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This two-syllable expression is arguably the most divisive word in society. Dr. Phil tackles this touchy topic with help from a panel of outspoken luminaries: civil rights activist Rev. Al Sharpton; legendary comedian and writer Paul Mooney; CSI actor and author Hill Harper; comedian Sheryl Underwood and conservative radio talk show host Michael Graham. First, is there a double standard that allows African-Americans to use this sensitive word, while non-blacks are forbidden? The debate heats up when Rachel, a white guest, says she calls her husband the N-word all the time. Then, should hip-hop artists be censored or fined for using the N-word in their songs? Becky says rappers promote negative stereotypes with their lyrics, but find out who Rev. Al Sharpton thinks should face the music. Plus, does tone or intent make a difference when using the N-word? See what Dr. Phil thinks and share your thoughts here.

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September 15, 2008, 7:52 pm PDT

N-Word

Quote From: ohines

It seems to me that there is reverse racism going on.  Blacks can use N***** in their songs and raps but Whites aren't supposed to say it.  Where's the logic in that?  If they can use it about themselves then they shouldn't  get all in our faces when we or anyone else uses it too. 

 

Besides....aren't there more important things to work on in this world of ours besides the use of a word?

Words are what communication is based on. In rap songs yes, the word is often used. In most cases the word is used in the context of "friend" or "dude". I say dude because I once used the word but myself and my friends have replaced it. Why because others don't understand how we were using it. That is just like how women refer to each other as the B-word but if a man does it the meaning is different.

 

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September 15, 2008, 8:22 pm PDT

May double post. Thing logged me out...

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I agree with your statement, however comparing the Black Panthers or Rev. Wright with the Neo Nazis and the Oldest Terrorist Organization on Earth the KKK / The White Knights is a bit off base. The KKK has been around since the 1800's, terrorizing, beating, raping, killing, and hanging black people and those who saw fit to align themselves with the civil rights movement. This is an organization that our government has allowed to continue to exhist in spite of their divisive attitude. The Black Panthers was an organization that fed children and excercised their right to bare arms and the government quickly arrested and disbanned the group. Yeah the N word sucks and I don't really feel for anyone who is upset that they can't use it, but until you've been spit at and called an N word don't judge.

     Just to clarify. I used them because they all spread hate in one way or another. In terms of the Black Panther's, I based that on during the Vietnam War; they had went door to door in a dominant white community and threatened to burn it down in a ransomish manner. I'll have to do more research to see if there is a correlation to your point that they were disbanded.

     The KKK has been disbanded, and it sprung up after World War II, but as a "Hydra Cell" and two splinter factions. White Knights and Neo Nazis.

     I agree the latter is more dangerous; thus the closer scrutiny.

 

    Would anyone feel any different if someone spit on you and called you a racial slur?

 
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September 15, 2008, 8:24 pm PDT

My input reguarding the N word debate.

Basically my input is that the N word has existed for so long it is doubtful that it will ever go away. I hate to  think that we live in a society that a word that places so much hate into daily life exists but there will always be that group of people that welcome the word into daily life. One thing I have a hard time understanding is why quite a few of the black people I have met in my life have called themselves African Americans. I do not understand why a black person would refer to themself as an African American when they have never been to Africa. When a person has never been to Africa, probably never studied Africa should decide to link their American status with Africa. When a person is born in America they are Americans plain and simple and I do not see any reason to add to that just to gain a status that is important to the person that says they are African American to begin with.
 
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September 15, 2008, 8:29 pm PDT

cornell74 You are right Rachel...

The N-WORD show did sort of get off course like a runaway stagecoach with Paul Mooney lashing out using his tongue as a whip... It makes no difference who he says taught him to be that way... Once he chose to behave that way it was his choice to behave as he says he abhors. I don't mean that insulting either to anyone and just it is what it IS. I'm sorry to hear that your full story wasn't shared after editing taping to fit in time frame allowed for Dr. Phil Show.

A friend of mine was on Dr. Phil 1,000th Show and that extended to 1,001st show since ran over time. Like you she got a free trip for her and her husband "and" they both got gifts shown given to audience so she shared the experience sending me one of her 50 diamond tennis bracelets. I almost am brought to tears of deep emotional gratitude with her sharing experience since I was so surprised and moved by her generosity. Also, she sent a bottle of the "Amazing Grace" perfume, A Dr. Phil 1000 Show t-shirt and coffee mug.

