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This two-syllable expression is arguably the most divisive word in society. Dr. Phil tackles this touchy topic with help from a panel of outspoken luminaries: civil rights activist Rev. Al Sharpton; legendary comedian and writer Paul Mooney; CSI actor and author Hill Harper; comedian Sheryl Underwood and conservative radio talk show host Michael Graham. First, is there a double standard that allows African-Americans to use this sensitive word, while non-blacks are forbidden? The debate heats up when Rachel, a white guest, says she calls her husband the N-word all the time. Then, should hip-hop artists be censored or fined for using the N-word in their songs? Becky says rappers promote negative stereotypes with their lyrics, but find out who Rev. Al Sharpton thinks should face the music. Plus, does tone or intent make a difference when using the N-word? See what Dr. Phil thinks and share your thoughts here.

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September 12, 2008, 6:30 pm PDT

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Quote From: southerngal36

 I just wanted to say that I am southern born and raised. I love my southern heritage and part of that is the Rebel Flag ,but I am afraid that the Afro-American community sees this as a symbol of racism.
ummmm duh! it is racism sweetie.  put yourself in the shoes of african americans for just one second and get real with yourself!  the rebel flag is a flag of a war to try to keep slavery! why are you proud of that? and why would you think blacks wouldnt' think of it as anything but racism.  you can love southern heritage without the rebel flag
 
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September 12, 2008, 6:31 pm PDT

09/12 The N-Word Debate

Quote From: marybobary

I do NOT use the n word and I am uncomfortable when other people (white OR black) use it around me.  I am a white woman who despises racial slurs of any kind.  I am not comfortable with words that demean anyone...black, white, jewish, mexican.

 

However, I am also uncomfortable with the fact that there are television stations (BET/Black Entertainment Television) that are primarily created for one race.  If there were a station called White Entertainment Television, can you imagine the uproar it would cause?  Does it make me a racist that I see this as hypocratic?

 

 

 

 

 

You mean "hypocritical."

Now, let's talk about BET. Black Entertainment Television was a financial venture. Nothing more. It was a ploy to get paid off of the deficit of Black actors and performances on mainstream television. You know WHY BET isn't considered racist? Because NBC, ABC, and CBS - at the time of it's origin - WERE White Entertainment Television. The primary channels were so unbelievably uninterested in catering to Black audiences because they felt they had no value. Yeah, well, that's too bad. Why does it take Tyler Perry to bankroll his OWN movies to get them distributed? Do you know how many movie studios are biting their fists sad because they passed him up? WHY did they pass him up in the first place? Because "no one is interested in movies about Black folks." That's the SAME Attitude that those channels once had. Have things changed in the last ten or so years? Yes, but not in the way they should've. For those further interested... Hill Harper said it best - BET is owned by VIACOM - the same channel that owns MTV, Country Music TV, AND VH1. ALL channels that make billions off of perpetuating stereotypes. I know not all white people drive tractors just like I know not all Black people like gold teeth. We are all victims on that one.
 
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September 12, 2008, 6:33 pm PDT

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Quote From: ohines

It seems to me that there isreverse racism going on. Blacks can use N***** in their songs and raps but Whites aren't supposed to say it. Where's the logic in that? If they can use it about themselves then they shouldn't get all in our faces when we or anyone else uses it too.

Besides....aren't there more important things to work on in this world of ours besides the use of a word?

I agree with you when you say there are more important issues to worry about in this world.  Like that fact that we have a bunch of white people complaining about it being a problem to use the word.  Does it really mean that much to you to be able to call someone a n***** that you are going to whine like a little kid about the fact that blacks don't want you to use it.  First of all you I agree that no one should ever call another person a n***** or a bitch or a hunky or anything else that isn't nice.  It goes back to preschool when you were taught 'if you have nothing nice to say then don't say anything at all'  The fact is its a negative word and it will be negative when anyone uses it, but for a white person to say it about someone they usually don't have the same intentions when blacks use the word casually among there selves.
 
