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This two-syllable expression is arguably the most divisive word in society. Dr. Phil tackles this touchy topic with help from a panel of outspoken luminaries: civil rights activist Rev. Al Sharpton; legendary comedian and writer Paul Mooney; CSI actor and author Hill Harper; comedian Sheryl Underwood and conservative radio talk show host Michael Graham. First, is there a double standard that allows African-Americans to use this sensitive word, while non-blacks are forbidden? The debate heats up when Rachel, a white guest, says she calls her husband the N-word all the time. Then, should hip-hop artists be censored or fined for using the N-word in their songs? Becky says rappers promote negative stereotypes with their lyrics, but find out who Rev. Al Sharpton thinks should face the music. Plus, does tone or intent make a difference when using the N-word? See what Dr. Phil thinks and share your thoughts here.

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September 18, 2008, 7:12 am PDT

09/12 The N-Word Debate

Quote From: aaron2020

Are you serious? Militant blacks ran rampant on Dr. Phil's show? That word, militant, is a dangerous label to give someone. I loved the show. Maybe it's because I'm a black militant myself. What is a black militant? is it someone who wants justice and equality? I am confused. How could this show offend you so much? You got a chance to see real people, both on stage and in the audience, and everybody expressed themselves openly and honestly. It sounds as though you wanted to hear something different. Maybe you wanted a less heated exchange, but not me. Human emotions ran high and people expressed how they truly felt. Beautiful. I didn't agree with a lot of the comments made by audience members, but it taught me a lot. It let me know that there are very racist white people who claim not be racist, and who are probably very nice people, but deep down have a distaste for black people. The truth came out and I hope Dr. Phil does a part 2.

Dr. Phil handled this controversial topic in an extemely professional and responsible manner. The panel was accurately representative of the Black community, the group who is most affected by this topic. Mooney was certainly outspoken adamant, but Hill Harper never raised his voice and contributed research-based facts. Al Sharpton offered a great prespective from the legal standpoint. And Cheryl Undrewood consistently underscored her views with relatable humaor that helped to maintain a comfortable mood.

 

You may be confusing militantancy with honesty; in that aspect you're right. Being forced to anlayze one's biases and contribution a state of inhumanity is scary!!

 
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September 18, 2008, 7:19 am PDT

09/12 The N-Word Debate

Quote From: steffiev

Racism is here to stay.  We can disect it anyway we want and it's still here and always will be.

The slavery thing is used as a crutch for many and frankly it's tiring.  I didn't have anything to do with the Halucaust and didn't have anything to do with slavery.  Sharpton is only trying to keep them oppressed to he can cry "racism" and keep on playing his fiddle. 

Paul Mooney was a true jerk on the show and I am only sorry Dr. Phil didn't step in and take control of the situation.  Mooney's racism was what was exposed.

 

Figures like Sharpton, Jackson...those people will always cry racsim because they know those positions that they hold now, their followers will be in the same position as them.  They are making LARGE amounts of money by screaming racism everyday.  They won't let it go because their job and income revolves around it.

 

You know somebody mentioned in an earlier post about white cops beating up on black guys.  Of course that has never happened the other way around, right?  LOL   Wait, do you remember that video where those black security guards tossed that white guy out of his wheelchair?  Guess they had their opportunity and went for it.  It is all in what the cameras catch, and that is the ONLY thing that makes the news.

 

Somebody else mentioned about being pulled over because you are black.  Well, let me tell you something....I have been pulled over because I was white, and got lost and drove through a black part of town.  I was pulled over simply to see what business I had in that part of town.  I told the cop I was lost and laughed at him, and I went on my merry way!  Doors locked of course!  lol 

