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Topic : 09/12 The N-Word Debate

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Created on : Thursday, September 04, 2008, 12:16:52 pm
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This two-syllable expression is arguably the most divisive word in society. Dr. Phil tackles this touchy topic with help from a panel of outspoken luminaries: civil rights activist Rev. Al Sharpton; legendary comedian and writer Paul Mooney; CSI actor and author Hill Harper; comedian Sheryl Underwood and conservative radio talk show host Michael Graham. First, is there a double standard that allows African-Americans to use this sensitive word, while non-blacks are forbidden? The debate heats up when Rachel, a white guest, says she calls her husband the N-word all the time. Then, should hip-hop artists be censored or fined for using the N-word in their songs? Becky says rappers promote negative stereotypes with their lyrics, but find out who Rev. Al Sharpton thinks should face the music. Plus, does tone or intent make a difference when using the N-word? See what Dr. Phil thinks and share your thoughts here.

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September 12, 2008, 8:30 pm PDT

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I am sooooo very tired of black people complaining about everything! I am a person who takes a person on an individual basis regardless of race, color, religion etc. I will admit though that black people IN GENERAL are the most frustrating race there is! I am tired of the double standards they have when it comes to using the "N" word. I am tired of the crime! I am sick to death of them using their race as a cop out when things go wrong! I do not agree with the fact that slavery took place under any circumstances! Instead of black people focusing in on slavery issues, they need to look at where they would be RIGHT NOW if slavery did not happen. If you are not happy being an American, by all means please do us all a favor and just go live in Africa! I guarantee you that you have it a lot better here.

As for using the "n" word, as an American, I will not tolerate someone telling me I can't use the word when I feel the shoe fits! Like one smart lady in the audience said, it is only a bad word when you give it power. If you are not a N....R, then the word should have no affect on you at all. I have been called every name in the book due to the line of work I used to be in. Know what????? I don't care!!!!!!! I know I am not any of those things so those words I was called had no effect!

Get a clue man seriously!!!!!

 
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September 12, 2008, 8:30 pm PDT

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I think it is truly sad that, in the year 2008, we still need to have dialogue about the origin, nature and use of the "N word." I've read most of the messages posted and just simply have to say that they reflect the prevailing ignorance of many in this country. I believe that what bothered me most about the comments, shared on this board, is not the insidiousness of the word itself, but that everyone is not allowed to use it. The fact that there are still such strong feelings surrounding the issue is indicative of a more serious problem.

 

If I may implore, White people, please stop addressing the issues of African-Americans as if we are not intelligible human beings. To all those who like to selectively go into African history and/or to indigenous Africans (or African immigrants) for insight into African-Americans, please stop! Indigenous Africans cannot relate to the history of African-Americans because neither they, nor their ancestors were enslaved! They have been able to retain their language(s) and cultural mores and folkways. Indigenous Africans DO NOT appropriate African-Americans. Indigenous Africans are not the vanguard of race relations around the world. Amerian slavery was a very unique occurrence in the history of the world. Also, indentured servitude is a very far cry from chattel slavery. (Please google and/or do the research) And, to the several individuals that are ignorant about history, the reason why African-Americans call ourselves African-Americans is because we are descendants of Africans; those taken from Africa and enslaved in North America. It is the same as Irish, Italian, Polish, Scottish, Jewish, Asian, Hispanic, etc. people that are born in this country but are descendants of the previously mentioned groups. Why can't that be clearly seen and/or understood? Do you hate us that much that you would rather believe we are some mongrels that were dropped to the earth?

 

Bringing attention to the fact that some indigenous Africans do not want to be connected to African-Americans is very divisive and self-serving. I can guarantee that not all indigenous Africans have adverse feelings toward us.

 

Maybe the anger, suppressed guilt, fear and/or hatred should be truly examined. I believe once they have been acknowledged and examined, we can have honest dialogue about racism and it's legacy.

I've been reading a lot of garbage on the message boards.  This is one of the few intelligent messages.  Some of the inane comparisons people are making are ridiculous.  As I said in my own post, I have taught my children that, instead of debating with people why certain things shouldn't be offensive to them, they should instead ask why it is, and then simply learn something and show respect.  This word should only be used to show how, historically, people were so ignorant and cruel and we should learn not to be.
 
