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This two-syllable expression is arguably the most divisive word in society. Dr. Phil tackles this touchy topic with help from a panel of outspoken luminaries: civil rights activist Rev. Al Sharpton; legendary comedian and writer Paul Mooney; CSI actor and author Hill Harper; comedian Sheryl Underwood and conservative radio talk show host Michael Graham. First, is there a double standard that allows African-Americans to use this sensitive word, while non-blacks are forbidden? The debate heats up when Rachel, a white guest, says she calls her husband the N-word all the time. Then, should hip-hop artists be censored or fined for using the N-word in their songs? Becky says rappers promote negative stereotypes with their lyrics, but find out who Rev. Al Sharpton thinks should face the music. Plus, does tone or intent make a difference when using the N-word? See what Dr. Phil thinks and share your thoughts here.

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September 14, 2008, 6:15 pm PDT

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I don't think it's EVER okay to say the "n" word--no matter who you are, no matter what the circumstances, no matter what the intent. The problem is that it is an inflammatory term with a derogatory connotation, so it's just best not to use it. I would never use it, just like I never use the "f" word. As my mom would say, they are both just ugly words that have no place being uttered ever.
 
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September 14, 2008, 6:22 pm PDT

The N-Word Show

I don't know about you guys, but this show wasn't televised in the LA area on Friday like the website says.  I have Verizon FiOS.  The caption under info said it was going to be that show but it was actually the weight loss show.  My neighbor who has Charter tv said he had the same problem so I know it's not just my cable carrier.  Anybody else experience this problem?  I'm looking to watch this show but can't find it.  Thanks.
 
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September 14, 2008, 6:33 pm PDT

09/12 The N-Word Debate

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Well although that is not the question that was posed for this discussion, the answer is probably the Jews!  They were persecuted and enslaved in Egypt long before anyone knew what a Native American was!  Oh and  then there was the Holocaust!  Where there were more Jews killed than there were Native Americans alive during our early history!  Does that mean that an African American  person or family who has felt the pain of racism in past and/or present doesn't have the right to speak against it?  The discussion was about a word that is offensive specifically toward African Americans.  The same as a noose has a much stronger, horrific meaning and history behind it for an African American than it would for a Native American or a Jew.

I would have to agree that jewish people have had it pretty hard.

 

Also I don't know if you know it or not but the term "jew", from my understanding(from history classes,books, etc.), is the derogatory way of refering to someone who is jewish.

 
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September 14, 2008, 6:38 pm PDT

you left some things out

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Actually it was the English who captured and sold slaves.  I do agree that there are no surviving slaves today but I am sure I could find a good many people who were alive the day Martin Luther King Jr. was shot.  I bet I could also find you many that were present when they carried the bodies of six little black girls out of a church after it was bombed!  I am sure Rodney King might also disagree with you!

You forget to mention than many of the first africans who came to america were indentured servants, who warked off their debt and alter owned slaves themselves.

 

And that many africans in Africa would round up rival tribe members and sell them to the Europeans.

 
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September 14, 2008, 6:39 pm PDT

HOORAY FOR PATRICK BUCHANAN

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by Patrick J. Buchanan

Barack says we need to have a conversation about race in America.? Fair enough. But this time, it has to be a two-way conversation. White America needs to be heard from, not just lectured to.  This time, the Silent Majority needs to have its convictions, grievances and demands heard.
And among them are these:

 First,
America has been the best country on earth for black folks. It was here that 600,000 black people, brought from Africa in slave ships, grew into a  community of 40 million, were introduced to Christian salvation, and reached the  greatest levels of freedom and prosperity blacks have ever known. Wright ought
 to go down on his knees  and thank God he is an American.

 Second, no people anywhere has done more to lift up blacks than white Americans.  Untold trillions have been spent since the '60 s on welfare, food stamps, rent supplements, Section 8 housing, Pell grants, student loans, legal services, Medicaid, Earned Income Tax Credits and poverty programs designed to bring the African-American community into the mainstream.

