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This two-syllable expression is arguably the most divisive word in society. Dr. Phil tackles this touchy topic with help from a panel of outspoken luminaries: civil rights activist Rev. Al Sharpton; legendary comedian and writer Paul Mooney; CSI actor and author Hill Harper; comedian Sheryl Underwood and conservative radio talk show host Michael Graham. First, is there a double standard that allows African-Americans to use this sensitive word, while non-blacks are forbidden? The debate heats up when Rachel, a white guest, says she calls her husband the N-word all the time. Then, should hip-hop artists be censored or fined for using the N-word in their songs? Becky says rappers promote negative stereotypes with their lyrics, but find out who Rev. Al Sharpton thinks should face the music. Plus, does tone or intent make a difference when using the N-word? See what Dr. Phil thinks and share your thoughts here.

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September 18, 2008, 8:57 am PDT

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       There's also a response from another post that I would like to make a voice on, and I'll just voice it here.

 

       I'll start with that one since the rest deals with above.

 

       I don't think that everyone in this debate wants to use the N-Word. It's really an issue of respect, so I would like to just ask you. If I asked, you to not use the N-Word in front of myself, ex, and son would you be offended and what would you do?

      

      Onto, the quoted part.

 

       I'm basing this on observation, but it sounds about even between the races. The primary difference is that Racist whites have a greater impact against blacks. From a tactical standpoint, it will seem whites are more racist because of the impact, but it's not necassarily an accurate observation. This would be like in Chess one side having two rooks and a queen and the other has two knights and a two bishops. It'd be very hard to see which side is really stronger or not. Both sides could checkmate the other, would you agree?

      If you're asking, if there's a problem that there is a BET? I don't; I do wish that there was a channel for every American Culture. This would help educate Americans in/out of school about all the cultures in the States. Would a channel dedicated to each channel be offensive to you? Please correct me if I'm guessing wrong here, but would a WET offend you because you're worried that someone will try preaching hatred towards another race specifically blacks?

     Oh, I can fathom it, but there's so many possibilities that I don't think. I could write it all down. I'm bound to forget to write down somethings and most certainly miss scenarios. It's funner to picture what the US would be like if I set it up. Wouldn't you agree?

       aaron2020,

 

       I would like to have a discussion with you. I quoted my previous post because you seemed to have more pressing matters to handle on this forum.

 
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September 18, 2008, 9:08 am PDT

The N word

first of all i think that people should understand the meaning of a word before they just decide to blurt it out.

 

although i hear the word all the time. i think its disrespectful no matter how you mean to use it towards another. i dont use it myself. but i think about its meaning everytime someone uses it around me. its not something i think should be used so casually. whether your black, white, purple, green,.....whatever. the N word isnt a term for endearment. it never was. its actually quite a disparaging term. maybe in today's america people have decided to try and make it into a term of endearment. but its true meaning still stands. honestly if you go up to a random person and just say "whats up N *? " i dont think that it would be taken too lightly. history has made its mark on the meaning of this word as a lesson. people shouldnt just go around using it as a "hello" or an "i love you". its not right.

 

yes there is freedom of speech but you need know what you are saying and how it could be being percieved. there will always be bigotry, racisism, prejeduce, all that, but the fact is knowledge really pays off. people cant change history...they can only make more. so why not make it for the better instead of trying to bring back the worst? you hear people say history always repeats itself, but why make the same mistakes when lessons have been tought so that people have more of an advantage to transcend themselves for a brighter future? people teach their kids that everyone is equal, so why not come up with a different word that implies we all bleed red and were all uniform on the inside no matter what we look like on the outside? i think that some people should just stop and think. this isnt just another word. its not even another cuss word. the "N" word is part of our history meant to teach us to do better today for a greater tomorrow.

 
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September 18, 2008, 9:40 am PDT

