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This two-syllable expression is arguably the most divisive word in society. Dr. Phil tackles this touchy topic with help from a panel of outspoken luminaries: civil rights activist Rev. Al Sharpton; legendary comedian and writer Paul Mooney; CSI actor and author Hill Harper; comedian Sheryl Underwood and conservative radio talk show host Michael Graham. First, is there a double standard that allows African-Americans to use this sensitive word, while non-blacks are forbidden? The debate heats up when Rachel, a white guest, says she calls her husband the N-word all the time. Then, should hip-hop artists be censored or fined for using the N-word in their songs? Becky says rappers promote negative stereotypes with their lyrics, but find out who Rev. Al Sharpton thinks should face the music. Plus, does tone or intent make a difference when using the N-word? See what Dr. Phil thinks and share your thoughts here.

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September 12, 2008, 10:30 pm PDT

Freedom?

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I myself have issues with the show.I feel for being a debate there were not enough White people up on the panel to speak out  for our views and how we perceive the N word. One white man is no equality of any sort,to equally  balance the debate at hand.

I feel that The back race uneducated their own, to were media and culture  praises the N word and uses it as they see fit. Regardless if it  is right or wrong.  I myself am WHITE born and raised in America. I do not refer to myself as a WHITE AMERICAN. The blacks  in this day an age use the status title of African American to status themselves, their not from Africa.They were born here. Their American. Just like myself. They have equal if not more rights.Their not treated as slaves in our society! I have also seen great use of the N word with their own people. They except the term and use. why can't we?

      I as a white woman have no problem with the N word. I don't feel the N word should be abolished or illegal. We have  freedom of speech in this country. Just like we have the right to bare arms. So when the Blacks stop using the word ,we will.

Since when do we define freedom as the right to hurt others?  If a word hurts, don't use it.  It is a silly excuse to say that others use a hateful word, so I will.  I teach social psychology and despite warnings from others we have open discussions on racism in class.  Whether it matters or not, I have light colored skin and I am a woman.  I start my discussion by explaining that, although genetically there is no basis for the concept of race, racism is a very real social problem.  While overt racism has been reduced, there is still a lot of scientific evidence that implicit racism still exists and effects the way important decisions are made( such as hiring processes and fear of crime).  It cannot be argued that the experience of living in the US as a person of color is a experience, than living in the US as a "white" person, just as the experience of being a woman is different.  When I was in college, one of my best friends was a black man from a large urban area.  We went to a very diverse and very liberal private college.  One night when a group of us were cramming for an exam, my friend and I made a snack run to a town close by.  When we were in the convenience store, the clerk followed my friend the whole time.  I could have robbed them blind because he paid no attention to me.  That kind of experience changes your experience of the world.  Persons of color, (black, Hispanic, Asian,  or other) experience different perceptions and sometimes it hurts. If a person who has experienced a painful experience asks not to use a term that is associated with that experience, why would we refuse to abandon that word, even if other do not.
 
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September 12, 2008, 10:33 pm PDT

Actions speak louder than words!

   I live as a minority in this country that my ancestors once called Home. I am an American Indian and full of pride. Todays show really amazed me as far as RACISM.The show started out about the N-word and then switched to drastic measures of racism. I found this to be really interesting. The male comedian totaly blew it! I cant believe how racial he became with the audience. I feel like the problems in society is beyond the N-word. Just look how debated the show became. We went from the N-word to lashing out and pointing out race in the audience. Sorry but your actions speak louder than words at times and they got pretty loud on todays show. I just hope that we remember that our children lear and for the most part follow in our footsteps. The children of today and tomorrow are and will be our future. We cant change what our ancestors went through, but we can work to pave a new road for our children in the future. Watch those actions and words. It lets the real RACISM out!
 
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September 12, 2008, 10:33 pm PDT

N-word

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 I find it very frustrating that the N-word is forbidden and put aside with history BUT put the slavery stuff with that. The one guest(male) with the knit cap on, was very nasty to the one lady and was repeating all about slavery. He may have had family that were slaves but he wasn't why can't they let that go. They are always rubbing that in OUR faces,ya think we like hearing that? I know I don't and I know there are lots that are sick of hearing it. They can't have everything their way we all need to work together and stop fighting each other and just be the best Americans there are.We need to show the rest of the world we can live in peace with each other no matter what color we are. Thank you

 

GOD BLESS AMERICA.