 
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September 18, 2008, 7:26 am PDT

im rachel from the show

Quote From: cornell74

Your right it is a form of racism, in whites minds, it is. In blacks minds it is not because they are voting for a black man that can be in the highest power because to them that is a huge sense of feeling more as an equal to the white race. They are not thinking, let get whitey and piss them off  they are thinking what a huge progress it will be for them to feel equal and be equal. I don't really blame them. If every single president in the world was black and finally a white man gets the chance to run for president I think ever white man would vote for him no matter what.  Its human nature, not racism. Now on the other hand, our economy is crap, I live in Michigan I know that most, and I think it was a bad time for a black man to run because it is so very important that we make the right choice right now and maybe Obama is the right choice IDK I for one have not decided. What I am trying to say is Obama running is so big for the black race that I don't think getting the right president in is top on their list and again I don't blame them (if that is the case).  I just hope whoever wins, wins because they are the right person for the job not because of their skin color because I am sick of paying 400.00 dollars a month in gas. Let the best man win.
Let me add too that I'm sure many blacks are voting for him because they do think he will do better. I think however the subject of presidency is something I should stay away from. I'm sure I will easily offend someone. So in the famous words of Paul Mooney I think I will "shut up", lol
 
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September 18, 2008, 7:27 am PDT

understand we get a forum

Quote From: aaron2020

Please do not make it seem as though whites got treated unfair. This show was about the N word. This is really a black issue so why would you want whites to dominate this discussion? Blacks are the most poorly treated minority in the world so the least you could do is be a little understanding that we get a forum to discuss the N word. Is that too much to ask for? You wanted more white representation from the show? Did you want "equal" representation? Forget about it. Let us have something. Let us have a voice. Is it often that black people get to discuss such a topic openly in front of millions of people? Dr. Phil did a great thing and I commend him for it. Truth be told, whites dominate this country. Whites dominate the media, dominate the police force, dominate the political positions, dominate the judicial positions, and much more, so try to be a little compassionate for us  because we don't have much and we don't get these opportunities often.

Hi  aaron2020  ,  u  should  as  well  have  a  forum  to  discuss  those  other  important  issiues  that  in  truth  many  people  may  fear  discussing  due  to  the  fact  that   the  whites  have  dominated  your  "free right"  to  also  "ask"  why ?  there  seems  to  be  a  double  standard  with   displaced  and  dispersed  persecuted  people  .  when  did  the  dominate  "white"  Government  ever  say  it  was  ok  for  african american  people  to  claim  and  be  afforded  the  right  to  have  the  same  kind  of  elaborate  funded  centers  built  for  them  as  what  has  been  granted  and  afforded  the  dispersed  Jewish  people .  ?  Do  they  fear  you  may  ask  that  question  ?  and  it  may  cost  them  something ?  u  know  even  in  Bible  phrophecy  their  is  in  truth  and in   fact  a  fullfillment  of  the  phrophecy  of  restitution  ,    so  why  is  it  that  the  african american  seemingly  is  left  out   ?   u  see  the  double  standard  is  in  more  than  just  a  word  ,  it  is  as  well  in  "deed"  and  indeed  the  black  people  have  the  free  right  to  have  a  forum  to  determine  and  discuss   that  .  No  other  race  was  ever  denied  the  right  ,  so  why  would  the  african  american  not  have  the  right ,  Is  it  that  their  is  a  fear  that  the  people  will  ask  ,  and  as  a  result   it  will  be  founded   finally  after  all  the  history , that  they  do  in  truth  have  the  same   "FREE RIGHT"   .  Just  give  the  african  americans  the  SAME  free  right  as  you  do   other  persecuted  and  dispersed  displaced  races  of  people .  After  all  its  not  like  the  man  was  makeing  it  up  when  he  said  "  the  black  people  were  not  granted or  given  a  choice"   thats  a  true  statement   .  so  in  truth   they  as  well   should  have  a  forum  for  discussion  on  understanding  ,  that  is  not  to  much  to  ask  for  ,  and  as  well  it  is  not  to  much  for  the  people  to  have  the  afforded  opportunity   to  speak  their  heart  about  it  ,  and  exspect  compassion  understanding  and  cooperation  . 
 
