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Created on : Thursday, September 04, 2008, 12:16:52 pm
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This two-syllable expression is arguably the most divisive word in society. Dr. Phil tackles this touchy topic with help from a panel of outspoken luminaries: civil rights activist Rev. Al Sharpton; legendary comedian and writer Paul Mooney; CSI actor and author Hill Harper; comedian Sheryl Underwood and conservative radio talk show host Michael Graham. First, is there a double standard that allows African-Americans to use this sensitive word, while non-blacks are forbidden? The debate heats up when Rachel, a white guest, says she calls her husband the N-word all the time. Then, should hip-hop artists be censored or fined for using the N-word in their songs? Becky says rappers promote negative stereotypes with their lyrics, but find out who Rev. Al Sharpton thinks should face the music. Plus, does tone or intent make a difference when using the N-word? See what Dr. Phil thinks and share your thoughts here.

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September 12, 2008, 6:43 pm PDT

the n word debate

The N word debate i watched this show today and i am sorry but there is a difference with the n word there is the n word with the (er) on the end and then there is the(ga)

The n---er is what the black people DON'T want to hear WHITE America using or saying this is what you didn't touch on

The n----a is like saying  hello what's up we are cool with that and i  feel that people that say they are not saying any more but have cashed in on it or NO better than the next person.(paul mooney) give me a break
he got rich on saying the n word ok

So don't try and tell me that i shouldn't say it    because i am and i always will.

love ya
Carla
 

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September 12, 2008, 6:43 pm PDT

N Word Show

I don't recall hearing anyone say anything on the show about our constitutional rights, and in that respect I think the N word should NOT be banned.

I certainly can understand the comedians using it in a comedic situation and artists, musicians and writer's using it during expression of the arts.

As adults we are mature and know right from wrong.  Adults are mature enough to overlook the ignorant people using this word.   The problem are the ignorant, immature adults who choose to use this word at all and even around young children and or promote the negative use of it,  for whatever reason. 

My ancestors are Native American Indians.  I also have a mother, and many other females in my ancestery.  Should someone living today pay for what was done to them?

 ISN'T THAT IDEA   TOTALLY INSANE?

In fact -- the idea is totally unrealistic and Paul Moony is off,  living a delusional life.  His behavior was totally inappropriate and is a prime EXAMPLE OF AN  IGNORANT IMMATURE ADULT.





 
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September 12, 2008, 6:43 pm PDT

My theory as a white chick

As an attractive succesful white chick, here is my theory:

 

I have a dear friend who is morbidly obese, and has been since childhood.  He constanly makes fat jokes, which drives me up a wall... we had a long heart to heart and I demanded to know why.

 

His explanation after much thought and many difficult questions: He feels that making fat jokes or derogatory comments about fat people offers him a bit of protection.  If he does it, it somehow lets others know that they don't hurt him; that they won't say it, or if they do, it doesn't bother him because he himself already took the sting and hurt out by doing it himself.  When beautiful thin people say it, it hurts.  He is very funny, just like the black comedians using the N-word on TV, and can get a whole crowd just roaring.  But all that humor is just his way with dealing with the pain.  I never thought it was funny, and I called him out privately after years of hearing it.

 

I believe it may be the same with black people... perhaps making "the word" their own and saying it themselves in a lighthearted way is their way of taking the sting out of this hurtful word if others shoud say it. 

 

The problem: It's degrading and hurtful!  Every time my friend did this, he hurt a little bit, only he was doing it to himself in an effort to control it hurt and prevent others from hurting or embarassing him.  He is a wonderful person, a hard worker, and a devoted father... there is so much more to him than just being fat!  How can people see that if they are too busy laughing at his fat jokes?

 

Bigger problem:  I love him dearly and am protective of people I love.  I told him, I would always defend him and anyone else I see being mistreated, and I want to kick anyone's a$$ who says these hurtful things, since when someone I love is hurt, I hurt too. So now, who's but am I supposed to kick?  The person being rude and hurtful, or the person I love and want to protect from this emotional abuse? Because they are the same person.

 

Our agreement:  He will not degrade or put himself down anymore, even in jest.  He will hold his head up high and find other things that are funny to joke about.  For every month he "stays clean" I take him out to dinner, or send him a "motivational" picture (I am an exhibitionist, but that is a whole other topic) as a reward.  If other people say horrible things because of his weight, it's ok to feel hurt.  Let them look like the cruel thoughless people they are... this did happen once, his worst fear, where someone had a hard time getting around him at the bar and let an insult about his weight drop.  He was shocked to see that complete strangers around him stood up and responded and stood up for him, very vocally. 

 

So now, he doesn't put himself down anymore and his confidence has actually improved a little, he gets to see that people like having him around, and that he is still wonderful, funny and well-liked without his fat jokes, and he also get to see that there are good people in the world, and many more than bad ones.  Too bad he was almost 40 before he gave people a chance! After MUCH practice (this is a lifetime attitude) he now knows that even if one person or even a group of people say awful cruel things about his weight, he gets to see the good in the rest of the people who defend him, which is usually the majority.

