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Topic : 09/12 The N-Word Debate

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Created on : Thursday, September 04, 2008, 12:16:52 pm
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This two-syllable expression is arguably the most divisive word in society. Dr. Phil tackles this touchy topic with help from a panel of outspoken luminaries: civil rights activist Rev. Al Sharpton; legendary comedian and writer Paul Mooney; CSI actor and author Hill Harper; comedian Sheryl Underwood and conservative radio talk show host Michael Graham. First, is there a double standard that allows African-Americans to use this sensitive word, while non-blacks are forbidden? The debate heats up when Rachel, a white guest, says she calls her husband the N-word all the time. Then, should hip-hop artists be censored or fined for using the N-word in their songs? Becky says rappers promote negative stereotypes with their lyrics, but find out who Rev. Al Sharpton thinks should face the music. Plus, does tone or intent make a difference when using the N-word? See what Dr. Phil thinks and share your thoughts here.

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September 12, 2008, 2:23 pm PDT

Trying to take the Higher Ground

I grew up in the segregated South, when blacks and white had different entrances into department stores, movie balconies, different bathrooms and water fountains.  Through CHOOSING to love and be friends to peoples of different colors, I have made a difference.  I have had sleepover parties with peoples of different ethniticity, black, hispanic , indian and asian.  I have had best friends of different races.  I am white.

My father has been accused of being 'racist' because he has a picture of blacks picking cotton in a cotton field.  People don't know that it is a childhood memory for my father, as he was the white child walking behind the black field worker, PICKING COTTON WITH HIM TO EARN SOME MONEY!!!  People love to 'assume.'

My family came from Sweden and England.  We were poor and through education and sheer hard work, have made our livings.  We did not have nor own slaves in our family history.

My point is this: we all have had struggles throughout life and some have had harder struggles.  My faith in God and His continued help in changing my heart, I hope, have made me a better person.  Could it be possible that if we ALL would stop calling each other names and become AMERICANS, that we could learn to love and appreciate each other?

 
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September 12, 2008, 2:23 pm PDT

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The history of the word is varied, but if you look at most dictionaries it says "a person with black or dark skin."  I don't think people should be offended by this word because it came from hispanics, it's just a variation of the word negro meaning black.  If the south made it a derogatory term, take it back and own it, say "yes, thank you, I have black skin, do you have a problem with that?"  Then educate them on what the word really means. The word never meant "stupid person" like some dictionaries have printed.  Negro means black.  The key is, don't get offended, be proud of who you are.  I don't agree that the word should be banned.  Words only hurt if you let them.  America was founded on freedom of speech, you can't take that away.  I'm not saying I like derogatory words, but people get angry and say stupid things.  The N word is not the only bad word out there, if we ban that word we'd have to ban all the other bad words.  Banning that word doesn't mean people won't make up some other word to call you.

 
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September 12, 2008, 2:23 pm PDT

African American ?

Do tell , what is an African American ?

There needs to be alot more discussions.....lots.

How many white people really do socialize with blacks, besides

work or school ?

At my former employment, I worked along side a lovely black woman.

We were the same age, 50'ish. We were having a conversation, and

for some reason 'kool-aid' got brought up. She looked at me and said,

"I didn't know white people drank Kool-aid".....I laugh to this day when I

think about that. I only stay in touch with her threw letters now, as I moved

from that town.

 

 

 
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September 12, 2008, 2:23 pm PDT

Let's gain a little perspective here...