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September 18, 2008, 7:36 am PDT

09/12 The N-Word Debate

Quote From: rharkcom

Let's start off by saying that Paul Mooney was an absolute idiot on that show and he is more rascist then any white person I have met.  As mentioned by many people already, most blacks or more rascist then white people.

Rascism will NEVER go away because the blacks are going to keep it here, they feed off of it and they love the drama.  Yes, we say just let it go...trust me...they won't! 

 

I hate the word African-American!  No black person in this country should be called an African-American unless he was born in Africa and moved to the U.S. at some point.  My ancestors are Irish...I am not running around screaming I am Irish-American.  I am a white American!!!  We should be ALL called Americans and be done with it and quit making that division between race.  For instance, as harmless as it sounds...when you see on the news or when you watch the olympics and you hear, "Joe Smith" was the first African-American to get a medal in any swimming event.  Right there is causing division and keeping rascism around!!!  WHO CARES....we are all Americans, if you were born inthis country!!

 

Then Hill made a comment about BET....that it was owned by some other company...whatever...that wasn't the point dummy!  The point is that if there was White Entertainment Television (WET) then it would be rascist, and if we had award shows for white people only it would be rascist. 

 

I heard that McCain was on the view the other morning and Whoopi made a comment, and asked McCain if he becomes president if he will make blacks slaves again.....WHAT...WTF???

 

I could go on forever with this issue, blacks bring it on themselves.  I will close with this though.  I was born and raised in a small town in Pennsylvania, and our area was 100% white.  I didn't know about rascism then becuase it wasn't talked about.  My first experience with black people was when I joined the military in 1992.  I am still in the military and have some great friends that are black.  I moved to Norfolk Virginia and have become....well I wouldn't say rascist, but I would say very cautious or skeptical of my surroundings.  Blacks wonder why they are treated different....all I can say is watch the news here in Norfolk for a week or two and travel through Norfolk and see what I see.  You will see nothing but blacks on the news killing people, robberies...etc.  Then you will have your occassional white guy on there that got caught stealing a catalytic converter probably for some drug money.  I am not saying that all the white people here are good and innocent, because they are not.  BUT DAMN.....we could be better off in this city if have these thugs would just disappear.  Then you have idiots like Al Sharpton that is NOT helping the blacks one bit.  I tell you Mr. Sharpton...come to Norfolk Virginia and see how your race acts and preach to these thugs that it ISN'T hard to just do the right thing each day and go one day without breaking any laws!

 

I'm off my soap box!  People just need to realize where the rascism is really coming from and where it starts.  Rascim is NEVER going away!!!  The blacks will keep it here forever and half of them don't even now how to spell slavery!

I am delighted at your posting. It is absolutely hilarious to hear you refer to, New York Times best selling author Hill Harper as a dummy. Your lack of critical thinking abilities are revealed in the fact you were unable to connect his comment to the claim of racial division by Blacks.

 

Let me try to explain it to you

 

 BET is owned by VIACOM,

VIACOM is not a fictitious group of Black mililitants bent on dividing the races

VIACOM owns many white programming ( the  Dr. Phil show and CSI)

VIACOM has created this illusion of Black programming for marketing and profit purposes

Hence, this is not an action on behalf of the Black community to maintain division of the races

 

Next, you demonstrate your stupidity with your comments on White Entertainment Television. Blacks are a historically marginilized group. Part of the task of uplifttment must include an acknowledgement of our contributions (to art, literature, etc) that have long went unrecognized. Whites have always been the majority in this country, therefore, there is no need to highlight the fact that works are geared toward them. Check the inclusion of Black characters on television; every channel is White Entertainment Television. Check the inclusion of Black authors in the American cannon; that's why African-American literature is necesarry.

 

I could go on, but I think this is all you can handle for now!