 

I don't know if it is exactly the same with black people and the "N-word" or even similar, but it is a very cruel and hurtful word, designed specifically to tear down black people.  Seems like it might be similar though, as a way to protect themselves from the pain and sting of other groups using it.  If ALL of us take personal responsibility and object to this word, maybe those who have heard it their whole lives as an insult can also sit back and observe the good in people who will defend them against this weapon of hate.  It is up to all of us though to change the stigma and let those who still use it to inflict pain know that we won't take it anymore.  Just my humble opinion... sorry if I have offended anyone who has been hurt by this word by being clueless or off-base.  I have my own emotional baggage and hurt, but being prejudiced against because of my color is not part of my experience.  I can only try to understand, but it's not really possible not having experienced it myself.

 

One thing I do know... this word does not and will not cross my lips in private or in public. I can only control my own behavior, not anyone else's, but I sleep at night knowing I am not contributing to the problem, or using other's actions as an excuse to.  My friends and family, even the ones who use the word amongst themselves, refrain from doing it around me out of respect for the same reasons my heavy friend doesn't make fat jokes anymore... they don't want to get their buts kicked when I get protective. :-)

 
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September 12, 2008, 6:43 pm PDT

09/12 The N-Word Debate

Quote From: mar_lor1

We as African American people should just stop using the word! It's not an attractive word, no matter how you slice it! It saddens me that we are still struggling with the word today, and we are the main ones who use it. Take for instance the movie Antone Fisher. The Lady featured in the movie, I believe it was Mrs. Tate, used the word often in the movie when she was referring to one of the young foster children she had, Antone Fisher being one of them. My stomach turned every time she said it, And she was African American herself. We need to get it together and stop using the word amongst ourselves, especially when we want to beat down someone of another race for using it.

True That!

 
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September 12, 2008, 6:44 pm PDT

09/12 The N-Word Debate

Quote From: reel2realplaya

He may not have been in slavery, but you can bet the fact that slavery occured has affected the outcome of what has gone ON in his life, family members, etc. what's done is done, however the affects & aftermath of it are not. and I beg to differ with you as far as how bad the Jews had it worse than blacks. Let's remember however bad Jews had it, it wasn't at the hands of White America where they received the bulk of their persecution. There was no slavery for Jews in America. And they didn't experience Jew side, white American side in cafeterias, no Jim Crow era in America for them.

 

I agree with your point that when someone is an a55hole, white, black, Jewish, Hispanic, or whatever, they are still an a**hole, & may be treated badly by others not becauseof the color of their skin,but because they are an a**hole.

Dear god, so the point you are trying to make is that the reason the blacks had it much worse than the Jews was because white were the ones who put blacks in slavery?????? So because there wasn't slavery for Jews in America, blacks had it worse off???? Are you kidding me?? So, because the holocaust didn't happen in America the blacks had it much worse??? Well, regardless of where it happened, at least the Jews aren't going on television shows and complain about what happened to them.
 
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September 12, 2008, 6:44 pm PDT

09/12 The N-Word Debate

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"My people died while being CALLED this word, while being force to believe we WERE this word!"

That is EXACTLY what I said. Go back and read my posts.

I'm sorry, I simply cannot buy the idea that this WORD hurts and not just the perceived idea behind it.  I could call a gay guy f*****...but it wouldn't MEAN anything because I'm a pretty hardcore gay rights supporter.

I think it does no one any good to react to WORDS, especially a singular word. I get that it's a sore spot, I really do. But it's a word. And people choose how they react to words. And people who use a word like that as a way of showing racism don't deserve the kind of attention they are getting!
Do you understand, then, that when using historical context, if someone (black or white) hears a White person use this term.. that there's an assumption of bigotry?
 
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September 12, 2008, 6:46 pm PDT

BET is segregation

Quote From: reel2realplaya

You need to know that white people own BET & sponsor, finance it to keep it running.  ..of course, making a profit in the end. And the only reason you don't see 'WET', is ..1st of all, the idiom spelling "wet" wouldn't go over too good, unless the show flourished with a lot ofhot, sensuous white women,  ..to which most white people, who probably  would own that show, too, would take offense to.

 

Trust me, if there was $$MONEY$$ in it, you'd SEE a WET show kickin' of, baby. So don't feel slighted because there's BET, after all, for decades, since TV originated, ALL of TV was WET. 

Why do blacks watch BET if it makes white men richer?

 

 
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September 12, 2008, 6:47 pm PDT

thank you

Quote From: mmolloy67

 I can't bear to be around anyone who uses this word.  I am a white female and I find this word very degrading to human kind with the history behind the word.
I feel the same way but as you can read --we cannot just all get along and thats sad--but its hundreds of years of hurt , pain, and people being scared of the next and its not just black and white either.
 