I want everyone, young and old, black and white, and all people in between to study history like they study the tabloids.  I'm sorry if this angers some of you, but black people were not the only people in American history or any other history to be treated badly, to be enslaved, to be taken away from their homes, to be shunned or denied things or been victims of violence because of their skin color or national origin.  Shall we talk about the plight of Jewish people throughout history?  How about what has been going on in the Middle East for HUNDREDS of years?  Ever hear about how Irish immigrants were treated when they came to America?  I am Irish, my ancestors came over on boats and were immediately taken to rich people's homes and put into slavery.  They were not allowed to drink out of water fountains, use restrooms or enter certain establishments because they were Irish.  I grew up in Hawaii where being fair skinned and having blonde hair was NOT fun!  I was beat up, and I mean, I had the crap kicked out of me.... for the first time when I was 11 years old because a Hawaiian girl thought that I was looking at her funny.  They have a word for caucasions out there.... it's "Haole".  It's the "N" word equivilent out there.  But, I let it make me stronger, not bitter.  I don't feel like anyone is "owed" anything based on what happened to our ancestors!  That notion is completely rediculous!  And, let's talk about things like "black entertainment television", "black starz", "black history month".  These things are not considered racist..... if there were a "white entertainment television", "white starz", or a "white history month"... there would be an uproar.  It would be linked to the KKK, there would be tens of thousands of black people protesting outside television networks, outside state and federal offices.  You know what?  Slavery sucked!  It was wrong, there was no excuse for it..... but if it didn't happend DIRECTLY to you..... NOBODY OWES YOU ANYTHING!!!!!!!  If ya'll want to call eachother by the "n" word and sound ignorant... by all means.... go right ahead.  Why don't you look up the definition of the word first though so that you have a full understanding of what you are calling your friends. 

 
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September 12, 2008, 2:23 pm PDT

09/12 The N-Word Debate

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I agree that it depends on how the word is used...in its context.

in the Bible, Jesus refers to his own mother as "woman".....and it was used as a term of respect.  As most cases, it is.  I have, in my life been told "shut up, woman"......and the word "woman" was used in a very derogatory manner.  does this mean that we should stop using the word "woman" because it might offend someone?  no. I personally do not use the n word, but I have black friends that do, and if I was to say, "hey N*****, what's up?"....they would not be offended.

 

and as far as the black "heritage".....we were slaves....well, that is the past.  unless you yourself was treated as a slave, then you should not use that excuse.  what about other Americans whose family come from slavery in other countries....but not black......should we use that as an excuse?

 

woman as you just said had no use of pain to start with...a woman is what you are. the n word was used to keep blacks in their place and to be hurtful the n word was slang created by man for the use of hurt and pain....woman was not...so try again
 
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September 12, 2008, 2:23 pm PDT

Question...

It seems like everytime this discussion comes up there is someone talking about how white people don't understand.  I would love to know exactly what it is that we white people don't understand.  I grew up in a very, very poor family with a single-mom.  We lived in a predominantly black neighborhood and were constantly looked down upon, talked about, and made to feel that we were utterly inferior.  This is also the way that the majority of our family treated us b/c my mom didn't have a lot of money, but she did the best she could.  I now live in a community where my part of town is also considered to be primarily black.  My husband went to a historically black high school and now when I tell people where he went to school they look down on me.  I have had many black women look at me and treat me as if I was scum because they assume that my husband is black (they have actually told me this).  I know what it is like to be ridiculed and looked down upon and I know what it is like to live daily being discriminated against.

 

Based on that information, does it give me the right to use the N word?  I don't think so.  I also don't believe that based on what happened to a group of people so long ago gives them the right to use that word.  Black people today have not experienced slavery, their ancestors did.  I have experienced racism, but don't consider myself to be any different from anyone else because of it.  I always grew up with no recollection of race being anything important or feeling a certain way about anyone that may have looked different than me.  It is only now, as I have moved into this type of society where race is very recognized that I start to even realize that the things that happened to me growing up were because I was white.

 

Is there something else I don't understand?  Some reason that the N word is okay for some to use but not others (given that the reasoning is the same -- like the white lady that said she would use it in reference to her husband)?

