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Topic : 09/12 The N-Word Debate

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Created on : Thursday, September 04, 2008, 12:16:52 pm
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This two-syllable expression is arguably the most divisive word in society. Dr. Phil tackles this touchy topic with help from a panel of outspoken luminaries: civil rights activist Rev. Al Sharpton; legendary comedian and writer Paul Mooney; CSI actor and author Hill Harper; comedian Sheryl Underwood and conservative radio talk show host Michael Graham. First, is there a double standard that allows African-Americans to use this sensitive word, while non-blacks are forbidden? The debate heats up when Rachel, a white guest, says she calls her husband the N-word all the time. Then, should hip-hop artists be censored or fined for using the N-word in their songs? Becky says rappers promote negative stereotypes with their lyrics, but find out who Rev. Al Sharpton thinks should face the music. Plus, does tone or intent make a difference when using the N-word? See what Dr. Phil thinks and share your thoughts here.

Find out what happened on the show.

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September 13, 2008, 4:57 pm PDT

You reminded me of something Dr. Phil said on Dr. Phil Show.

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In basic psychology 101 you are taught that nothing someone else says to you can really effect your life it is how you choose to react, to a certain degree I concur.

 

On the other hand, look at children when they are made fun of call and called names it spreads like wildfire among children, and then before you know it they are socially isolated and not wanting to go to school because it is a war zone. As we get older, we are chosen for jobs, admitted to colleges and are successful based on our skill set, it would take one person to start lies or rumors about someone to ruin careers, marriages and even start wars. So to say words have no power is a little naive, at best... at worst it can destroy lives.

DR. PHIL QUOTE:

"This situation needs a hero. Sometimes somebody has to step up and say, 'You know what? There has to be somebody here who is not to going to take the bait, not going to react, not going to get involved in the vitriolic rhetoric.' Everyone of you can qualify in that way.

IF you let anybody — anybody — affect the way you feel to the extent consumes you, you're giving your power away.

Dr. Phil says when people have said offensive things to each other, and no one is without blame. Not even God can change what has happened. What you can do is go forward from today.

Dr. Phil urges someone to take on the role of peacemaker. "

I think often, like on the Dr. Phil Show on Friday September 12, 2008, that Dr. Phil takes on the role of peacemaker. Perhaps, we all should follow his lead.

You make a lot of good points and I think you are an asset to the Dr. Phil Website, being a sharing/caring member, and I hope that you stop by more often. Sincerely, fellow Dr. Phil Website member, SEA
 
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September 13, 2008, 4:58 pm PDT

It can't Be Buried

I As an African american feel that the word shouldn't be used by anyone at any time at all not even in personal life. think of it this way, if it's okay to say it at a certain time who really has the right to say when the right time is? if a certain race is allowed to say it we can't instantly say that The race that came up with the word have a right to say it because their race came up with it because then African American will either protest against it or say that they have the right to say it because their people live hundreds of year being called that words.

 

The word doesn't offend me at all and im serious when i say it doesn't and it really shouldn't since im only 16 and i wasn't raise on being called that word. However, I was Raised to know my roots and my history and sadly that word has popped up alot. The only reason i get upset with this word is that people all around people of different races and background say the word loosly like it's a simple hello or goodbye and all of them have no idea of it's History or how many people have died, gone to jail, been beaten, risked their lives to get rid of that word and here we are maybe more then 30 years later using the word as term of affection? Thats what hurts me the most about this.

 

sadly no matter what anyone says the word won't be buried and it wont be forgotten.i don't even think it should. When this show came out and i whated it i remeber some woman yelling "Slavery Happend so long ago Get over it" which the only thing i can really say about that is, why do we have to get over it? We have to learn from the Mistakes made in the past and simply "Getting over it" isn't by any means learning from it.Besides, you just can't take all those hundreds of years of the use of the word and it's history and simply bury it or swipe it under the rug it just can't be done.

 

Im not trying to give my race the right to say the word and im not trying to attack white people when it comes to them blaming us for the use of the word, they're only trying to defend themselves from us attacking them. I simply think that no one should say it at all not Black People, not White people and no otehr race either. The only time that the word should be used or said is in a historical book or a text book.

 
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September 13, 2008, 5:00 pm PDT

educate me

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The N-Word debate just proves the blatant lack of education in this country.  It is  hard to believe that grown people in your audience regardless of their racial origin, exposed their ignorance on national television.
Bury the word because historically, it is the right thing to do finally.  And for God's sake read your history!
Please educate me on exactly what  part of history did the audience (and me) miss? Educate me please.
 
