... You're low class... buh bye... cheating, lying, gambling, abuse, degradation... buh bye buh bye buh bye. How hard is that? I understand that everyone needs help sometimes, but there are people that thrive on the drama. They like to be the centre of attention, and those people you cannot help. They don't really want the help. The husband is just icky, and the wife a drama queen. They are feeding off each other in a really disgusting and loathsome way. 
 
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September 10, 2008, 10:02 am PDT

BREAK IT

I watched this story and I will tell you it's hard to stop caring for someone who says they will change,

but I went through it marred 15 yrs three great kids then he beat me for the last time the day I left him.

It was the day of my Grandfathers funeral, my youngest was 4yrs old & he wouldn't let me have him... I went to the school and picked up my 2 older kids. I filed for divorce. His parents had money and fought for my children and won custody(I listened to my lawyer advise) which was SO wrong!

My EX used my kids to get me to come back....so I remarried him.

For 19yrs I stayed. All the promises (I'vie changed baby we can make a great life I promise.)

I was just like you I married him young he told me I was DUMB, etc...He beat on me right after we were married.

When we remarried my family thought I had lost my mind, I told them I can't leave my children alone with him, it was going to be fine...NOT he was worse. I stayed for 9 more years hoping my children would be able to get out on their own.

My two oldest did make it out but my youngest didn't understand, the youngest stayed and today that child will do whatever his father says to hurt me.

I haven't had a relationship with my child in 6yrs. I have received to calls before but it was only for money to get  out of trouble with the law cause his father couldn't.

I don't make that mistake anymore either, cause it hurts when your child tells you they will come see you & call after you have helped them out and they really don't. You feel even more used and abused now by your child.

Please "Tammy" think of your children before its too late!

And your worth more than that to have someone like him say & do the things he does to you!

It may hurt now but it will hurt a whole lot more in so many other ways if you don't.

 

 
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September 10, 2008, 11:04 am PDT

09/09 Make It or Break It!

I will never understand why some woman except that kind of life for themself, but I really can't understand and drives me nuts is when they put their children in that kind of household and let them suffer the abuse with them. Don't give me the love crap, becauses if you they knew what love was they wouldn't do this to their children.They are as wrong as the person that abuses the children. They might not strike the child but they hold the child there to be striked. Shame.
 
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September 10, 2008, 11:30 am PDT

Who wrote that book?

Quote From: mosander

I was married to such a man. We were together for 10 years. He told me how short of the mark I was every day we were together. Then I read the book "Nasty People". Google it, it is still in print. It described him to a tee. He finds fault with you all the time. They are invalidators.  They need to feel better about themselves so they attack others. There are strategies. Then I found out he was having an affair. We weren't having fun, we didn't do anything together and we had no mutural friends. He told me his mother had died. That was a lie, too. Then I asked myself, "What am I doing here?" I grieved for six weeks, pulled myself up by my bootstraps and made a new plan. I decided that I deserved better. I had been faithful and tried to do whatever made him happy. Then I realized he would never be happy without heavy psychotherapy. Three years later I met the most wonderful man! He is my soul mate. I thank God everyday we have together! I always knew that there would never be anyone else in my life a good as this man! He never wants to change who I am. We still hold hands. Like Robin and Dr. Phil, we never even think about divorce. We have been together since 1997. We got married on Megan Beach in St. Thomas 2-14-01. And I was over 50 when I met and married him.  Tammy, you are beautiful and kind and you deserve someone who loves you, not someone who betrays you. I can tell you he is lying about other women. In his mind, he justifies why he does these things and you can't change that for him. When my husband had an affair, he did me a favor because I never considered a divorce until that. If he hadn't done that, I would still be married and miserable. Now I am sharing my life with my best friend. Good luck! You can be in charge if you choose to do it!  Lady Pilot
I have a somewhat similar story. However we have been married 28 years and I m still going through it. I read you post and immediately went to find the book you spoke about. There are a few different books. Who is the author of the book you read? I know I need help. I can't for some reason get my head together and move on. No one in my life including our children want me with my husband. I have many friends and a successful career. My friends think the world of me. They are like angles gathering around me trying to support me. I know this needs to come from within. I even said to a friend yesterday there is something wrong inside of me that I can't get over this feeling of hurt. My husband is especially nasty to me and our children and has been for years. That book sounds as if it might help me. Thanks
 