 
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September 18, 2008, 7:40 am PDT

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Quote From: lazinda

Dr.Phil  I am a loyal viewer of your and was very disturbed by your viewing of this show.  While you stood to the side and let some very militant blacks run rampant on your stage.  To view something this racially one sided at this time I find strangely unfortunate and I wonder about your reason.  Was there an attempt to make whites afraid of blacks.  If not than you failed because that is exactly what  you did.  You could have found reasonable blacks and whites to discuss this but instead you aired extreme militants.  This close to a historic election I wonder about your motives.  Your credibility took a direct hit with this one.  Remove me from your list I am no longer a viewer.

  

Dr. Phil handled this controversial topic in an extemely professional and responsible manner. The panel was accurately representative of the Black community, the group who is most affected by this topic. Mooney was certainly outspoken adamant, but Hill Harper never raised his voice and contributed research-based facts. Al Sharpton offered a great prespective from the legal standpoint. And Cheryl Undrewood consistently underscored her views with relatable humaor that helped to maintain a comfortable mood.

 

You may be confusing militantancy with honesty; in that aspect you're right. Being forced to anlayze one's biases and contribution a state of inhumanity is scary!!

 
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September 18, 2008, 8:11 am PDT

im rachel from the show

Quote From: rharkcom

I understand 100% with what you said.  Let's just say Obama wins, and there is now a black man holding the highest position in the country.  Is it going to change anything?  Do blacks think they are going to reap all the benefits from this somehow?  I don't get it, I really can't see anything changing.  But cheaper gas prices would make us all happier....lol

Honesty I hope blacks can reap the benefits. Think about it, they are asking for equal rights thats not asking allot, you know.  I thought the same way as you not too long ago, you seem like you have the potential to understand people if you want to as I do. I looked so stupid. How could I think that I could stand on stage as a white women and say I say the N word but I'm not racist, that is a double standard in itself. I had to stop and think, "why didn't they believe me when I was being honest". Then I realized had I got up there and said, "I think its wrong to say the word and disrespect people like that", had I said that then I would not have had to say "I'm not racist" it would have shown. If a white person has to say "I'm not racist but" then they should wonder what it is they are going to say that sounds racist that they feel the need to clarify that first. I know this really is off the topic of the president thing we were just talking about but I had to address you a little more because I believe that you are not a racist and should continue to ask questions as you are because you will learn so much. Let me tell you what benefits you will reap by learning more, you will feel so much better about yourself. I don't know anything really about how you feel about blacks as this is the only post I read of yours so far. I am making an assumption based on the way you choose your words. Maybe i am way off. If so I apologize. I just get the feeling you are not racist and I hope you do keep asking questions. and also ask yourself if you really do like Obama in your heart and if you kinda don't like the fact that the black race will "get their way". If the answer is yes to both them I'm guessing in your heart you like blacks but your programed to think negative about them. You really should try to go with your heart and reprogram your thinking as I have. You will feel good about it. I guess I would be upset if they were voting for Obama based on his skin color and Obama was saying he intends to raise gas prices and make the economy worse, then I would be angry. However Obama does seems like he could be a great president. I do hope everyone tries to focus on who is more qualified though.
 
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September 18, 2008, 8:14 am PDT

Children Do live what they learn

Quote From: cillysue

I am 61 years ol, grew up in the suburbs of Los Angeles and never experienced racisim.  I wasn't taught it, I just never knew about it.  I learned about it when I married a militarty man and lived all over the place.  When I learned that a friend of mine from Florida would not get on a bus if the driver was black, it made me laugh.  I have never heard of anything so ridiculous.  Then my black neighbors told me what they had gone thorough when growing up, couldn't try on clothes they wanted to buy, etc.  I was mad.  I know my mind, and If I had been born black and lived in their area I would be dead.  Now I am a very proud and happy gramma of a black grandson and he considers himswelf black.  I try to teach him all I can about his history, try to keep him from going into the gangs (white or black or hispanic, asian).  I want him to carry himself with pride, be smart, make the right choices and tell him how it is.  He has a great sense of humor, manners, and he does not even think about "what" his friends are.  I see lots of people looking at him then looking at me and I know it is because he is so handsome, how could it possibly be anything else?

 

Children live what they learn.

