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Topic : 09/12 The N-Word Debate

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This two-syllable expression is arguably the most divisive word in society. Dr. Phil tackles this touchy topic with help from a panel of outspoken luminaries: civil rights activist Rev. Al Sharpton; legendary comedian and writer Paul Mooney; CSI actor and author Hill Harper; comedian Sheryl Underwood and conservative radio talk show host Michael Graham. First, is there a double standard that allows African-Americans to use this sensitive word, while non-blacks are forbidden? The debate heats up when Rachel, a white guest, says she calls her husband the N-word all the time. Then, should hip-hop artists be censored or fined for using the N-word in their songs? Becky says rappers promote negative stereotypes with their lyrics, but find out who Rev. Al Sharpton thinks should face the music. Plus, does tone or intent make a difference when using the N-word? See what Dr. Phil thinks and share your thoughts here.

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September 12, 2008, 8:49 am PDT

Thank you

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 All races have their vices. After watching Dr. Phil, I turned to the History Channel that was reporting a story about the KKK. All races have interwarring. Let's be careful about what we say. Just like the Gov't "gives" housing, education & welfare to Blacks, the same benefits are extended to Whites, Asians, and other races. There are PEOPLE who squander, mistreat what they are given, and then ask for another handout...not just Black people. If you think Al Sharpton has breeded the use of the N word, then you are clearly unaware of his joint effort with NAACP in putting the N word to death. Gang violence, crime, and teen pregnancy extends through ALL races; however, we realize that the media picks and chooses WHO they report on. Many times it's in the neighborhoods of people of color when it occurs in even in what we consider to be the "best" neighborhoods.
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September 12, 2008, 8:52 am PDT

First of all the black comedian has a name and its Paul Mooney. He is entitled to feel anyway he wants and the same goes for everyone else. He has many many many years over you and you don't know what he has been through growing up around that time.When

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If you want to go around slinging Nazi slang and propaganda should Jewish people just get over it? Do we tell them that it's in the past and they need to stop "harping" on it? NO! You are the true epitome of the word racist by your expectation that black people need to get over it!

 
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September 12, 2008, 8:56 am PDT

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It really shows how much people really know about history when they use slavery as a reason to have a double standard. The people who first colonized this country were discriminated against because of their religion. The first people to colonize America used indentured servants, a.k.a white slaves, to farm their crops. When the first Italians and Irish entered the country they were treated awfully and called all kinds of different names. The Jews historically have been treated the most unjustly. From the times of Jesus to World War II and even today, the Jews are looked at as different. All of these people were discriminated against for being different. The difference between these races and African Americans is that they rose above their bad history. Maybe black people should read up on their history before they start feeling sorry for themselves.

 

Just so you know, other Africans sold the slaves to the white people for guns and other goods.

yeah....i read and indenture servants we given freedom in 7 years , they often were friends with the families they worked for, they were never beaten, raped, lynched for there skin tone, and for the record we don't feel sorry for ourselves its just that it people like yourself that try to downplay the injustice
 
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September 12, 2008, 8:58 am PDT

09/12 The N-Word Debate

Words are tricky.  Many words offend some people and not others.  If you try to outlaw usage of various words, others will replace it - even if they have to make them up.  You will spend all your time chasing down feathers fluttering away in the breeze.  The real problem lies with respect.  If I am aware that a word is offensive to someone, I should not use that word around them.  The word "stupid" is forbidden in my sisters' home.  Out of respect for her, my family and I do not use that word around her and her children. 

 

I also feel that if someone is really trying to improve public opinion and quell stereotypes of their race,  they should set an opposing image to the public eye.  In other words,  I would not become outraged, offensive, intimidating  and throw insults around, as happened on todays' show.  Rather, I would try to present a calm, educated and reconcilliatory image.  Personally,  I find it offensive when someone uses the Lords' name in vain around me, however, I will either try to ignore it or will politely ask that they please not do so around me.  I do not lash out at them and try to insult them back. 

 

Anyway, basically I think that if any word is offensive to someone, we should refrain from using it around them.  It's just good manners.