 Governments, businesses and colleges have engaged in discrimination against white folks -- with affirmative action, contract set-asides and quotas -- to advance black applicants over white applicants.  Churches, foundations, civic groups,
schools and individuals all over
America  have donated their time and money to support soup kitchens, adult education, day  care, retirement and nursing homes for blacks.
 We hear the grievances.  Where is the gratitude??

 Barack talks about new 'ladders of opportunity' for blacks.
 Let him go to
Altoona and Johnstown, and ask the white kids in Catholic schools how many were visited lately by Ivy League recruiters handing out scholarships for 'deserving' white kids.?

 Is white
America really responsible for the fact that the crime and
 incarceration rates for African-Americans are seven times those of white
America ?

Is it really white
America's fault that illegitimacy in  the African-American community has hit 70 percent and the black dropout rate from high schools in some cities has reached 50 percent?

 Is that the fault of white
America or, first and foremost, a failure of the black community itself?

 As for racism, its ugliest manifestation is in interracial crime, and
especially interracial crimes of violence. Is Barack Obama aware that while white criminals choose black victims 3 percent of the time, black criminals choose white victims 45 percent of the time?

 Is Barack aware that black-on-white ra pes are 100 times more common than the reverse, that black-on-white robberies were 139 times as common in the first three years of this decade as the reverse?

 We have all heard ad nauseam from the Rev. Al about Tawana Brawley, the Duke rape case and
Jena.  And all turned out to be hoaxes.  But about the epidemic of black assaults on whites that are real, we hear nothing.

THIS MAN HAS IT RIGHT, I WISH EVERYONE WOULD READ THIS AND REALLY LISTEN TO WHAT HE HAS TO SAY

 

 

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September 14, 2008, 6:51 pm PDT

Justification was not my intent

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Your statements about the slave trade are filled with errors. Please visit the following link.

http://cghs.dadeschools.net/african-american/europe/slave_trade.htm

 

The idea of forced African enslavement to the Americas came about by western Europeans. They wanted cheap labor. Unlike the type of bondage occurring in Africa (and on other continents such as Europe and Asia) this was systemic and brutal. Slavery in Africa (a huge continent) was not widespread. Those who were slaves were not forced into it except in cases where they were prisoners of war or had commited a crime (an entirely different scenario). 

 

No Black person would disagree that there was not a group of African traitors who helped Europeans and Americans capture innocent Africans, against their will, so that they can be stripped of their clothing, branded with a hot iron, and then chained in a ship's hold to travel across the entire Atlantic Ocean in that fashion for cheap personal gain (guns or trinkets). Any traitorous role that a group of Africans had in the slave trade does not negate the evil crime against humanity that was done by western Europeans and Americans. It was their idea to capture innocent Africans against their will to bring them to a foreign land so that they could be forced to work the land for free and under horrific conditions. A contingent of Africans did not pay a visit to western Europe or America and say, 'We would like to give away a bunch of our African people to you so that you can dehumanize them; are you in?" 

 

In every history where there is a grave injustice, you can find a betrayer or a traitor. Take a look at the history of Moses. Native Amnericans had traitors in their midst. Does that justify the Trail of Tears or the horrible injustice that was done to Native Americans? No! So, why do people like you seem to think that the slave trade was justified just because of the actions of a small group of African traitors?

 

I said that slaves were taken captive as prisoners after waring with a neighboring tribe, in which the tribe who lost was captured and taken to be used for trade into slavery. They were sold for goods by fellow Africans. There was no error in my statement. I made no indication as to how widespread the practice was, only that it did occur. Does that make whites (Western Europeans) any less guilty of being the recipient of those trades no!
When I said that we share equally, both whites and blacks, I meant that we were both part of what happened in history. There was no justification. It was wrong. My point was that it needs to end. If the racism is allowed today for the past between black and whites, then when do we start doing the same with the Germans of today for what happened to the Jews in the past. Does this also give Native Americans a right to rise up against the whites as well. When does it end.
The fact is that it needs to end with all races. It is time we all recognize each other as human beings, nothing less.
 