The gentleman's name is Paul Moody.   Slavery is  not far enough behind us to forget it.  Slavery is not like watching a movie and then getting up and going home and going on with your life.  My grand mother was born in 1898, which was not too far after the abolition  of slavery.  It is very difficult to for a whole section of the population to just "get over it".  Even when slavery was was "ended" we were not considered equal. Martin Luther King , Jr. was assasinated in my life time for fighting for equal rights.

Mr. Moody is tired, as I am, of other minorities claiming that they had "trouble", too.  If our ancestors had come here of  their own free will, I could agree with the lady.  But  that is not the case. That was the point that Mr. Moody was trying to make. It takes time to heal. Telling us to get over it doesn't help. If you have broken your leg does it really help you if I tell you to just get over it? Your leg is still broken, right? As long as you view us as "them" or "they" you take yourself out of the equation,  like so many non- blacks do.  Until you can refer to us interms of "we" and "us" , there will be no solutions.  If you gave birth to a beautiful baby girl and someone came and stole her away and you could not find her, would you be able to "just get over it"?  If you saw that person or someone related to that person and told them what they had done and they ignored you or said that the child is gone get over it, could you?  would you drop the issue and get on with your life or would you keep after them?   Would you try to get that child back or just forget about her?  It wouldn't be a matter of whether or not anyone wanted to hear about it.  There would not be any peace in your heart until you got what you wanted .  You could not live in peace with the person or relatives of the person who stole something so precious from you.  That is how I feel about my heritage.

 
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September 12, 2008, 10:33 pm PDT

The N word Debate

The one thing that bothered me was when comedian Mrs. Underwood started talking she said..."I can say any word that is in the Lexicon book." Now if you noticed when she was speaking about words, she did not say anything about it being for friends, family, a lover. She said "I can say any word that is in the Lexicon book.

 

So after that everything she said was a lie as far as I'm concerned. Because the "friendship, family, intimacy  where the "N" word was "allowed" didn't come out till a small bit later. But this was her declaration when she first spoke.

 

So if "she" can say any word that is in the Lexicon...why can't others do the same? Is it only blacks that can wield the Lexicon book as their proof?

 

Her second choice of conversation was for Mrs. Underwood to let the audience know that we needed to be giving some"credit" aka "common sense" that the (whites) have been strategically placed around the room, no where near a door, so that if someone said the "N" word that the black people would be all over you kicking your butt! PULEAZE! To me that said superiority right there. What does she think? That we would all cower in a corner? H*** No we wouldn't cower!

 

I am not racist or do I use or like the word "N" but I don't ever see this word being laid to rest. BTW  this is the definition and the meaning of a Lexicon.

 

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8 dictionary results for: lexicon Webster's New Millenniumâ„¢ Dictionary of English - Cite This Source - Share This Main Entry:   lexicon1 Part of Speech:   n Definition:   a word book describing language with definitions; dictionary Etymology:   Greek lexis 'word, phrase'

 

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September 12, 2008, 10:41 pm PDT

The N-Word Debate

When I lived overseas, somone from Belguim asked me how I would define an American.  My reply was this: Americans are the blacksheep of the world.  Our ancestors forced out of their homes, loved ones murdered because of who they were.  That our ancestors did not have value in the countries that they lived in and fled those countries to find a better life.  The rejects that nobody wanted and eventually became the people that everyone across the world wanted to be.

 

It amazes me how one word can cause such an uproar.  The N-word is obviously a horrific word.  Any word that is used to degrade a person is obviously wrong.  Anyone who would degrade a person because of their race and/or religion is an idiot.

 

I saw this episode today and all I saw was fuel added to the fire.  It only pointed out the obvious; that we the people have made a choice.  In a country that thrives on diversity and takes pride in it.  A choice to act like children and not as adults.  A choice to let petty words divide us.  Here in a country that people all over the world long to come to and are used as an example on how other countries should treat their own people.  Here in a country where we hold pride that all men and women are created equal.  Here in a country where you are not judged by race, religion, or who your father was.  Here in this country we judge you by who you are and what you do.  That each person here has value.

