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This two-syllable expression is arguably the most divisive word in society. Dr. Phil tackles this touchy topic with help from a panel of outspoken luminaries: civil rights activist Rev. Al Sharpton; legendary comedian and writer Paul Mooney; CSI actor and author Hill Harper; comedian Sheryl Underwood and conservative radio talk show host Michael Graham. First, is there a double standard that allows African-Americans to use this sensitive word, while non-blacks are forbidden? The debate heats up when Rachel, a white guest, says she calls her husband the N-word all the time. Then, should hip-hop artists be censored or fined for using the N-word in their songs? Becky says rappers promote negative stereotypes with their lyrics, but find out who Rev. Al Sharpton thinks should face the music. Plus, does tone or intent make a difference when using the N-word? See what Dr. Phil thinks and share your thoughts here.

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September 9, 2008, 7:20 am PDT

09/12 The N-Word Debate

Quote From: PennyLane78

I was mulling this over while I did dishes because I have to say, so far I don't like the way this conversation is going...it seems to be missing the point...IMO anyway.

Words are words. Words can be used to convey ideas. I feel like it is useless to get upset at a WORD...however getting upset at an idea is something else.

Imagine these two things someone could say:

  • "Stupid n*****!!!"
or
  • "Black people are the cause of all the bad in our world. Slavery should be legal again."
Which one is really something to be upset about?

We had a similar conversation about the f-word a few months ago. I do not find the f-word offensive in the least. I use it when I see fit. It's a WORD.

Someone could come up to me and say one of two things:

  • "F*** YOU!"
or
  • "I hope you get killed by a rabid bear so I can dance on your grave."

Which one am I going to be more insulted by?

My point is, it's not the word, it's the idea behind it. And the ideas behind "bad" words can be conveyed with out the use of the "bad" words. So it seems silly to me to have words that are off limits.

Words are not empty they do have meaning, and this word has great historical meaning behind it, it far out reaches the F word which all races use by far, it was used to degrade those who at one time could not defend themselfs against it.

 

Your two meaning you give above say the same thing, just one is shorter, and leaves the person it is meant for a wider birth of what you  meant and leads to more then less to the imagination.

 
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September 9, 2008, 8:30 am PDT

09/12 The N-Word Debate

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I don't think you understand that people draw their own conclusions when they are insulted. All your examples are implied by the other. Using the n word towards a black suggests that you have ideas that correlate with pro slavery views. Saying F* you is much like hoping misfortune befalls that person. It is funny that the ones saying the word can't be hurtful are the same ones who aren't hurt by this word. Put yourself in the other's shoes for a second and if you can't you shouldn't be commenting on something you do not know anything about. As a black man I feel the people I can identify with the most are gays and women when it comes to inappropriate terms that often get brought up in everyday speech. The double standard that black people have is wrong. Everybody saying the word openly is not wise either cause the term is found more offensive when certain people say it. The proper way is for decent people to avoid using the word. What so wrong with that conclusion? Will it end rascim, NO (niether will using it) but it will no longer divide the people claiming not to be racsit with the blacks who believe in the double standard. We are not trying to fight rascim with this debate we are trying to get on the same page as United Americans. Let the ones who are truly rascist have this word so there is no confusion.

"I don't think you understand that people draw their own conclusions when they are insulted. "

No actually that is EXACTLY what I'm saying. People draw their own conclusions...so why should any particular word become a no-no? It's not about the words themselves.

"Using the n word towards a black suggests that you have ideas that correlate with pro slavery views."

That's a leap. I tend to not make such leaps. If someone says something I take it at face value. I don't pretend to be a mind reader. If you choose to make those leaps, that's your thing.

"As a black man I feel the people I can identify with the most are gays and women when it comes to inappropriate terms that often get brought up in everyday speech."

What do know know. I'm a woman who has been in gay relationships. I am very good at empathy. Almost to a fault. I am not saying that this words DOESN'T hurt...what I am saying is that people CHOOSE to be hurt by it. This word has become a monster because it's been given the power to hurt.  There is no one word that hurts me that I don't CHOOSE to let it hurt me.

"What so wrong with that conclusion?"

Because, it gives the word power to day it is off limits. Every time it's said people FREAK out. It's a WORD. If people didn't FREAK out no one would give a damn anymore. 

I'm a pretty hardcore gay rights person and I feel the same way about words pertaining to homosexuals. And mostly you see gay people embrace these words no matter who says them. You don't see TV shows about the word fa**** or d*** do you? Why? Because they haven't been given that kind of POWER. The power has been removed more or less because for the most part you don't see gay freaking out over it. The power has been stripped by the way they react to those words.

"Let the ones who are truly rascist have this word so there is no confusion. "

Why would you want to GIVE racist people that kind of power?




 
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September 9, 2008, 8:42 am PDT

ONE of Websters explanations

Here is a good example of why blacks should not use the 'N' word when referring to one another.

 

Slaves often pandered to racist assumptions by using the word n****r to their advantage in the self-deprecatory artifice of Tomming(Uncle Tom).   Implicit was an unspoken reminder that a presumably inferior person or subhuman could not reasonably be held responsible for work performed incorrectly, a fire in the kitchen, or any similar offense. It was a means of deflecting responsibility in the hope of escaping the wrath of an overseer or master. Its use as a self-referential term was also a way to avoid suspicion and put whites at ease. A slave who referred to himself or another black as a 'n****r' presumably accepted his subordinate role and posed no threat to white authority.