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September 14, 2008, 6:52 pm PDT

All that comes to mind is wow

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by Patrick J. Buchanan

Barack says we need to have a conversation about race in America.? Fair enough. But this time, it has to be a two-way conversation. White America needs to be heard from, not just lectured to.  This time, the Silent Majority needs to have its convictions, grievances and demands heard.
And among them are these:

 First,
America has been the best country on earth for black folks. It was here that 600,000 black people, brought from Africa in slave ships, grew into a  community of 40 million, were introduced to Christian salvation, and reached the  greatest levels of freedom and prosperity blacks have ever known. Wright ought
 to go down on his knees  and thank God he is an American.

 Second, no people anywhere has done more to lift up blacks than white Americans.  Untold trillions have been spent since the '60 s on welfare, food stamps, rent supplements, Section 8 housing, Pell grants, student loans, legal services, Medicaid, Earned Income Tax Credits and poverty programs designed to bring the African-American community into the mainstream.

 Governments, businesses and colleges have engaged in discrimination against white folks -- with affirmative action, contract set-asides and quotas -- to advance black applicants over white applicants.  Churches, foundations, civic groups,
schools and individuals all over
America  have donated their time and money to support soup kitchens, adult education, day  care, retirement and nursing homes for blacks.
 We hear the grievances.  Where is the gratitude??

 Barack talks about new 'ladders of opportunity' for blacks.
 Let him go to
Altoona and Johnstown, and ask the white kids in Catholic schools how many were visited lately by Ivy League recruiters handing out scholarships for 'deserving' white kids.?

 Is white
America really responsible for the fact that the crime and
 incarceration rates for African-Americans are seven times those of white
America ?

Is it really white
America's fault that illegitimacy in  the African-American community has hit 70 percent and the black dropout rate from high schools in some cities has reached 50 percent?

 Is that the fault of white
America or, first and foremost, a failure of the black community itself?

 As for racism, its ugliest manifestation is in interracial crime, and
especially interracial crimes of violence. Is Barack Obama aware that while white criminals choose black victims 3 percent of the time, black criminals choose white victims 45 percent of the time?

 Is Barack aware that black-on-white ra pes are 100 times more common than the reverse, that black-on-white robberies were 139 times as common in the first three years of this decade as the reverse?

 We have all heard ad nauseam from the Rev. Al about Tawana Brawley, the Duke rape case and
Jena.  And all turned out to be hoaxes.  But about the epidemic of black assaults on whites that are real, we hear nothing.

It's about time someone lays out plain facts, although the bold print was messing with my eyes, I found this to be a very powerful statement.

 

Concerning the N word, if anyone is allowed to say it theres always going to be someone who whines about it, so really everyone should just stop saying it all together.

 
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September 14, 2008, 6:55 pm PDT

ABOUT NATIVE AMERICANS

Quote From: spheris

I can honestly say I've had just as much hate thrown at me and I'm not an angry person(very mellow actually), and as far as walking in someone elses shoes, what about Native Americans?

 

They were used as slaves for a time, and pushed off their land. Ever hear of the trail of tears? If you had you'd wonder just what race has endured the most hardship.

YOU ARE RIGHT  ABOUT THE INDIANS THEY WERE HERE FIRST WAY BEFORE BLACKS AND THEY WERE PUSHED OFF THERE LAND I ASK ANY ONE WHOSE IS BLACK TO RESEARCH THE INDIANS HOW THEY WERE TREATED AND TODAY THEY ARE NOT TREATED VERY WELL, AND DARE THEM TO BELLY ACHE
 
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September 14, 2008, 6:58 pm PDT

HOORAY FOR PATRICK BUCHANAN

Quote From: sweetp128

by Patrick J. Buchanan

Barack says we need to have a conversation about race in America.? Fair enough. But this time, it has to be a two-way conversation. White America needs to be heard from, not just lectured to.  This time, the Silent Majority needs to have its convictions, grievances and demands heard.
And among them are these:

 First,
America has been the best country on earth for black folks. It was here that 600,000 black people, brought from Africa in slave ships, grew into a  community of 40 million, were introduced to Christian salvation, and reached the  greatest levels of freedom and prosperity blacks have ever known. Wright ought
 to go down on his knees  and thank God he is an American.