And vice versa

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Honesty I hope blacks can reap the benefits. Think about it, they are asking for equal rights thats not asking allot, you know.  I thought the same way as you not too long ago, you seem like you have the potential to understand people if you want to as I do. I looked so stupid. How could I think that I could stand on stage as a white women and say I say the N word but I'm not racist, that is a double standard in itself. I had to stop and think, "why didn't they believe me when I was being honest". Then I realized had I got up there and said, "I think its wrong to say the word and disrespect people like that", had I said that then I would not have had to say "I'm not racist" it would have shown. If a white person has to say "I'm not racist but" then they should wonder what it is they are going to say that sounds racist that they feel the need to clarify that first. I know this really is off the topic of the president thing we were just talking about but I had to address you a little more because I believe that you are not a racist and should continue to ask questions as you are because you will learn so much. Let me tell you what benefits you will reap by learning more, you will feel so much better about yourself. I don't know anything really about how you feel about blacks as this is the only post I read of yours so far. I am making an assumption based on the way you choose your words. Maybe i am way off. If so I apologize. I just get the feeling you are not racist and I hope you do keep asking questions. and also ask yourself if you really do like Obama in your heart and if you kinda don't like the fact that the black race will "get their way". If the answer is yes to both them I'm guessing in your heart you like blacks but your programed to think negative about them. You really should try to go with your heart and reprogram your thinking as I have. You will feel good about it. I guess I would be upset if they were voting for Obama based on his skin color and Obama was saying he intends to raise gas prices and make the economy worse, then I would be angry. However Obama does seems like he could be a great president. I do hope everyone tries to focus on who is more qualified though.
I think it's also important to examine the fact that there will be a lot of white people who will refuse to vote for Barack because of the color of his skin. So I think for the blacks that will vote for him just because he's black there'll be a lot of whites who will vote for McCain just because he's not... I've even heard people say that they won't vote for Obama because he'll probably get assassinated so why waste the vote for someone who won't be in office long anyway. It amazes me the stupidity that comes out of people's mouths sometimes... especially in the South :/
 
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September 18, 2008, 9:45 am PDT

BET vs. WET

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       There's also a response from another post that I would like to make a voice on, and I'll just voice it here.

 

       I'll start with that one since the rest deals with above.

 

       I don't think that everyone in this debate wants to use the N-Word. It's really an issue of respect, so I would like to just ask you. If I asked, you to not use the N-Word in front of myself, ex, and son would you be offended and what would you do?

      

      Onto, the quoted part.

 

       I'm basing this on observation, but it sounds about even between the races. The primary difference is that Racist whites have a greater impact against blacks. From a tactical standpoint, it will seem whites are more racist because of the impact, but it's not necassarily an accurate observation. This would be like in Chess one side having two rooks and a queen and the other has two knights and a two bishops. It'd be very hard to see which side is really stronger or not. Both sides could checkmate the other, would you agree?

      If you're asking, if there's a problem that there is a BET? I don't; I do wish that there was a channel for every American Culture. This would help educate Americans in/out of school about all the cultures in the States. Would a channel dedicated to each channel be offensive to you? Please correct me if I'm guessing wrong here, but would a WET offend you because you're worried that someone will try preaching hatred towards another race specifically blacks?

     Oh, I can fathom it, but there's so many possibilities that I don't think. I could write it all down. I'm bound to forget to write down somethings and most certainly miss scenarios. It's funner to picture what the US would be like if I set it up. Wouldn't you agree?

I think what people fail to realize when they take on the BET vs. WET debate is that the reason that there is a BET is black programming isn't fairly represented on regular programming. Think about the music that is produced by white artists and the number of genres dominated by white musicians far outnumbers those that are dominated by blacks. So if you're spinning an hour of videos mixed with different genres of music I'd bet black artists would only account for maybe 5-15% of it. BET isn't a channel to segregate blacks from whites it's just a place to be able to find black programming easily.
 
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September 18, 2008, 10:54 am PDT

It's not rocket-science people!

 

 

All I have to say is that it needs to be decided whether or not the "n" word is offensive.  It's impossible for it to be so horribly offensive sometimes, and then funny and cute at other times.  If it is SO offensive, then NOONE should use it. If it's not, then anyone should be able to say it.  Make up your minds, and stick to it!  Geez!  Double standards and mixed messages are certainly going to confuse people!  Or is that the whole idea to begin with? Hmmm...

 
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September 18, 2008, 11:11 am PDT

im rachel from the show

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I think what people fail to realize when they take on the BET vs. WET debate is that the reason that there is a BET is black programming isn't fairly represented on regular programming. Think about the music that is produced by white artists and the number of genres dominated by white musicians far outnumbers those that are dominated by blacks. So if you're spinning an hour of videos mixed with different genres of music I'd bet black artists would only account for maybe 5-15% of it. BET isn't a channel to segregate blacks from whites it's just a place to be able to find black programming easily.
This is what I am confused about. And I am simply inquiring. I do notice that whites dominate the television. Viacom bought BET. BET was started by blacks. If blacks had the power to create BET and get a show on TV just for them then why don't they have the power to be an equal race on TV? So as I see it Viacom comes along and buys BET from the black folks who created it, why would they sell their all black show to a white owned company? Why would they let a white man be the dominate of the show they created. They had the power, they owned the show, why sell it to Via com?  I'm wondering how blacks had the power to create their own show like BET but not have the power to be on any channel they want as much as whites? What  am I missing here? Also I think blacks could really make the white race think hard, when they do get their own shows that they make a balance of blacks and whites on their shows and set an example of how we as whites should be. It seems when a black man get a show it is an all black one with a sprinkle of white (if any at all). Its almost like you do what you complain is done to you. Like Fresh Prince for instance, Will Smith was the star of the show. I'm sure he had the power to add equal races on his show. Or is it that blacks want to be equal on TV to whites but not with whites. Oh I think I get it. Blacks want equal races on TV. Like flip a channel and see a white show then flip and channel and see a black show and so on, is that correct? I was thinking more of like shows with blacks and white in it together. Maybe I want more then the blacks lol. To me equality and looking at people without seeing color means sharing the same show on the same channel. Just trying to understand. Sorry if I confused anyone, and these are questions not at all statements. Do not take offense I am not suggesting anything. I want to learn is all.
 