 
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September 12, 2008, 9:01 am PDT

It's just good manners

Words are tricky.  Many words offend some people and not others.  If you try to outlaw usage of various words, others will replace it - even if they have to make them up.  You will spend all your time chasing down feathers fluttering away in the breeze.  The real problem lies with respect.  If I am aware that a word is offensive to someone, I should not use that word around them.  The word "stupid" is forbidden in my sisters' home.  Out of respect for her, my family and I do not use that word around her and her children. 

 

I also feel that if someone is really trying to improve public opinion and quell stereotypes of their race,  they should set an opposing image to the public eye.  In other words,  I would not become outraged, offensive, intimidating  and throw insults around, as happened on todays' show.  Rather, I would try to present a calm, educated and reconcilliatory image.  Personally,  I find it offensive when someone uses the Lords' name in vain around me, however, I will either try to ignore it or will politely ask that they please not do so around me.  I do not lash out at them and try to insult them back. 

 

Anyway, basically I think that if any word is offensive to someone, we should refrain from using it around them.  It's just good manners.

 
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September 12, 2008, 9:02 am PDT

i see what you are saying

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     I see your point.  But understand where all of this comes from.  Each of the negative words that where mentioned came from hatred from the other.  Not saying that it is right but we(people) need to overlook those people.  Let me give you an example  of a form of racism that I deal with at work.  There is a guy that I am over at work who thinks I shouldn't have my positiion because I am black. "They need to know their place" Is how he feels about black people.  I deal with his attitude daily. But because of him I don't hate white people but it is sad that people like that still exist.  But the crazy part about the whole situation that if i was to write him up he would think that i did that because i don't like white people which would be untrue.
I understand where you are coming from however I dont think that it is right that just because of the color of your skin you should get special privieges. For example when I was in high school on our cheerleading squad we had to have at least one black person on the team, she may not have been the best but we had to have one so therefore she got the spot just because she was black. Is that right? Just like on a job it should be the best man or woman for the job not he/ she gets it because we have to have a black person on our payroll and vice versa. I dont have a problem with the black people who try to better themselves and make a positive difference in US, and not just someone who is trying to take all the free help they can get. I dont associate myself with white people who are the same way so would that make me racist against my own race? It is just that statistics show that more black people are that way.
 
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September 12, 2008, 9:02 am PDT

I totally agree with you its about time someone from oustide of the black race understands *kisses*

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Where do I start...I am going to school to be a social worker, so I tend to fall on the "liberal" side of topics like this. Needless to say, this is not an exception. I 100% agree with the fact that this word should not be used. One woman on the show said, "If I can use it without it being racist..." This is IMPOSSIBLE considering the fact that this is a racially charged and created word. And telling a man whose ancestors were forced to come from Africa to here, to get over it...is a moronic statement and a racist statement. And the Mexican woman on the show who said that, I am sure would not appreciate being called a S**c. Whether she came here by choice or not. And for an educated man to say that institutional racism does not exist, makes him look horrible. I am from Flint, Michigan. I grew up in a racially and ethnically diverse area. You understand that everyone works just as hard and still get screwed over by the system. A perfect example of institutional racism is when Proposal 2 in Michigan was passed making it illegal for any form of affirmative action to be used and also outlawed the use of scholarships targeted at minorities. This should never have been passed. Institutional racism is the fact that inner city schools are underfunded and populated mainly by minorities and they don't get the proper education that they deserve. And for the white woman in the audience who called a black man racist, does not know the definition of "racist". African and Black Americans do not have the power to be racist and oppress white people or any other ethnicity. I am very disappointed in the white culture...and for those of you who think I am a black person spouting off my beliefs...Im WHITE.
 
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September 12, 2008, 9:07 am PDT

Seriously?

Does anyone live in 2008? I mean SERIOUSLY, does anyone live in 2008. We, and I say we as African-Americans, should be well pass the N-Word. Yes, it has a history of being derogatory. But if you were to approach well over 70 percent of the African American race, and ask them if they still use the word or get mad if someone else uses the word towards them, they will tell you NO. My points is any and everybody can be a N****r. In 2008, it's not derogatory, it' doesn't mean you're black, it means ignorance. And anyone who still uses the word with derogatory meaning is simply ignorant.
 