 Second, no people anywhere has done more to lift up blacks than white Americans.  Untold trillions have been spent since the '60 s on welfare, food stamps, rent supplements, Section 8 housing, Pell grants, student loans, legal services, Medicaid, Earned Income Tax Credits and poverty programs designed to bring the African-American community into the mainstream.

 Governments, businesses and colleges have engaged in discrimination against white folks -- with affirmative action, contract set-asides and quotas -- to advance black applicants over white applicants.  Churches, foundations, civic groups,
schools and individuals all over
America  have donated their time and money to support soup kitchens, adult education, day  care, retirement and nursing homes for blacks.
 We hear the grievances.  Where is the gratitude??

 Barack talks about new 'ladders of opportunity' for blacks.
 Let him go to
Altoona and Johnstown, and ask the white kids in Catholic schools how many were visited lately by Ivy League recruiters handing out scholarships for 'deserving' white kids.?

 Is white
America really responsible for the fact that the crime and
 incarceration rates for African-Americans are seven times those of white
America ?

Is it really white
America's fault that illegitimacy in  the African-American community has hit 70 percent and the black dropout rate from high schools in some cities has reached 50 percent?

 Is that the fault of white
America or, first and foremost, a failure of the black community itself?

 As for racism, its ugliest manifestation is in interracial crime, and
especially interracial crimes of violence. Is Barack Obama aware that while white criminals choose black victims 3 percent of the time, black criminals choose white victims 45 percent of the time?

 Is Barack aware that black-on-white ra pes are 100 times more common than the reverse, that black-on-white robberies were 139 times as common in the first three years of this decade as the reverse?

 We have all heard ad nauseam from the Rev. Al about Tawana Brawley, the Duke rape case and
Jena.  And all turned out to be hoaxes.  But about the epidemic of black assaults on whites that are real, we hear nothing.

TAKE THIS MESSAGE FROM THIS MAN AND REALLY LISTEN TO WHAT HE HAS TO SAY HE IS SO VERY RIGHT
 
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September 14, 2008, 7:01 pm PDT

Doll test

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I will gladly talk about the doll test. Is it true that black wear weaves? Why is that? I would guess its because they are proud of their god given hair. I would guess that Tyra Banks would not be a supermodel without her weave. My point is simple. Do the test with black dolls having pretty hair then tell me the results. Children speak the truth.
Black women might wear weaves, but so do a TON of white women too. I do NOT wear a weave and have beautiful LONG hair. And I am proud of it. Hardly any women in my family wear weaves. Not that there is a problem with a weave in any way. What the hell kind of comment is that? Many of the "Top Models" have weaves in their photo shoots black and white and others. Come off your high horse!! I've seen the test with the dolls. FIrst of all it was held back in the 60's/70's or some time around the time when schools were barely integrated and black kids were made to feel inferior, told that in this life there are a lot of things that society says that black people couldn't have and such. It wasn't just about hair. They didn't want to be shunned and outcast due to skin pigmentation. So they chose the white doll. There was a teacher that also did that test on all the white kids in class and separated them between "brown eyes" and "blue eyes". Then she told the brown eyed kids that they got so many minutes less of recess time and they got so many minutes less of lunch time, and they were not as smart as the blue eyed children. Then she had them take tests to see who would perform better. Guess what?? The blue eyed children performed better. They were told they were the smarter ones and in turn took that to heart and outperformed their brown eyed counterparts. Then she did a reversal and said the brown eyed kids were the smarter ones and so on. So the point is, when the little girls grew up being told that their race is inferior because of their skin color, they naturally wanted to be white and thought the white dolls were prettier.

Yeah, children speak the "truth," but they also soak up info like sponges. If you tell a girl she is going to be nothing but a whore when she grows up, guess what? That is probably what she is going to be.
 
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