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September 18, 2008, 11:19 am PDT

Good point

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I think what people fail to realize when they take on the BET vs. WET debate is that the reason that there is a BET is black programming isn't fairly represented on regular programming. Think about the music that is produced by white artists and the number of genres dominated by white musicians far outnumbers those that are dominated by blacks. So if you're spinning an hour of videos mixed with different genres of music I'd bet black artists would only account for maybe 5-15% of it. BET isn't a channel to segregate blacks from whites it's just a place to be able to find black programming easily.

      That makes sense. I'm curious where the line is drawn. If there is an Irish Channel, would it be offensive for such a channel to exist?

 
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September 18, 2008, 11:19 am PDT

09/12 The N-Word Debate

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I understand an respect your position. I want to let you know that I am a black man and I respect what you are saying. However, if you feel so passionately about this then why don't you use the N word publicly? If you believe in free speech and that there should be no double standard, then go outside and yell the N word and see what happens. You wouldn't do that because you respect black people too much. It seems that you want to use this word simply because it is "forbidden" or taboo. Don't. It is not serious enough of an issue for you to have to try and solve it yourself. Just leave the word alone. You may not always understand us but you do respect us, and that is what is most important. If you really want to help, then do not use this word and let us deal with it.
I have used the N word publicly, and towards whites as well publicly, if I feel it is justified, I shall use it again publicly. What I have an issue with is the double standard. Unless and until the word is deemed inappropriate for all to use, including Blacks, if I feel it is justified, I will use the word. You are correct, I do respect Blacks, as I do all races, discrimination is an ugly thing, I will not go out of my way to offend anyone. Taboo has nothing to do with it, if and when I use the word, it is because I feel I am justified in it's use, regardless of what race the word is directed at. I know how the word is perceived, however, please understand I am still conscious of the original definition of the word, and when I use it, it is generally meant as that, directed at the lowlifes and deadbeats, when I use it, it is not meant as a derogatory statement against just Blacks, I use it to refer to those who actually fit the original definition. I do have many more words in my vocabulary to cut someone down if I feel it's needed, often without them realizing what I am doing while I'm doing it, but again, if I resort to such low standards, it is usually to those the word describes, and they often do not understand what I am saying to begin with. For the most part, I do not use the word, privately or publicly, that is my personal choice, yet, if and only if I feel it's justified, i shall use it privately and publicly. Remove the double standard, and I would not object or feel so passionately about this in the first place. That is the real point I have been trying to make. If the word is so offensive to Blacks, then why in the world would you use it among yourselves? That alone makes no sense to me, but as long as the word is in use by one, it should be allowed to be used by all, no exceptions. Considering the history of this word, it would seem more logical that everyone would wish to distance themselves from it, instead of trying to make it a term of endearment or anything else. Regardless of which definition one goes by with this word, it was never meant as anything kind. I will say it once more, the word is either offensive to all, or it isn't, acceptable for all to use, or unacceptable for anyone to use......eliminate the double standard and there is no problem.
 
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September 18, 2008, 11:30 am PDT

Brief Snap of History

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 Where are these africans that profitted from the slave trade? Are they on the nasdaq dow jones or in the fortune 500? If you find them please let me know cause they owe me back wages for my great-great-great-great-great grandfather's work.

 

http://www.africaeconomicanalysis.org/articles/gen/slavehtm.html

 

Again, slavery is a human problem and not specific to 'whites'.

 

This isn't a defense, y'know.  It's just fact.  It's happened for centuries and isn't unique to blacks and whites - not by a long shot.  It's wrong.  The point is that 'pointing fingers' is not motivating education, understanding, or empahy.  To point fingers and label is to be as guilty of that which you despise.  Racism.

 
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September 18, 2008, 11:33 am PDT

Thank You.

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    It very much upset me when the gentle man on your show said he was brouhgt here as a slave.Then he became very angry screaming that his people were brought here in chains.We all know that is true.My people were American Indians. Does he realize the horror that they went thru?They had everything taken from them.To this day they are still treated poorly.We would all do well to remember "our people"were not the only ones who suffered greatly at the hands of others.It is time we let go of the past and remember we are all of the HUMAN RACE before we are anything else.

Thank you for this post.

It is empathetic to all people, respects all people and is quite refreshing.

 
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