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September 12, 2008, 8:31 pm PDT

Missing the Point

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Even though I have Indian in me I considered white. If I goes by what you said then I can't complain about haltered and being discriminated against right? Sorry but yes I can. I'm a disabled American. But according to you I can't complain about having to go in the streets because I can't get on the sidewalks, or I can't get in a building because of steps or a small door, or not being able to park in a handicap spot because some able body person is in it, or being called retarded just because I'm in a wheelchair, or being treated like a decease that needs to be wiped out, etc. But I guess because I'm white I can't complain? Sorry to me it's all the same! Haltered!

I have Indian and Irish in me and I'm considered Black. Now we have our background out the way can we move on now!!! Did you read what I wrote or did you just see what you wanted to see!!! This is why nothing will change because when you try to have a discussion there are people that will post garbage. Listen my post was in response to all the silly post that was on the board. My post was answering silly questions that were raised on the board throughout. I'm not going back and forth with you because Its useless. Do some research and think about your post.

 
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September 12, 2008, 8:32 pm PDT

09/12 The N-Word Debate

I have to say how awesome it was to here everyone talking about such a sore subject and really getting out what they really feel about the n-word and racism. I am a bi-racial women and I have experienced racism my whole life but I have never let it affect me. I went to a bible college that did not allow interacial dating but that was not the reason I went to school (to date) it was to get an education. I grew up in a single family home my mother which was white raised 2 sets of twins born in the same year, all by herself. She took herself to the hospital to have her babies both times because no one in her family would take her because we were black and they were not having any part of it. I call myself a black women because that is how I see myself and everyone else does to and I am very proud of my heritage. I want to say something about the "IGNORANT" women on the show. The red head who told Paul to "get over it" I want to tell her that she needs to keep her mouth shut especially on national t.v. I lost my parents at a very young age and
I still have not gotten over it, you don't get over something that affects your day to day life and slavery and racism affects peoples lives and how they perceive the world to really be. I grew up in a all white church and me my sisters and brother were the only black kids in our school . My mother shielded us from a lot of things that would go on behind our backs, so when she died it all came out, I was a n---- and a half-breed (my "best friend" said that one) and it really hurt, thats when I opened my eyes and saw the light. To the girl who thinks she can say whatever she wants to say she better watch her back because the whole nation just say how "IGNORANT" she really was. And to the girl who clutches her purse and has the nerve to talk about BET and how black people scare her (thats what she really was saying). My place of business got robbed in 3 different locations one on the "white" side of town and 2 on the gangsta side of town, guess who broke into our places of business? WHITE PEOPLE  so on that note she needs work from home and never ever go outside because there are crazy people every where. And to Paul Mooney I LOVE YOU, he never holds back and thats the lesson we can learn from him, he's not racist he just speaks whats on his mind and how he sees the world. So my opinion is lets all stop being "IGNORANT " to what is really going on, there is still racism today and its not just against black's open your eyes.

P.S. did you notice how I used ignorant about 3 times (What does the n word mean)

 
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September 12, 2008, 8:32 pm PDT

WHY THE N-WORD IS OK IN THE BLACK COMMUNITY

When I hear this topic being discussed over and over again. I can't help but wonder why we constantly debate this issue about the n-word. What don't non-blacks understand about the n-word. That fact of the matter is that the word was use to degrade and humiliate a whole group of people.  Yes black people use the word amongst each other. Yes they use it as a term of endearment. The fact is that for hundreds of years whites use the n-word to describe a race of people in a degrading manner. These were not people that they valued as a friends, neighbors, co-workers and associates. These were not people they even thought as brothers or sisters or people they consider equal to themselves. They use the n-word to describe a group of people whom they didn't even considered to be humans. They use it to describe SLAVES PERIOD! ( SEE WILLIE LYNCH LETTERS FOR FURTHER DETAIL) The fact is that white folk, have never use the n-word for any purpose other than the disrespect of blacks period! So here is my suggestion to all non-blacks who want to say the word N*****.  I say use it.  If you feel that we are now living in a day and time, that  it is ok for you to say it. Then by all means do so. Start next week on Monday with the people at work!  I personally empower you to do it. On Monday morning go find the black co-worker whom you are cool with and greet them as your n******! Then also use the word with your fellow white co-workers. Their actions should help you determine If this was a good idea or not. White people should realize that you've had your time to use the N-word. During which you use the n-word  without impunity or fear of retaliation. No one could stop you from saying it and law protected you from harm when you did. As a matter of fact those same laws still  protect you too very this day.  So I say to non-blacks if you feel like you should be able to say the n-word. Then why do you need permission from blacks. Will our confirmation some how make it better for you? When you decide to let the n-word part from your lips. If so then this black person gives you permission to say it.  By all means go for it. P.S. GOOD LUCK!!!!!!!  