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September 12, 2008, 6:34 pm PDT

Example of the Double Standard

 

When I was first watching the show, I admired comedians Paul Mooney and Sheryl Underwood for saying that they'd like to give up using the N word.  However, I think they showed a real double standard after viewing the clips of Richard Pryor.  The clips showed Pryor talking in a way that black often people use to imitate white people.  You know what I mean....nasal, nerdy, frightened, geeky.  It's OK when Wendy Williams, Michael Baisden make fun of white people on their radio shows, right?  Black people making fun of white is OK, right?  During the Richard Pryor clip, there were white people nervously approaching the black people siting in their seats and when approached, the black people replied to the (scared) white people something to the effect that it was just too bad, they'd lost their seat.  This message was portrayed by Richard Pryor in a proud way as if to say, get lost, don't even THINK about asking a black man for your seat back.  End of the video clip---cut back to the studio and there were Paul and Sheryl yukking it up, LOVING the whole Richard Pryor routine, nodding their heads, shaking hands, as though high-5-ing their agreement.  Feeling somewhat proud that the white people were too intimidated to ask the black people for their seats.  And YET....when an audience member admitted that in her neighborhood she was somewhat fearful, and covered her purse when passing by black people.....well then, everyone else is offended.

It was disgusting to watch Paul talk about the white doll babies being serial killers.  Hey, I love crime shows.  I've read reports in the paper.  We've all heard that serial killers are predominantly white males.  That's just a fact.  As a white person, I've never tried to dispute it, it NEVER even occurred to me to dispute it, OR to feel offended by it. I never felt insulted by the statistics. They're true.  Numbers don't lie.  It is what it is.  I think though, if the statistics were the other way around, and we heard that serial killers were predominantly black, then Paul would find a way to turn this into a racial statistic.  Or, find a way to excuse it because their ancestors put up with horrors100 years ago (before mine even arrived here.....do I need to apologize for something that I agree is horrible but which I didn't do?).  The woman in the audience told him to get over it.  That might be a tough way to say it, but it's somewhat true.  HE didn't live though it and I didn't do it to him.  I grew up poor, my family struggled.  I could have felt like a victim of the institutional governmental politics that shut down poor people like me and my family, and so many others of different colors.  I could have given up and perpetuated the cycle.  Instead, I worked after school and weekends, took out loans, got excellent grades, became a great student to end the cycle.  I appreciate the government policies that want to protect people like me from the wealthy minority that want to stay in power and pit us against ourselves.  It's working too...right?  A previous person on the msg board wrote that Paul just hurt Obam's chances.  I don't know if I agree or not, but  he certainly didn't help.  I feel that no matter how much I (and a good portion of America) support Obama, and live my life in a non-racist way (as much as possible), I'm still going to be lumped together with the image of some old, white-haired slave owner that lived 150 years ago.  That's not me, and it's not the majority of white people I know either.  And I'm tired of feeling bad about it.  I didn't do it.  I wasn't here.  I didn't inherit wealth from it.  My ancestors were told "Irish need not apply" for jobs.  Not nice, but it was very true.  I'm over it,  It wasn't me personally, and a good majority of my folks have overcome it---through hard work which speaks for itself.  No special policies, just hard work.

 

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September 12, 2008, 6:34 pm PDT

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Quote From: kali101

No one died BECAUSE of this word... My people died while being CALLED this word, while being force to believe we WERE this word! We, as black people, made the mistake of getting used to using this word. But, If you(white people) use it PERIOD, it has its consequences. We're tired of hearing white people use it. Face it! Words can make people feel sore. Its like insulting a child growing up, when he/she gets older he/she wont like you to use those words!!!

      1) Equal Rights would entitle whites to use this word as well, but if it offends anyone within earshot regardless of ethnic background it shouldn't be used. Therefore, this word if used should be in private only.

 

2) The N-Word isn't just offensive to African-Americans. This word has several slang and offical meanings, and it's use especially by any particular group that this word was directed towards is like pouring gas onto a fire. Why pour gas onto a open fire?