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September 12, 2008, 9:07 am PDT

If you want it, you can get it!!!!

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I just don't get it. I agree with Paul on Dr. Phil. We as black people can not get the same jobs, live in a nice neighborhood, or even go to the top schools and colleges without getting the hassle. I want the same rights as others. I thought this was America, the land of the free. I am 27 years old and do not believe that I am free. I feel as if I am still in slavery. In bondage is what I would like to call it. I loved the show and the guests, but some of the white guests just don't get it. Paul's anger towards the word may have come from growing up a very hard life. If Richard Prior was still living he would give us the prime example of using the "N" word. Besides the show was great, and I will try my best to stop using the word.
 You are in "The Land of the Free". I know several Black Americans who are very successful in life. They have nice homes and have sent their children to college. Like I have always taught my children that there is nothing standing in your way to become a success in life other than yourself. As long as you put everything you have within yourself and believe and love yourself you can be anything you want and you will be strong enough to succeed no matter what anyone else thinks. You can not wait for things to happen for you, you have to make things happen.  I get tired of hearing about people do and say certain things because they had a bad childhood. HELLO, who's really was great? Overcome!!!!! This is a powerful word that if was used and practiced more the world would be a better place. Want better than you had as a child. Want more for your family than you had as a child. Make sure your children don't grow up the way you did. Take only the positive and want better because of the negative. Don't play victim !!! Overcome and make yourself a better person .Show the people who wronged you that you still made it despite them, instead of pitying yourself and wanting things done for you and excuses for wrong choices you have made.
 
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September 12, 2008, 9:08 am PDT

Im so glad this topic was discussed

I am so glad that this topic was discussed. I use the N-word myself, and after watching the show today I will no longer use it. I didn't use it to put blacks down or  to say their  'less', but for the simple fact that I hear it from my family, songs, every where so I felt like it was ok to say, but not ok for whites to say. Where I'm from, racism is still strong and where I work majority of the whites don't like blacks. I work for a country club called Canongate Golf Club, which is in a subdivision called River Forest. Majority of the members and home owners are white. My first week was hell, they treated me different from the other waitresses. I was and still the only black waitress who works for canongate. The other two blacks are cooks. I honestly, feel that I was hired because of my looks, my complexion. I honestly think If I  was two shades darker I wouldn't have gotten the job. They hired this one lady who was black and I think she got the job because she was related to one of the cooks, but they (whites) treated her so bad, they ended up letting her go. But, I've heard the N-word at work from a waitress who was training me. 'she said, my husband has a n***** butt'. I was highly upset I actually left and went home because I felt like it was not a place for me. I told my manager how I felt when she said it and she was suppose to apologize to me, she did'nt. The managers did, but she didn't. As a matter of fact, they didn't even write her up. I was written up for being late and im not complaining about that, I just don't think it was fair. Don't get me wrong I have met people at my job whom I love dearly, (their white) I know their not racist, their the reason I go to work. They have encouraged me, and wants the best for me. I know it, I feel it. I'm a loving person, I love to meet new people of all races. People are my passion and I guess I expect for people to think and feel as I do. I grew up hearing about how whites do blacks and how they look out for one another, and i was taught this from a child until now, and I still feel different. I still love everyone, I still treat everyone equally.  But, what about when I don't get that same treatment on my job. Knowing that I'm waiting on them and deep down they don't like me. I worry about when I walk out of that bar how many of them will call me a n*****. It's to the point where I absolute hate going to work. I hate it with a passion. I have headahes all the time, but I'm not sure what to do. With how things are now in America a job is sometimes hard to find considering my school schedule this job works for me in every way, but I'm so miserable. I try not to let people get the best of me, but for some reason I can't stop thinking that I'm begging them for tips. Everything about my job is racist.  What can I do to feel better? I know I can't change how people think and feel. should I find another job?
 
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