I'm happy to hear the good review of "White Chicks" by you for now I simply must check the library next time I'm there to see if available. Lots of times by the time at library I forget about show. So, I'm glad what you said reminded me of.

I just gave a movie billboard poster to a woman at North Dallas Antique Mall that was FREE at the library.

Rachel, I have had a lot of the same experiences as you say you have being mistreated by all races, too, "judging a book by its cover" or me by my race, so to speak. Like you, I believe we all belong to the human race. Yet, too, I have met a lot of people of every race like us who just want us all to get along. Thank God...

Speaking of your movie theme decor. I recently sold a billboard poster of Fred Astaire and someone at a place Fred Astaire danced in 80's that was about 3 feet by 4 feet for not that much simply because I had no place to store. Sold to Half Price Books on NW HWY in Dallas. Nicely framed and everything.

You can go to Estate Sales after 3 p.m. last day and garage sales and often get items free and quite often framed movie posters. Not to mention at Thrift Stores for a mere fraction of what worth especially on half price days. Sadly, in Dallas what you see often ends up curb side for City Pickup. Oh well, I just thought I'd share that with you because I imagine poster fetched a lot with the popularity of "Dancing with the Stars". I've seen so many on Antique Road Show with VERY valuable finds who have found items at garage sales, thrift stores or thrown out curb side.

Thanks for the reply taking time to explain, Rachel. God Bless You as, now, I see why you were so hurt since things didn't turn out as you thought would. (The unexpected IS the most stressful, researchers say.) So, no wonder you have your user mood as stressed. I'm glad you stopped by... it makes the show seem more real when someone on the show stops by the boards. In five years I've only seen that happen five or less times on the boards. I hope Paul Mooney and everyone on show watch show "and" read the boards, here, too. Good for you for seeing your value and your husband's value. You have a lot of pluses... Accentuate those angel. I'm glad you joined us. SEA

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September 15, 2008, 8:45 pm PDT

cornell74 aka Rachel

http://www.familysearch.org/eng/default.asp Below is from above link Jake POLLARD Household Male Other Information: Birth Year Birthplace ALABAMA Age 25 Occupation Farmer Marital Status M Race B Head of Household Jake POLLARD Relation Self Father's Birthplace ALABAMA Mother's Birthplace ALABAMA Source Information: Census Place Plantersville, Grimes, Texas Family History Library Film 1255307 NA Film Number T9-1307 Page Number 112D
 
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September 15, 2008, 8:54 pm PDT

The n word

I am a 45 year old w/f and I do not use the n word. But I have one thing to say that no one ever says when they discuss racial issues. Wasn't it white people who fought for the end of slavery? And wasn't it a white man who set the slaves free? It frustrates me when people act like all whites were slave owners and for slavery when that obviously wasn't the case. I think we have a long way to go, but it has to come from all sides, all colors.
 
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September 15, 2008, 8:55 pm PDT

Im Rachel frome the show

Let me tell you all a story

There once was a man who was ran over by a crazy careless driver. This man who was driving had no compassion for the man he struck and he took off. The man he struck lost one of his legs.  The man who hit him did not tell his wife what he had done. Years later the wife still owned the car that hit the man but was not longer married to her husband. One day she stooped at the store and got out of the car. When suddenly an one legged man approached her, yelling at her. The lady was confused, she could see the man was suffering only having one leg but why would he be yelling at her? The man became more clear as he got closer. It seems the man recognized the car that hit him after all them years. He told the women you are the reason I have one leg. He said the man that drove that car years ago hit me in that car and ran. The women said I am no longer married to that man and I knew nothing about it. The man kept screaming I hate you, you did this to me. The women was upset defending herself, telling the man It wasn't me, I didn't do it. The man said it doesn't matter it was your husband at one time so its your fault. The women replied, but I would never have done something so cruel to anyone. The man and women spent allot of time going back and forth, him yelling her defending. Finally the man took a deep breath and was silent for just a moment. He looked at the lady and said, I am sorry, I realize you were not there and you did not do it. I feel yelling at you is the next closest thing to yelling at him, I wish I could yell at him and show him what he did to me and how much he changed my life. The lady then hung her head and said, I too am sorry, I can see your hurting and I want to help you, what can I do to make it better? The man smiled and said you just did.