 
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September 12, 2008, 6:35 pm PDT

Question that never gets asked

I have been watching shows on this subject for some time now.  I was born in Delaware in 1959.  I was raised by my parents not to look at a person's race or religion and make a decision about who they were.  I was ALWAYS taught to get to know someone first, then make a decision whether they were a good person to be with.  I was also taught that the "N" word is not to be used, no matter what.  I moved down south when I was 9 years old.  I was discriminated against for being from the north, for being taller than all the other girls, for being a red-head, for having freckles...you name it.  Discrimination comes in many forms and it is all torture, especially to a child.  I heard the "N" word used often and it appalled me.  I couldn't believe that kids and adults would use that word so easily.  I also experienced race riots.  I never understood the hate.  When I had my children, I made it my goal to teach them to see all people as people, not based on any other factor.  Thankfully, they are good girls and DO live this way.

 

My question is:  Why do folks like those comedians on your show think that they are the ONLY people in the world who had ancestors that were slaves?  My family has a genealogy that shows that our descendants were used as slaves when they came over on the boat.  I want to know why they call themselves "African Americans".  They were born here, just like I was.  I don't hold a grudge toward all of the people who live today because my family ancestors struggled to live.  I have struggled my whole life to get what little I have.  I don't live like a queen.  I live paycheck to paycheck.  But I am happy and DO NOT blame anyone for my mistakes and shortcomings.  I also give back to society by being a Girl Scout leader and teach all my girls that they must do the same.  Why can't we live for today and make the best of the world we live in.  We are AMERICANS and we have more rights, privileges and freedoms than any other nation in the world.  Why would we continue to live in the past and hold on to the hate and prejudice?  It continues to breed hate and prejudice.

 

I would love for the "N" word to be gone from our language and see it only in print in the history books, so we can never forget how ignorance breeds ignorance.

 

Thank you.

 
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September 12, 2008, 6:35 pm PDT

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Quote From: darthk

Even though I have Indian in me I considered white. If I goes by what you said then I can't complain about haltered and being discriminated against right? Sorry but yes I can. I'm a disabled American. But according to you I can't complain about having to go in the streets because I can't get on the sidewalks, or I can't get in a building because of steps or a small door, or not being able to park in a handicap spot because some able body person is in it, or being called retarded just because I'm in a wheelchair, or being treated like a decease that needs to be wiped out, etc. But I guess because I'm white I can't complain? Sorry to me it's all the same! Haltered!
There are black, asians, hispanics, etc people who are handicapped and have the same challenges that you do.  Who is being discriminated against?  Yes you can complain under the Individuals with Disabilities Act.
 
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September 12, 2008, 6:35 pm PDT

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Quote From: emerald065

I am a Caucasian woman.  A term used by humans to describe a particular variety or race of people.  I watched tonight's show with great interest and some sadness.  I have 2 opinions on this topic that I would like to share:

 

1.   I wish that people would judge another by their actions and not their color or race.  I know I am being naive but it is because I have educated myself to think this way.   Being "educated" mean I have learned that I am White because my ancestors have had to evolve to survive - adapting to their surroundings in Europe.  Here,  the sun is not so intense on this area of the earth and as such my skin did not have to evolve to a darker color.  Why?  Because we all know the sun's rays will burn the skin but black reflects the sun.  Alternately, Black people have developed a darker skin tone because their ancestors are from one of the hottest regions on Earth and where the Sun is most concentrated --- Africa.  I gaurantee that if anyone looked into their history and where their ancestors originally came from they would see a direct correlation between how they look today and what surroundings our ancestors had to cope with inorder to survive.  All races look different because of this fact and it has nothing to do with any particular one being smarter, better, or fitter.  That my race shamefully chose to steal another  race from their homes and force them into servitude is a very very horrible history for us.  Something that most educated white people are ashamed about to this day. I think that one of the least things a White person can do is never use the "N" word in any connotation.  So to can be said for any race regarding this word.  It is one that was used to belittle and ridicule a particular race of people and a term I would never use.