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September 12, 2008, 6:47 pm PDT

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Quote From: nlambert21

Let me start off by saying that I am not a racist person, however the black people are always talking about equal rights and what not, so let me ask something why is it alright that the black people have their own black entertainment channel on tv, they have their own black beauty pageants, their own black college foundations etc..   If we started making white only channels, college foundations, pageants and stuff we would be considered racist and not treating blacks and whites equally so why is it alright for them to. It seems to me that the blacks are what is racist now days. Also what is up with calling blacks "african americans" and not calling whites "caucasian". African blacks are completely different from the blacks here in the US. They are very kind and very appreciative of what they have and receive as gifts where as MOST of the blacks here think that everything is owed to them because of what has happened in the past. Let it go. I think that the persons character and behavior and actions is what makes them a N, whether they are white,black, brown, blue. Blacks also have the highest percentage of people in jail and the highest number who is on welfare, so maybe once they start contributing to society instead of take, take take, then that is when society will start looking at them as someone who contributes instead of always taking. It just annoys me for black people to say that we are the ones who are racist when I think that it is the other way around.
As a woman who was educated at a "All Black College," as you so lovingly put it, Black Colleges were not created in the spirit of segregating Blacks from Whites. They were created in the time frame of the mid 1800s to the mid 1900s (In fact, I think the last one was created in the 60s) to accommodate for the racist de jure practices of traditionally white institutions of higher learning. Just like Black Colleges are named HBCUS (that's Historically Black Colleges and Universities), non-HBCUs are titled PWIs (predominantly white institutions.) That's a fact. LOOK IT UP. In the current day and time, many would question why these schools still are around when admissions guidelines are no longer racist like once claimed. Well, the schools still stand because they're providing educations to students, Black, White, Asian, Latino, and beyond... just like every other institution.

Secondly, Black History Month originated in a time - long before it was accepted as a practice to be respected in schools - when American children were raised and being educated about everything EXCEPT the history of African Americans. No disrespect, because I love my US history just as much as the next man or woman, but it is devoid of color and that's just not accurate. At that time, specific parts of history were being left out and outright overlooked and ignored because they involved Blacks. I love to discuss the Civil War, but what about the all-Black brigades that were forced to fight on behalf of the South... the same South that enslaved them... but did their job for the love of a country that didn't love them the same? Aren't stories of that kind of devotion what America's all about? Why isn't that taught widespread?

Black History Month was an answer to the question of "When will we start teaching children about the contributions of African Americans to this country, as opposed to leaving people to believe that all Blacks do is shuck and jive, procreate, and contribute nothing to society?" Clearly, Black History Month isn't doing it's job if you're sitting in this message board spewing such ridiculousness.
 
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September 12, 2008, 6:48 pm PDT

ARE YOU AWARE!?

I think the show on the N word was good this show was very informative in presenting how different ethnic groups including African Americans view themselves as a people. I personally being an African American understand where my more mature brothers and sisters come from when they speak of how the "N" word has a history in its meaning used to manipulate, demean and destroy ones right to live free as a human being. The "N" word was created and designed by a race of  inadequate hateful people to breakdown and destroy another for their own filthy and deceitful pleasure and gain! I myself think that it is a lazy, ignorant and incompetent race of people who could do such a thing to another God created human being.

As for me personally using the "N" word, when I was younger I did I can admit, being under the influence of ignorance and immaturity and a slave mentality was my reasoning. While being an mature adult I think it is not only disrespectful to use the "N" word I think it is very calculating. This was a seed and a plan put in motion centuries ago to destroy and sever a people and here we are again in 2008. What the heck is wrong with the human race? Do we love tearing eachother other down to just feel more superior?

because clearly when it comes down to it we all bleed, die, eat and digest in the sameway! the way God created us! I saw on the board and on the show how white people felt it was reverse racism and that we as Black people are contradicting ourselves when we use the word, What!?  Not a contradiction, but clearly a horrible cycle of a repetitive demise toward a people. Listen it is a seed that was instilled in our race, it went from generation to generation, this is what happens when you teach a people how to view themselves. Just as the majority of white people were raised to believe they were the superior race, by their own ancestors, we were stolen and kidnapped and reprogrammed. Todays African American rather it be a rapper, activist, preacher or commoner he or she is only acting out of what they were programmed to do. Yes I do believe it can change and be stopped by way of example and consistency by our own African race. As we saw today on the show even the scholastic African American attorney could not see the damage she was doing. It is a mind set and if a my people feel as if they are not doing any damage torward themselves and others by using this word, I can honestly say we are still enslaved even in this day! Another thing is if you have never felt the pain of being rejected, belittled, misused, abused, beaten, seperated, and raped by a perpetrator filled with hate and evil while you clean, cook, raise their children while being called a "N" to controll you then you will never feel the pain and agony my ancestors felt! So NO I do not feel that anyone in their RIGHT mind should use this term for anything other than history notes! 

 
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