 
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September 12, 2008, 8:33 pm PDT

09/12 The N-Word Debate

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"I am a person who easily admits when they are wrong..."

LOL Obviously not, but it's ok. You're cool anyhow, even though you're wrong as hell. LOLOLOL
I can only imagine that we are some how talking past each other...LOL

Because, I cannot imagine what you mean...either way...

We'll just have to agree to disagree....unless either one of us cares enough to try and sort it out and my friday-night-brain is not up for it!
 
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September 12, 2008, 8:34 pm PDT

Black People Can't Be Racist.

I heard a young woman call Paul Mooney racist, how about, prejudice.  Racist is what white people were, RACIST ="Systematically oppress a people"  Black people in this country, have never done that.
 
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September 12, 2008, 8:35 pm PDT

A Divided People

 

 A divided house can't stand, what about a nation?  We are Americans that's it  I am not black my skin is to light, I am not White my features suggest other, I am not Hispanic nor native.  I am just American born and raised.  I didn't come from Africa, I came from California, I didn't grow up on a plantation, although some of my ancestors did.  Get rid of the question of race, we are one race AMERICAN RACE.  

 

I've lived abroad, and no matter the color of your skin, they say we are American.  It's ashame we find ways to stay apart, it keeps us from becoming the great nation we should be.  We have never been, due to past disasters and massacres, and we never will as long as we Americans stay divided.  The N-word is another reason to stay divided.  Some words just shouldn't be used at all and this is one of them.  Go deeper see the truth A DIVIDED NATION CAN'T STAND    BE AMERICAN  when asked mark other and write in AMERICAN

 
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September 12, 2008, 8:38 pm PDT

09/12 The N-Word Debate

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I OFTEN WONDER WHY DO MANY ATHLETIC CLUBS LIKE TO USE FIRST NATIONS ( I AM CANADIAN....THATS THE TERM WE USE) NAMES TO SYBOLIZE WHAT THEY STRIVE TO BE........BUT AT THE SAME TIME LIKE TO JUDGE......JUST AS YOU HAVE DONE.........?????

 

I AM SURE IF YOU WERE ADMIRED........ONLY THEN WOULD YOU KNOW HOW MUCH YOU ARE WORTH!

i think it would be an honor to have a college team named after you.  i do think it is politically incorret for some names,  .....but Fighting Sioux????  give me a break.....there is a high school team in South Dakota that are called the Redmen....before their basketball team starts playing they have an native american in their band that plays what sounds like war drums...that is going a little too far even for me.    But Fighting Sioux????   i guess we should say you can't say the fighting irish either.

 

 

 
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September 12, 2008, 8:38 pm PDT

Double Standard? Learn from my mom and grandma.

BET? What about Black Miss America Contest? What would happen if there was a White Miss America Contest? I know as well as you what would happen, it would never see the light of day. If we are equal, let's be equal!! The real thing that struck me early on in the show, and it was quite "normal" so noone made mention of it, is how Ms. Underwood seemed up in arms to think about being in bed with Mr. Graham (a white man of all things). If he had said to her "I'd never be in bed with you" I believe everyone would have screamed "RASIST!" or "you're too good to sleep with an African American?". Why is that? I have four birth sons (white) and one "forever" son (black) that I adopted. I absolutely refuse to use the N word in my house and no it's not just because of my son. It's because I was raised to be a lady by a lady. My mother was raised during the Depression, a time when if a black man was walking down the street, the white children were told to cross so as not to be on the same side as "them". My Grandmother told my mom the opposite, she'd say "don't you dare cross that street. You greet those people as you walk by, God loves them the same as He loves you." Everyone could learn a thing or two from my grandmother and my mom. I've raised my sons to love...plain and simple...it works.
 
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