 

It saddens me to see that we choose to let these petty words divide us instead of unite us.  That we choose not to act as adults.  That we choose not to live as one.

 

We the people need to choose to act as adults.  To not let these petty words bother us and not to fuel the fire that we are so desperately trying to put out. To show each other the respect that each person has the right to.

 
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September 12, 2008, 10:46 pm PDT

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I feel often that I am looked down upon like I am racist simply because I am white. I was not raised in a town or home that tolerated the hate. As I got older, it was assumed by African American people that I was racist when I stood up for myself. One instance that sticks out in my mind is a African American women was not paying attention to what she was doing opened her car door and damaged my brand new car, when I got out to talk to her, the statements was "We are no longer Slaves","Those Days are over", and countless other remarks based on her race. It was her behavior not the color of her skin that got us into an argument. I cried when I watched roots in High School and was called out by one of the African American girls in the class and accused of being fake, and told me I had no clue what they had been through!This has now happened to me a number of times and I am ashamed to admit I am starting to feel racist.

 

African American people do not want to be segregated from whites, yet  BET, African American colleges and beauty pageants place a further divide in the minds of the American people, where it would be a civil rights violation if a white group attempted it.

 

One day I am afraid that I will become the person that I am accused of being. And in my heart I know it might already be too late...

African American people do not want to be segregated from whites, yet  BET, African American colleges and beauty pageants place a further divide in the minds of the American people, where it would be a civil rights violation if a white group attempted it.

 

One day I am afraid that I will become the person that I am accused of being. And in my heart I know it might already be too late...

 

I feel the same way. I have always loved people for who they are-not the color of their skin. But I too find my self angry &  bitter over double standards. I too worry that I will one day become what we are accused of.

 

Donna

 
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September 12, 2008, 10:47 pm PDT

09/12 The N-Word Debate

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The one thing that bothered me was when comedian Mrs. Underwood started talking she said..."I can say any word that is in the Lexicon book." Now if you noticed when she was speaking about words, she did not say anything about it being for friends, family, a lover. She said "I can say any word that is in the Lexicon book.

 

So after that everything she said was a lie as far as I'm concerned. Because the "friendship, family, intimacy  where the "N" word was "allowed" didn't come out till a small bit later. But this was her declaration when she first spoke.

 

So if "she" can say any word that is in the Lexicon...why can't others do the same? Is it only blacks that can wield the Lexicon book as their proof?

 

Her second choice of conversation was for Mrs. Underwood to let the audience know that we needed to be giving some"credit" aka "common sense" that the (whites) have been strategically placed around the room, no where near a door, so that if someone said the "N" word that the black people would be all over you kicking your butt! PULEAZE! To me that said superiority right there. What does she think? That we would all cower in a corner? H*** No we wouldn't cower!

 

I am not racist or do I use or like the word "N" but I don't ever see this word being laid to rest. BTW  this is the definition and the meaning of a Lexicon.

 

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8 dictionary results for: lexicon Webster's New Millennium Dictionary of English - Cite This Source - Share This Main Entry:   lexicon1 Part of Speech:   n Definition:   a word book describing language with definitions; dictionary Etymology:   Greek lexis 'word, phrase'

 

Donna

I think I counted six racial charged things today watching that show, when she said all the blacks would kick white peoples behinds, Paul Moody, called a women in the audience a "B" made the statement about Whites being serial killers/ school shooters, and also made a comment about getting OJ on her behind.

 
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September 12, 2008, 10:49 pm PDT

Hypocrite

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It seems to me that there is reverse racism going on.  Blacks can use N***** in their songs and raps but Whites aren't supposed to say it.  Where's the logic in that?  If they can use it about themselves then they shouldn't  get all in our faces when we or anyone else uses it too. 

 

Besides....aren't there more important things to work on in this world of ours besides the use of a word?