 
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September 9, 2008, 9:11 am PDT

No power just meaning and we cant change the way people mean to use it

Quote From: PennyLane78

"I don't think you understand that people draw their own conclusions when they are insulted. "

No actually that is EXACTLY what I'm saying. People draw their own conclusions...so why should any particular word become a no-no? It's not about the words themselves.

"Using the n word towards a black suggests that you have ideas that correlate with pro slavery views."

That's a leap. I tend to not make such leaps. If someone says something I take it at face value. I don't pretend to be a mind reader. If you choose to make those leaps, that's your thing.

"As a black man I feel the people I can identify with the most are gays and women when it comes to inappropriate terms that often get brought up in everyday speech."

What do know know. I'm a woman who has been in gay relationships. I am very good at empathy. Almost to a fault. I am not saying that this words DOESN'T hurt...what I am saying is that people CHOOSE to be hurt by it. This word has become a monster because it's been given the power to hurt.  There is no one word that hurts me that I don't CHOOSE to let it hurt me.

"What so wrong with that conclusion?"

Because, it gives the word power to day it is off limits. Every time it's said people FREAK out. It's a WORD. If people didn't FREAK out no one would give a damn anymore. 

I'm a pretty hardcore gay rights person and I feel the same way about words pertaining to homosexuals. And mostly you see gay people embrace these words no matter who says them. You don't see TV shows about the word fa**** or d*** do you? Why? Because they haven't been given that kind of POWER. The power has been removed more or less because for the most part you don't see gay freaking out over it. The power has been stripped by the way they react to those words.

"Let the ones who are truly rascist have this word so there is no confusion. "

Why would you want to GIVE racist people that kind of power?




This word has been around almost as long as America been a country. It's history runs deep. Don't tell me that its meaning and correlation can be wiped away so easily cause it can't and its a dis honor to the ones who did suffer when this word was created. NO one is attempting to give this word power but its word with meaning that includes racist intent. D*** and Fa**** offends me too but these words are unequal for a number of reasons. The N word is a international word. Different continents knows of its meaning and who it is directed to. Other derogatory remarks such as the ones you speak about are not only have different meanings in America but isn't even consistent in other English speaking territory.

 
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September 9, 2008, 10:23 am PDT

the "N" word

so what, big deal, who cares!!
 
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September 9, 2008, 11:58 am PDT

09/12 The N-Word Debate

Quote From: jaukowarrant

This word has been around almost as long as America been a country. It's history runs deep. Don't tell me that its meaning and correlation can be wiped away so easily cause it can't and its a dis honor to the ones who did suffer when this word was created. NO one is attempting to give this word power but its word with meaning that includes racist intent. D*** and Fa**** offends me too but these words are unequal for a number of reasons. The N word is a international word. Different continents knows of its meaning and who it is directed to. Other derogatory remarks such as the ones you speak about are not only have different meanings in America but isn't even consistent in other English speaking territory.

I actually think the IMPACT of the word can be wiped away almost instantly if people would simply stop caring. The word is used to get a defensive reaction, and a defensive reaction is what is gotten.


 
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September 9, 2008, 2:05 pm PDT

09/12 The N-Word Debate

Quote From: PennyLane78

I actually think the IMPACT of the word can be wiped away almost instantly if people would simply stop caring. The word is used to get a defensive reaction, and a defensive reaction is what is gotten.


I totally agree, and on that note...

 

I'm outta here.

 

This is boring already!

 

Good luck all and PEACE OUT!!

 
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September 9, 2008, 3:50 pm PDT

No More N word!!!

I am a very proud Nana of 7 wonderful Grandkids......2 half Spanish, 2 half black and 3 white...I love all of my Grandkids the same, color means nothing.

My 2 black Grands were using the N word at my home......I told them that that word wasnt allowed at my home anymore. How cold I tell my other Grandkids they couldnt say it but the 2 could...so the rule at my house or in front of me is NO N WORD!!!!!

A friend of my daughters came to our home to visit..( very nice guy) he said the N word, and my Grandson said.." oh Dude thats not allowed at my Nana's house" It made me feel so good because he was sticking up for my beliefs.....( the nice young man said he was sorry...

All I can say is that all of my Grandkids are my life.......color just shouldnt matter...just give them all a big hug and tell them you love them....

 
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September 9, 2008, 6:17 pm PDT

The N-Word Debate

          Back when I was in high, If you called someone the N word. You would be a person they would probably take a shot at........
 
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September 10, 2008, 4:14 am PDT

09/12 The N-Word Debate

 As far back as I can remember ,I have heard the N-word used, almost as a part of daily language. Personally I made the choice long ago to NOT have it in my vocabulary. When my children were small, they never heard the N-word in our home. My parents and my in-laws didn't consider it to be a bad word, it was a word they had used all of THIER lives. I told my parents not to use that word around my children. Believe it or not, my grandmother had no idea that the N-word was considerd to be insulting. She was in the hospital one time and my mother and I were standing by her bed. She had an African-American nurse caring for her. As the nurse was leaving the room, my grandmother said, "Did you see my little N-word nurse?"  She didn't mean it in a negative way. My grandmother was born in 1896, and the N-word had always been a part of her vocabulary. When she said that, we said nothing because my grandmother was hard of hearing and wouldn't have understood if we'd tried to admonish her anyway. But, later, in discussing it, my mother and I had two different views. She said that my grandmother didn't understand not to use that word around black people, and I said that my grandmother didn't understand not to use that word at all. As Penny says, it is just a word. But, where I come from, it is a word that has a negative meaning and carries a lot of weight. Yes, it is all in how you allow yourself to react to words, but it is hard to ignore the past and the history behind this particular word. So, as I said, it is not a part of my vocabulary.

 

 

 

 
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