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Topic : 09/12 The N-Word Debate

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Created on : Thursday, September 04, 2008, 12:16:52 pm
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This two-syllable expression is arguably the most divisive word in society. Dr. Phil tackles this touchy topic with help from a panel of outspoken luminaries: civil rights activist Rev. Al Sharpton; legendary comedian and writer Paul Mooney; CSI actor and author Hill Harper; comedian Sheryl Underwood and conservative radio talk show host Michael Graham. First, is there a double standard that allows African-Americans to use this sensitive word, while non-blacks are forbidden? The debate heats up when Rachel, a white guest, says she calls her husband the N-word all the time. Then, should hip-hop artists be censored or fined for using the N-word in their songs? Becky says rappers promote negative stereotypes with their lyrics, but find out who Rev. Al Sharpton thinks should face the music. Plus, does tone or intent make a difference when using the N-word? See what Dr. Phil thinks and share your thoughts here.

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September 13, 2008, 12:02 pm PDT

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Why does it have to be that I dislike some one just because of their skin color? Are people of color never obnoxious or annoying?

To Paul Mooney: Why would I dislike you based solely on the color of your skin, when there are so many other reasons to dislike you?

 

AND to Dr. Phil: I CAN NOT BELIEVE YOU LET THIS MAN ( AND I USE THE TERM LOOSELY) TELL THE LADY IN THE AUDIENCE TO SHUT UP!!!!!

I lost some of the respect I had for you when you did not stop him right there and demand that he give the lady in the audience the same respect he was expecting from everyone else. You blew it DR. Phil!!

 
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September 13, 2008, 12:02 pm PDT

Fight back by not fighting

Quote From: cornell74

Your right we are discriminated against as whites. They have a magazine called Ebony, I wonder if we can have one called Ivory. I say we start crying racism and steel the race card from them. I am tired of hearing it and am ready to fight back
the underlying issue isn't the word, its the "US" against "THEM" attitude.  I say we acknowledge the fact that our ancestors acted in a way no word can describe and we are ALL a part of this history.  Telling someone in pain to 'get over it' has never worked and in most cases it just seems rude. It  would take the same amount of time to really listen and show love and patience to a person as it does to blow someone off. Personally I won't ever need to have pride in my race to feel whole as a person.   The truth is I want to have and give respect to people of every race even when we disagree.  I am not black and never will be I will never understand exactly how it feels to be black. What I do know is there is a lot of grief that has been unexplored for all of us.  We do want the same thing, your statement reflects that you just want this to be over the veil of shame to be lifted. Its time for the fight to be over.  It hurts all of us that its lasted this long.
 
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September 13, 2008, 12:03 pm PDT

FACE THE FACTS

Lets Face The Facts Hollywood, and the stars set the trends in America, the N-Word Will Continue To Be Used In America Until, The Stars In Hollywood Stop Putting It In Their Music, Jokes, T.V. Shows, And Even The News...  I Honestly Think That Even Having A Talk-Show, That Talks About Is A Bad Idea, If We Really Want To Erase The N-Word, It Should Be Discussed In Private, With Hollywood Directors, Movie Stars, Song Writers, And They Should Agree That They Will Not Use The N-Word Anymore!

 
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September 13, 2008, 12:07 pm PDT

I Read It Carefully

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I have Indian and Irish in me and I'm considered Black. Now we have our background out the way can we move on now!!! Did you read what I wrote or did you just see what you wanted to see!!! This is why nothing will change because when you try to have a discussion there are people that will post garbage. Listen my post was in response to all the silly post that was on the board. My post was answering silly questions that were raised on the board throughout. I'm not going back and forth with you because Its useless. Do some research and think about your post.

I read what you wrote but maybe you can tell me how to read this statement the right way! You said, "For some white people to say that they understand or go through the same thing as Indians, Blacks, Asians, and Spanish people are a joke." I'm sorry but to me that means that a white person can't understand what Indians, Blacks, Asians and Spanish go through. I say your wrong. Like i said I'm disabled. yes I know that disabilities breach's the color barrier but how AA or Blacks, which ever you prefer, were and are treated and how the disabled were and are treated is the same. Here are the things we, the handicap, have and still do deal with:

 

1. People who are disabled are considered beneath everyone else.

2. Because we are disabled people think and call us retarded. Retard or the N word what's the difference?

3. When I go to a restaurant I just can't sit any where. I have to sit at a table that is called a disabled booth which is usually in a corner surrounded by windows. What am I a side show freak?

4. When we moved to a new town all we heard was people complaining about another damn cripple.

5. When I go somewhere people look at we with disgust.

6. We had to have a list of laws and rights signed in by the government. The one big difference is ours is never enforced.

 

So to say that white's can't understand is wrong. I'm not saying that all white's can say that but those like me and their brothers, sisters, and parents can. I know that you or somebody will say that being AA/Black and disabled is not the same. However, I say that hatred is hatred and it all needs to stop!

 
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September 13, 2008, 12:10 pm PDT

Im Rachel from the show

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I wish someone would enlighten me as to why White people feel they have a stake in this debate. So Black people (some, anyway) can say it to each other but White people can't, so what? Do you want to? Then go ahead. It'll say more about you than anything else you do and you would have to suffer the consequences of being judged as a racist or a bigot.

I've yet to see one of the "Get Over It" folks on this board discuss the doll test that Paul Mooney brought up or the resume test Hill Harper brought up. White folks rarely want to discuss the very serious, pervasive institutional racism that continues affect Black people in the nation. Forget hundreds of years ago,  let's talk all of the things that were used to oppress Black folks AFTER slavery, who's effects are still being felt in our community today (redlining, for instance).