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September 13, 2008, 5:12 pm PDT

09/12 The N-Word Debate

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There were so many points in your post that are wrong but you don't know me so how about you bring up those same things to all your Black friends and hopefully they'll help you see how wrong you are.

Please explain to me the many points in that post that are wrong?

 
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September 13, 2008, 5:22 pm PDT

A little disappointed

     Really I'm a bit disappointed that Dr.Phil didn't stop or correct Paul Mooney for his belligerent and racist statements made towards the people in the audience.

 

     I think paul Mooney showed himself to be nothing more than a hardcore racist, he spewed nothing but ignorance at the audience members who were given an opportunity to speak-The very moment he got hostile he should have been corrected.

 
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September 13, 2008, 5:39 pm PDT

Terminology

I see a lot of people making reference to the terminology "African American" and from what they post they are under the assumption that it was "African Americans" that coined this terminology. Well they Didn't, it Was individuals in the government and health system that created this terminolgy to describe some one of African ascent who was born in America. I also seen some one refer to the "Drop of blood" stating why is it if a African American has a drop of white blood do they not call them selves white? The answer is the Courts deemed that if an individual had even a drop of black blood he/she was then characterized/classified as a Black person, so again when some one is yelling at some one for saying they are Black even though they have white blood it is not them! It was the Courts, the Law.

People were not given a legal choice as to how they wanted to designate themselves...

We can however, ensure that the " N' word becomes archaic and socialy, politically, and personally unacceptable in all forums, because it is another word to cause division, angst, hurt ect, so let us not use it. And hopefully start taking a good look at how we as human beings are being catagorized, disected, and divided by being classified as anything other than what we are, which is Human, yea I belong to the human race just like every one else.

Tammy

 

 
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September 13, 2008, 5:50 pm PDT

Not right no matter what

I did not get to watch the show so I cannot comment on what was said.  I will have to catch it on the rerun.  I do have an opinion on the N-word.  It should be outlawed like using God's name to damn people, calling people with learning disabilities retarded, calling overweight people fat, and calling people of other beliefs vile names that I have heard and do not want to repeat.

 

When we first attack the Creator, then whats next, the created starts attacking each other.  I know some will say I have not stock in this, but I do.  I am a woman who has been called vile names by people just for standing in line at the grocery store.  I have been physically violated for being in the wrong store and being a white/american indian woman.  Racism, if it were the real issue, is on all sides.  But the real issue is lack of respect for human life and for the Creator who created it.

 

I am from the south and I am not completely ashamed of my southern roots, but I am ashamed of how many black people have been treated in the south and I try to be understanding when then treat me with lack of respect.  My problem is, the ones who are usually treating me with respect are the older generation who lived through the worst of it.  They, for the most part, are loving and caring and would do anything to make you feel comfortable and cared for.  It is the younger generation who have felt the need to make people pay, even people from their own race, and this is all races I am refering to.  I did not, never have, nor ever will call a black man or woman the N word.  I cannot answer for my brothers and sisters, but I know I don't and won't because I have been abused and violated and treated with dire disrespect and I hated how it felt.  As one of my ancestors said long ago, until you walk in a mile in a man's moccasins (shoes), you will not know their life, their pain, their feeling, their love. 

 

Using God's name to curse or as a joke, using the N-word as a word to describe God's creation and using other words including retarded to describe God's creation is never ever right no matter what. 

 

It is time for us to rise up and decide we are more intelligent than that.  I am chosing to be smart, not stupid.  I may need that hand to reach out to me, whether black, white, yellow or mixed, at my time of need so I will not cut off my own nose to spite my face and insult them.  These are my thoughts popular or not.

 
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September 13, 2008, 6:03 pm PDT

Seriously?

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Really I'm a bit disappointed that Dr.Phil didn't stop or correct Paul Mooney for his belligerent and raciststatements madetowards the people in the audience.

I think paul Mooney showed himself to be nothing more than a hardcore racist, he spewed nothing but ignorance at the audience members who were given an opportunity to speak-The very moment he got hostile he should have been corrected.

Dr. Phil,  Come on.  Why would you allow that Paul Mooney to behave that way?  He was so rude!  He didn't not have the objective attitude to be on your panel....... unless you wanted to have a white hater on the stage.  I was disappointed that at times you stood back and grinned.  Weren't you appalled when he told the woman to shut up?  Your show only fired up millions of people to further the use of n*****.  Yes, I said n*****.  This is America.  I was born of American natives, with a mix of English, Irish, German and French.  I have been called cracker, bitch and jerk....by a black, a bastard and an offensive driver.  I can't stand AL Sharpton,  he isn't a reverend.  Dr. Phil, your show is losing it's class that you started with.