By commenting on the message board on the use of the "n" word, you are doing exactly the opposite of what you suggest we should do.. focus on more important things besides a word. A non-black person could never understand why Black people feel the way we do. I do not agree on use of the word at all; although, many Black people use it among each other without any intended negative connotation. The reason that is not the case for white people is the history behind the word. Imagine your child in a store acting unruly... talking back to you, kicking you from the cart, etc. & another parent witnesses this behavior. Because this parent has witnessed you scold your child before, (public/private) he/she gets nose to nose with your toddler & scolds him telling him how bad & unruly he's behaving. Would that be okay because you do that to your child? Or, is it inappropriate because it's not their place? Imagine your husband/wife has heard you call a sibling an annoying b**** & says "Hun, that annoying b**** is on the phone again"? Is it ok because you have said it before? White people want Black people to "get over it" only to make themselves more comfortable on the issue of race. It will not be over until whites stop believing adulterated propaganda created by the media of the dangerous, scary Black people... or until I can stop being pulled over by police& not hear "Do you have any guns, knives, drugs, or large amounts of currency?"... or until White people across the board receive the same sentencing that Blacks receive for the same crime... or until there is no need for quotas& affirmative action for us to get an equal opportunity for employment... or until white people get ticketed in proportion to Black people for minor traffic offenses... or until white people (who make the majority of serial killers and pedophiles) can concede that as a race, Black people pose no more of a threat than they do... When that day comes, Black people will have nothing to get over. :)
 
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September 12, 2008, 10:49 pm PDT

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 I don't understand how this man gained so much fame and respect, when he rose to those by lying and perpetrating a fraud?  Why is it okay that the African Americans can spew hatred about anyone and none of them are taken to task? Did the media go balistic and criticize Kanye West after his outburst on TV after hurricaine Katrina? No, they replayed  it as a condemnation of the Bush administration?  An African American child calling a white overweight child fat is as hurtful to the white child as the "N" word to the African American. I doubt if any uproar would be made about the child being called fat.

What man are you talking about?  The N word was derived from negative terms and meanings for people that were not of european descent.  {not white skin tone} African Americans were brought to this country against their will and enslaved, by others. European people were brought to this country and enslaved as indentured servants.  Tell me the difference, {color, different languages, ethnicity, different habits and backgrounds, WHAT}  The basic purpose of enslaving the africans was to control them, and for them to work for the LAZY white man, who thought that they were superior to every other man, because they had  trinkets to barter and trick other cultures for their own selfish needs.  Who created the N word?  not the africans, because did not speak english!!   You should know where you have come from , and maybe you could have an idea of where you are going!!!!!!!!!!!
 
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September 12, 2008, 10:49 pm PDT

JAMACIAN BOBSLEAD TEAM?

Black pple get real... you race is going downhill faster than the Jamacian bobslead team. 

 And a big part of it is because of the trash they show and promote on BET, and MTV.    When your radio stations feed messges like "shawty wanna thug" ...and then you act surprised when stats come out that say black males now leave over 70% of their kids with NO fathers....and are 11 TIMES more likely to have AIDS than whites.  In fact.... blacks make up 13% of the population...but over 50% of the prision population, and over 50% of the new AIDS cases.  

 And dont talk about white serial killers....you dont remember lee malvo the DC sniper?  or the Atlanta child murders in the 80's? 

 Ive personally dated 3 different beautiful black young women in atlanta....and they perfered white guys.  We apparently treat or women better and offer a better future.  (just what i heard from their lips!) 

 

And dont even get me started on all the reverse racism going around.... black men call white men "white boys"  all the time in raps and on tv.  In fact apparently all white men cant jump, cant play basketall, and have small d*cks.   HAHA..... dont blacks wish that was true. 

 

And when i was in a club recently in Atlanta i overheard 2 black guys talking about "white dudes aint got the swagga wes gots"  

 yup ....yall got "swagga" alright...the swagga to get off your job at mcdonalds...go to a bar and hit on ANYTHING that moves.... then dissapear the minute you hear shes pregnant! 

Meanwhile im white and i have CONFIDENCE...confidence that i can take care of my family and be the man God intended me to be!   The Confidence that im not going to give my wife one day AIDS or syphillis!

Im not saying all young black males are this way...but its seriously around 60-70% of them that just arent worth a crap. 

 

 
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