I will gladly talk about the doll test. Is it true that black wear weaves? Why is that? I would guess its because they are proud of their god given hair. I would guess that Tyra Banks would not be a supermodel without her weave. My point is simple. Do the test with black dolls having pretty hair then tell me the results. Children speak the truth.
 
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September 13, 2008, 12:10 pm PDT

09/12 The N-Word Debate

Quote From: peachy_in_ga

First of all let me say I am a 30 something white woman.  My best friend is a black women and I love her as though she is my sister.  Most of my other friends are also black.  Many people are raised as racists and others become racists by experiences in their life but it is still your choice.  Let me give you an example:  I spent about 4 years of my life (ages 8-12) in a small town called Woodbury where 90% of the population were blacks and 10%  were whites.  I rode a school bus where there were only 4 white kids (including me) on this bus.   Alot of bad things happened to me (by blacks) while I lived in this town.  I was called Honkey, Whitie, Cracker, etc. The point I am trying to make is do I hate black people for what happened to me in this town?  No way!  I do not judge all black people for what others in their race did to me so I wish blacks would not judge me for what my ancestors did to their ancestors. 

 

The definition of the N-word to me is: a lazy no good person who does nothing for herself/himself or society.  It in no way represents a race or group of people.  Let me remind you I am from down south and I know how the old timers have used this word.  However, like I said it is the persons choice as to how they use it or what it means to each individual.

 

 

Someone on the show brought up BET and Hill Harper said that BET is owned by Viacom.  It doesn't matter who it is owned by the point is that it exists the way it is.  Blacks have BET( I don't care that it is owned by Viacom), Negro College Fund, NAACP, etc..  If white people had WET, a White College Fund, or anything else primarily for white people all hell would break loose and we would be called racists and all of these things would be boycotted. 

 

It really touched a nerve with me when Mooney very angrily told a white woman that she is a minority.  I as a white woman in this country feel like a minority.  One of my favorite clothing stores employs mainly black women and most of the time when I shop there I am ignored or they act like I am bothering them by shopping there.  Do I go to another store?  No, like I said I love this store and its their problem as individuals not mine if they resent me because I am white. 

 

I understand the "black slavery" and I wish it never happened but it did. I did not enslave anyone nor did any of the white people alive today.  Did you get that?  No White Person Alive Today Enslaved Blacks!!!  This mess is never going to stop as long as "black people" have the attitude that we (white people) made them slaves and owe them everything.  Let me say though that not all black people feel and act this way but it seems the majority does.  Each of us (ALL RACES) have to take responsibilty for our own actions, thoughts, and behaviors if we are ever going to live peacefully in this great nation of the USA.  I just wish we could be "One Nation Under God" regardless of the color of our skin.

 

 

 

There were so many points in your post that are wrong but you don't know me so how about you bring up those same things to all your Black friends and hopefully they'll help you see how wrong you are.
 
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September 13, 2008, 12:10 pm PDT

get over it !!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

you know we are not going to get a long any more then school children or families if they don't see eye to eye why would we with the word n*****? if you don't like white  or you don't like black who cares .
its not about you life's not far you will see the USA they way you want .in fact if we never had slaves where would you be today ? dieing of aids ? living in a box in Africa ? that country wont ever get on its feet ,have you ever hard that the Apple doesn't fall far from the tree ? don't push me and i wont push back !!!!! i know that black are far more racist then whites if we are so racist why are we helping to feed Africa ? ,bottom line we identify with what we see like any other animal  and if i don't like fried chicken don't tell me how good it is , proud to be a American u.s.m.c.
 
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September 13, 2008, 12:12 pm PDT

09/12 The N-Word Debate

Quote From: dina_beana

At the beginning of the show, Ms. Underwood was making excuses for why she uses the N word. She said that if she was in bed with Mr. Harper, she would have said something to the effect of "N'er, wax that good." When Mr. Graham asked what she would say to him in bed, Ms. Underwood seemed up in arms to think about being in bed with Mr. Graham (a white man of all things). She said "I'd NEVER be in bed with you".If he had said to her, I believe everyone would have screamed "RASIST!" or "you're too good to sleep with an African American?". Why is that? What's with the double standards? It drives me absolutely mad how white people in general are evil. Why is it ok to steryotype us?
Okay, you're just being silly. Maybe she didn't find Michael Graham attractive. So Ms. Underwood can't have a double standard about fantasizing about having sex with a young Black man and not having sex with an old White one?
 
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September 13, 2008, 12:13 pm PDT

09/12 The N-Word Debate

The 'N-word' debate was so colored (no pun intended) by political correctness that it was practically irrelevant.  If the producers had any guts at all the discussion would not have been about the 'N-word' with a group of 'African-Americans'.  It would have been about the word 'n*****' with a group of Negroes.  No wonder the word still has power.  Sociology is not my field, but I feel that the root cause of so many of America's sociological problems is hyphenated Americans.  Unless one is Caucasian, there are no just plain Americans.  Everyone else is a member of a balkanized grievance group; African-Americans, Asian-Americans, Hispanic-Americans, Native (-) Americans etc, each with it's own goals, names and jargon.  Some groups are more heavily into the grievance concept than others.  Only the members of a particular grievance group are allowed to use the groups names and jargon.  Nobody else is allowed.  That's why, for example, non-Negroes cannot say 'n*****'.  Unfortunately, the Dr. Phil producers, because of their tip-toe approach, accomplished nothing of any value with this program.
 
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September 13, 2008, 12:15 pm PDT

I won't use the word

The first time I heard "that word" I was a child watching the civil rights marches on the evening news.  I will never forgot how the word was used.  I will never forgot the look on the faces of those that used the word.  There will never be a time for me when "that word" will ever be rehabilitated and acceptable for use.
 
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