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September 10, 2008, 3:14 pm PDT

a much bigger issue

i have recently learned that there are MILLIONS of sex addicts in this world.  these sites....(adultfriendfinder) and others are a new way and form for these people to get together for the unthinkable

i am 5 weeks into the learning of my husbands affair...and "buddies" which he would spend hours on these sites planning and countless $$$$$$ on hotel rooms for the acts to take place during the day

i am crushed....they say i am suffering post traumatic stress syndrom, i am not sure i can ever be whole again

i have learned....ask questions that you woulnt have before, trust your instincts, demand respect....and if you ont get it GET OUT


 
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September 10, 2008, 3:50 pm PDT

Oh Puuuleeeeez!

Who are you trying to kid here???  Does Tammy really think she needs Dr. Phil's advice on whether she should stay in this 2nd marriage???  If she's actually doubting this marriage in her heart and mind, then she already knows the answer!  Some of this sounds like her own fault though.  If she's willing to marry this guy (AGAIN) who puts up sticky notes telling her how to do things, does "research" on dating websites, etc. then wants to go on TV and cry "boo hoo", then it's her fault for allowing him to do this to her.  Also, if she thinks he may have abused her son and she moves back in with him to start a new life, then she is an abuser too by continuing to let it happen!!!!!!!!!     If it's NOT ok with her, then she needs to do something about it!  Either divorce this loser and read the divorce papers making sure she has custody or joint custody of the children, or If she wants to put up with it then shut up about it and get on with her life!  I'm already bummed if this is what Dr. Phil Season 7 is about, I may just turn the TV off.  It's very discouraging to find too many people out in the world who need to play the victim and not do anything to stand up for themselves and make their own life work!!  Some of these couples just need to step back and view their situation from another angle and make their own decisions on "whether they should make it or break it" and not waste our time!  I'd much rather watch encouraging programs and do look forward to the weight loss race for information and healthy living tips, etc.

 
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September 10, 2008, 4:02 pm PDT

PLEASE---BREAK IT!!!!! YOU WON'T MAKE IT!!!

TAMMY, TAMMY, TAMMY,

 

GET RID OF THIS JERK BEFORE HE HURTS YOU OR YOUR KIDS.  BEING ALONE ISN'T THE END OF THE WORLD IF YOU HAVE FAMILY AND FRIENDS WHO CARE FOR YOU.   IN FACT THE NIGHTS CAN BE SO LONG IF THE ONE WHO IS SUPPOSED TO LOVE YOU IS IN THE SAME HOUSE AND DOESN'T.  I'VE BEEN THERE.

 

THE VERY IDEA THAT YOU LET HIM TELL YOU WHAT TO DO LIKE SOME LITTLE KID IS RIDICULOUS!  HE'S A CRUEL JERK TO BOOT.   WHAT IS THERE TO LIKE ABOUT HIM?  HE'S UNFAITHFULL, PHYSICALLY ABUSIVE, A TYRANT, A LIER, ON TOP OF THAT A LOUSY FATHER!!!!   HE DOESN'T MAKE YOU FEEL GOOD ABOUT YOURSELF, HE TEARS YOU DOWN MENTALLY.    WHAT'S TO LIKE???

 

I'VE BEEN DIVORCED OVER 20 YEARS AND YES, AT TIMES LONELY.   BUT I'M NOT AS LONELY AS I WAS WHEN I WAS MARRIED.  I DO HAVE A BOYFRIEND NOW BUT WE WILL MOST LIKELY NEVER MARRY.  I'VE GOTTEN USED TO DOING THINGS WHEN I WANT AND GOING WHERE I WANT TO GO.  I HAVE MANY INTERESTS AND CLOSE FRIENDS.   I ALSO HAVE TWO GREAT GROWN SONS. 

 

IF YOU EVER DO GET MARRIED AGAIN TO SOMEONE ELSE, HE'S GOT TO BE EMOTIONALLY SUPPORTIVE, BUT ALSO A GOOD FATHER FIGURE.  IN FACT,  THAT SHOULD COME FIRST.  AND PLEASE GO TO PREMARITAL COUNSELING.

 
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