 
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September 13, 2008, 6:05 pm PDT

so very wrong

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You know what irrates me with white people when they want  to constantly tell black people that they nor their ancestors didn't own slaves and to get over it. The fact is you have never experienced what is means to be black you don't have to worry about where you can choose to live work eat or raise a family.  Please white america stop saying that racism dose not still  exist just because we finally have a black man who is running for president you all ways want to stick your head in the sand and not see america for what it is it still is very racists and always will be and to put you out their correct the african american man is still thee  only feared man in america wheather or not you want to admit it thats  on you because I for one as an  AFRICAN american woman don't have any problem with people like you who are in denial  about my race of people.

And by the way to all those white women out their that merry black men you still just don't get!!!!

 

   First off where are you constantly hearing white people saying thet they and their ancestors never owned slaves? I haven't heard it much at all myself.

 

   Second, race doesn't dictate where a person can live, eat, or get a job: we live in America and the year is 2008. Also I can honestly say that none of my ancestors owned slaves, I'm half white and half asian: Half of my ancestors weren't even here during the slave years and the other half were poor field workers themselves.

 

   Third, yes racism does still exist, but it flows in all directions. Racism is not just white on black, its every race on every other race. I know this for a fact from my own personal experiences:

 

1 instance when I was assualted because I wasn't black, another where I was pushed down a fleight of stairs, again, because I wasn't black, and one other where I was repeatedly slandered for being half white and not full asian.

 

   On all of these occasions I did nothing to provoke any of it, in fact they all occured while I was attending a racially inbalanced middle school- I was always the rule following kid who kept to himself.

 

   Concerning Obama, if you want to get really technical, he is not black, he's biracial(2 races, hello): why does no one point that out?

 

   And what do you mean African American men are the only feared people in America? Personally I wouldn't waste my time leting race or gender dictate who I would fear, I would let a persons behavior decide if I thought they were a threat to me or not( as in appearing to be stalking me, or holding a weapon in a semi-concealed fashion).

 

   Now about white women who get married to black men-What is wrong with that? For that matter whats wrong with people getting married to people of a different race?-nothing at all, and anyone who says different is only spewing ignorance.

 

 
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September 13, 2008, 6:09 pm PDT

Wow.

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ha!  LOVE your message.  especially the part about "beanie cap" and "go back to Africa". 
This is my first time on the msg boards too...and just because I too was frustrated with the way Mr. Mooney was acting.  There is no reason for him to act like that and he just made himself look like a total idiot.  I've never heard of him before so googled him and was appalled by what people call comedy.  He is definitely a racist...the pot calling the kettle black. 


Wow.  I am worried (not surprised) that more people who feel this way (about people going back to Africa) are also contributing to the problem.  Just as a side-note, I've worked with plenty of mothers on welfare who keep having babies--most of whom happen to be white.  No need for mudslinging (and further diversions from the issue).  Unless you feel that IS the real issue.  I find it curious that you say what you've said yet you call him "Mr. Mooney".  What you do not understand is that there IS a reason for Mr.  Mooney's behavior--he seems to be hurt and angry and not listened to.  His behavior actually reminded me of some of the teens I've worked with.  They are confused and the way they express it is to lash out or make jokes.  There's a reason for EVERY behavior.  Just because you cannot make sense of it doesn't mean it has no purpose.  Just because you don't feel the same doesn't mean it shouldn't exist.  I think when people--including Mr. Mooney--react before they listen, the way you have and the messager to whom you've replied has, they do not hear what people are truly trying to say.  People are frustrated and angry because no one can completely understand another person's feelings.  Some aren't even trying to understand because they feel everyone should "just get over it", stop making babies, and go back to Africa.  That's just a lash out in response to a lash out and also puts us further away from resolution or understanding. You know, I doubt anyone would be telling Mr. Mooney to "get over it" if he were angry about abuse that occurred in his childhood or his family--even if it happened "a long time ago".   If someone is angry, why can't we just accept that he is angry?  We hear people's stories all the time and some of us might give our friend a hug and say I'm sorry that happened to you how can I help--even if we weren't at fault.  Where is the compassion?  On both "sides"!  NO ONE's (not yours, not his) feelings or experience should ever be discounted just because someone does not understand.  As individuals, none of us can completely understand the experience of another, even if we are the same gender, same race, from similar experience.  This discussion goes far deeper than a word.  I think, as human beings toward one another and as listeners, we can all be better.  Then maybe HURT people won't be so angry and angry people  won't be so bitter.
 
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