 

I would really love to get some responses on this to help me understand more.  I also have to agree with the people that have talked about us all being american's.  Regardless of color we are all American's.  If you want to embrace your heritage, there is no problem doing that but you don't have to do it by deliniating yourself from other people (i. e. saying you are african-american instead of just american).  My ancestors are Irish and I am proud of that fact, but I don't call myself irish-american b/c that is history in my family...I was born and raised here in America.

 
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September 12, 2008, 2:24 pm PDT

the dolls

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I'm never amazed at the level of resentment White people have at Black people having our own (fill in the blank). If Black people hadn't been marginalized from the mainstream, we wouldn't need to establish our own things. Even in music, MTV wouldn't play videos by Black artists until Michael Jackson's "Thriller" album came out and it was much later when they included rap and r&b acts. Black women weren't allowed in the Miss USA or Miss America pageants for years. This message and others like it display modern Americans ignorance of history. 

 

 Paul Mooney, and the vast majority of Black people, aren't upset over "PAST history" but modern racism. I've noticed no one of this message board has commented on either of the doll tests Mooney talked about or the resume test done in Boston that Hill Harper talked about.  I would gladly talk less about a word, or what people choose to call themselves and spend more time talking about institutional racism and the effect it has on Black children.

I'll comment on the dolls. His remark about the white baby being a serial killer. Do we call that racist? Give me a break. Yes a lot of white men are known serial killers, but a lot of africans are Known "gang members" and "drug dealers" what's the difference. It's all harmful to our society. Ever watch him on the chappelle show? he clearly made a lot of money to make racist remarks about white people. I don't understand why you are protecting this man like he is a victim and we all owe Paul Moody worship.
 
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September 12, 2008, 2:24 pm PDT

PLEEEEEASE

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This show is really something.  I can see where the lady is coming from who was just talking about her friends and her husband and the way she uses it.  Now where I have a problem is when someone white or of another race tells me that they we need to get over it.  It exist when Im on the elevator with a white woman and she clutches her purse.  It exist when Im in the department store being followed by security.  It exist when you go out to some of these clubs here in Texas and you deal with the bartenders.  It still exist maybe not in out in the open but it exist.  I am very frustrated with the whole show.  I can't even get out what i want to say.....
see to me its just excuses and wishes because first you say when your on and elevator and a women clutches her purse and a security guard then you say it may not happen in the open ... which is it ????does it happen at a store or not in the open? It happens to white people also... it all depends on how we put ourselves out there if we look like criminals we will be treated as criminals its just that simple..
 
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September 12, 2008, 2:24 pm PDT

re: The "N" word debate

As a caucasian man, 50, living in Canada, I find that word absolutely offensive. We all "BLEED" the same colour. I would NEVER EVER USE THAT WORD.It's demeaning to African-Americans/Canadians. I don't even like my "Black" brothers (very good friends) using it, however  they have the right to use it.                        I DON'T!!!!!!!!!
 
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September 12, 2008, 2:24 pm PDT

09/12 The N-Word Debate

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It seems to me that when there is conflict with an African American and a white person that the white person gets attacked that they are racist. Could it be the other way around? Just wondering if anyone else feels this way?
I completely agree with this statement.  I live in Mississippi in a mostly black area.  What I don't like about them is there attitude.  They think everything should be given to them just because they are black.  Around here hardly any of them work, but yet they make more money than me!!  I am outraged by this fact.  The more children they have, the more money the government gives them - that's why they have so many kids.  It seems to me if they can't afford to take care of their kids, they shouldn't be having them and the government would wise up to their SCHEME.  They get a social security check, each child they have gets a disability check and then they get food stamps too.  No one person with several children are all going to be disabled.  I'm sorry, but it just isn't going to happen, but yet they get checks.    Then when it's income tax time, they get these outrageous $7,000+ refunds - - - FOR WHAT???  THEY HAVE NO JOBS!!!!  A normal white person like me - married with 2 kids works my tale off and I hardly get a refund at all.  What is wrong with this picture????  They benefit way more than white people ever did!!
 
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