 

2. Having said the above and all that is implied with the "N" word it should never be used but  in a documentary to refer to horrible racial terms that were used by White people during this time.  Let me give you another example to prove my point.  Let's say you are at work and you overheard another co-worker saying the word "Holocaust" to describe their day or whatever.  What would you think?  I know what I would think and say, " How dare that person so flippantly use such a racially charged word that represented a horrendous time in history (when millions of Jewish people lost their lives simply because they were Jewish),  to describe their day!   I would wager their is no Jewish person on Earth who uses that word in a sentence except to talk about a documentary they saw.   So do you see what I mean?   The "N" word is the same thing and shouldn't be used by anyone, no matter what the race. 

 

In closing, I would like to apologize to the African American people for what my race -  White did to their ancestors  and I would also like to apologize to the Jewish people for mentioning the word above.    It was used only to show and hopefully change some people's minds on certain terms that should only be used respectfully and in the right setting.

My God thank you for saying what you said...those are my thoughts expressed so eloquently.  Every race has been exploited somewhere...be it Irish, Jewish, Chinese, Japanese, Ukrainian...need I go on.  This is a racist world.  I will give it that the Africans and the Jews were more persecuted than others but we have all suffered racism in some form.  This is why we all have to come together and become one race...THE HUMAN RACE... My mother was ostracized from her church because she couldn't speak english.  My dad stood up for her and they eventually taught her to speak english.  That is how the world should work. I have been dreaming of this happening for years.  I hope It happens in my life time  The world is a complicated place and if we could just become colour blind we would all get along. Also...if we could all stop living in the past (slavery, the holocaust, aparthied...etc....etc...etc...) we can maybe find some common ground,   We have to stop involving ourselves in other peoplle's problems.   America...Canada...WAKE UP!!!!!!!! YOU ARE NOT HELPING THE SITUATION!!!!!!!

 
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September 12, 2008, 6:36 pm PDT

Confused also

Quote From: grapevine1

 We are referred to as White American. Those who call themselves African American confuse me. How many of them were born in Africa? Although they might have come from ancestors who originated in Africa many years ago. I came from a line that originated in Scotland and England many years ago but I don't refer to myself as Scottish/English American. I am a white American and have no prejudice toward the black race!

 

 I don't get the whole African-American thing either - isn't Charlize Theron African-American?

I was born in Canada and am simply proud to be Canadian, no prefix needed.

 

 

 
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September 12, 2008, 6:36 pm PDT

09/12 The N-Word Debate

Quote From: PennyLane78

"Blacks hate the white race and that is the reason the fights continue."

Well, that is definitely something you and I will disagree on. Are there SOME racist people across the board? Yup. But ALL black people do not hate ALL white people. That's ridiculous to say.

"But when a magazine like Ebony comes out we know why whites aren't in it and it makes us feel discriminated against."

LOL! I don't feel discriminated against at all!!! Speak for yourself...LOL

"Allot of whites I know are all copying blacks. They want to dress like them, talk like them, walk like them. "

Do you REALLY? Or do they simply enjoy styles that are generally used by black people?

"You don't see blacks copying whites."

I don't see blacks and whites being so separate that this sentence even makes sense.

" I would love to see the day I see a black man in a cowboy hat."


























Do you love today yet?

"allot of whites really do look at blacks as roll models "

So....what?

" I may sound racist and that is not the case,"

You do. You seem to be upset that some white people wear clothes or do things that you consider to be "black"...and I don't know why THAT would bother you unless you felt it was beneath white people to do so.

I agree that there is too much sensitivity over the n-word...but that is only because it's a WORD.
Thank you... please let her know about Cowboy Troy. He's a bad dude in his Black cowboy hat!

I believe he sang the National Anthem at the Republican Nat'l Convention a few weeks back.
 
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