This is so true. I see my mixed children growing and they will learn to show no discrimination. They deeply love both sides of their family and treat both equally. But what are you going to do when your grandson comes to you and he feels that someone treated him different because of his race? You cannot act as though it doesn't happen. You have to prepare yourself for that. You may tell him not to worry that he is a handsome young intelligent man. He will live that. and his character will be defined on how he reacts. But in this world it will happen. A black person may learn that his mother or father is white and think that he is not black enough. I personally would have nothing to do with that person again. But he has to decide to live on and not let ignorance hold him back. I am not saying that black people need to move on. But you have to decide are you going to let ignorant or racist people hold you back. I will teach my children to hold no hate in their heart for anyone but I know that they will Have to face racism in their lives.
 
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September 18, 2008, 8:43 am PDT

Just my thoughts

I am a white woman and have read several of the posts after just watching the show.  I'm not sure what the man's name was on the panel but he was the one with the black hat who got into a yelling match with the white woman and the mexican.  I feel that the way he reacted is the same way the media portrays many black people as being white haters ie: it happened because I'm black.  I grew up in a poor neighborhood with whites, blacks, hispanics, and the like.  I've had several meaningful relationships with different races, whether it be for friendship or simply a work relationship.  I have never been treated as different from any of the black people I know.  I have experienced what I consider racism from black people I didn't know during certain social gatherings by actually being told that white people don't belong there and shouldn't be partaking.  I think it's a terrible thing that ANYBODY should feel uncomfortable, fear, or different because their skin is a different color.  My father was racist and didn't like the fact that I had black friends.  He even went as far as telling me one time that the reason I liked black people was because I got a day off from school because of them (Martin Luther King day back then).  I couldn't believe my ears when he said this to me, it was the first time I truly realized how ignorant people really can be.  I also cannot imagine how terrible it must have been for black people going through slavery.  I can't even fathom it.  But on the same note, I myself have always respected PEOPLE no matter what they looked like or where they came from and I think it's long overdue for both blacks and whites to live the same way.  That obviously isn't  happening, so my question is....what can we do to change it? 
 

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September 18, 2008, 8:44 am PDT

Not I

Quote From: rharkcom

How many Blacks do you think are going to vote for Obama clearly because he is Black?  I can tell you right now Black people that have never even cared to vote will walk in on election day and vote for Obama, the sad thing about this is that they are voting for him for the color of his skin and they can't even name off one of his views or what he is calling "CHANGE".  Do you think that is racism?   I do!  How many black Republicans are now going to vote Democrat because of Obama.  Plenty!  Do you think that is a form of racism?  I do!

       Obama is a symbol. The hope is that Obama will bring equality, and I have no problem with that. The problem is if there's major problems should Obama fail to become elected; there's no one else but the Senate to blame. The Electorial College is through the Senate. Al Gore won the popular vote, but he lost in the Electorial College. The superdelegates of the Democratic Party is very similar to the Electorial College with one exception. Not all State's allow their Electorial College representative to vote against popular vote, but some representatives can. So, no I would not define that as racism. Everyone needs their symbols.

 

      I won't speak for all areas, but there's already enough problems without attaching racism into it that whomever becomes President and those who represent us in the House and Senate are expected to deal with it.

      Economics is a major link between finances and employment.  In my area, the demand for work is there, but the supply isn't. Many jobs in my area are capped at capacity, and most of them had to reduce the number of employees to remain afloat at minimum wage. If they hadn't, more bussinesses would either close their doors or close their local branches. Many people looking for employment are now looking for work greater distances away, and gas prices makes that nearly impossible. Do I cut my rent? Utilities which includes electricity? Car Insurance? Food? Gas budget? Not an easy situation to fix is it.

     I expect whoever becomes President to encourage employment opportunities to my area. I expect the future President to reduce the gas prices even if the President has to issue an order to fix gas prices at a fixed price depending on the area; it would still be better than allowing the oil companies and gas stations from exploiting the constant flexuating gas prices.

 
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