Moral of the story.... this can be blacks and whites if we just take the time to respect each other equally. If no one is pointing fingers then no one can defend and then we can hear each other. I have learned so much from doing this show and participating on the message boards and I thank Dr. Phil for having the show, even if it changed only one person (me)........................ it is still PROGRESS!
I now have NO REGRETS
I am finished here.
 
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September 15, 2008, 8:59 pm PDT

09/12 The N-Word Debate

Quote From: cornell74

Please let me say a few things in regards to your post. First of all I really don't spend time calling my husband the N word, it was just an example of how I may have used the word. I don't have a problem not saying the word and I would never ever say it to anyone to hurt them. I will not call my husband that anymore however my point was saying the word does not make you a racist person. I feel love for blacks the same I do whites. I did not do the show for fame for I knew that in doing the show my chances of fame would be zero. I did the show because I was tired of hearing blacks assume everything the white man does to them that is negative is  to  due to their color. I myself deal with blacks that treat me unkind for no reason but I do not let that discourage me from talking to the next.  I know the show was about the N word however it is hard to not get into a deep race conversation when addressing the issue. I just feel that the word is evolving into a new meaning and I don't wish to understand why we cant let it happen because the word will never go away so why not let it loose its power. I realize people have strong feelings about the use of the word and I wish them all the best of luck in stopping the world from using it. I'll do my share to help make that happen but I don't believe it will. Also I do not have regrets about the show, I really hoped to have a conversation without yelling but I had no idea I was dealing with such an angry man. My only regret Is that I  did not get the time I was told I would get to explain what I said and therefor was very upsetting for me. I myself have a ancestry that was a black slave but that part was cut out. With that being said, what I meant about the movie was I actually wanted to see it performed as a test for the black man to see that white man are discriminated against by blacks too. I want a black man to walk in a white mans shoes for a day. I want to thank you for your reply, oh and one more thing, I did see White chicks its my favorite show. Actually I have a movie theme in my home and white chicks in framed in my living room!!! Great Movie!!

Take Care
Yes!!!!!!!!!  White Chic's great comedy!
 
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September 15, 2008, 9:19 pm PDT

The “N” Word

Should we all stop using the word? That would be impossible. Why? You may ask. I will tell you why.  As a kid I recall reading a book in school that contained the word. At that time I had not been exposed to the word so I did not understand the meaning behind it. As my mother always did if I didn’t know the meaning of a word I had to “look it up”. So I did and I found basically “a noun in the English language, most notable for its usage in a derogatory context to refer to black people.” The first thing to get rid of the words is the complete destruction of those classic publications that contain the word.  Not going to happen! All music and movies would have to fall to the same fate. Most importantly we as people would have to take the personal responsibility to stop using it. We can’t even get past racism, so once again, not going to happen.

It’s just a word and words only have power if you give them power. That statement is so untrue. If I slam your hand in a car door it hurts. Now if I apologize for doing it does not hurt quite as much, but it still hurts (lol).  This word was created to hurt and degrade our ancestors as well as us today. Now it is used in Hip-hop culture to mean friend or black man.  Look at the “B” word frequently used as a term for a malicious, spiteful, domineering, intrusive, or unpleasant person, especially a woman. Women of all races refer to one another as the “B” word, but not with the malicious intent in a playful way. Now if a man says that same word to a woman it hurts. So just like everyone can’t say that, we all can’t say the “N” word.

What is my point? This is one of the many issues that we will always have do deal with. If you choose to use it just be tactful. Know where you are and who is around when you are using it because that person that wants to use it to offend you is listening. If you don’t use it more power to you and I hope that we all can reach that point on day.

 

 
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September 15, 2008, 9:21 pm PDT

A slight rebuttal...

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I am a 45 year old w/f and I do not use the n word. But I have one thing to say that no one ever says when they discuss racial issues. Wasn't it white people who fought for the end of slavery? And wasn't it a white man who set the slaves free? It frustrates me when people act like all whites were slave owners and for slavery when that obviously wasn't the case. I think we have a long way to go, but it has to come from all sides, all colors.
You're right that there were mostly white people fighting during the civil war but you should understand that most blacks at the time were in the south and couldn't just run off the plantations and take up arms. Although there were some plantation revolts but they sort of ended in massacres. And the Immanciption Proclamation didn't free the saves; it basically said all the slaves that were part of the confederacy were free and those that had escaped to the north were free. It didn't open the floodgates for all slaves to have their freedom. But the main point... of course a white man "freed the slaves" it's not like there would've been a black president in 1863,,,,
 
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