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Topic : 09/12 The N-Word Debate

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Created on : Thursday, September 04, 2008, 12:16:52 pm
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This two-syllable expression is arguably the most divisive word in society. Dr. Phil tackles this touchy topic with help from a panel of outspoken luminaries: civil rights activist Rev. Al Sharpton; legendary comedian and writer Paul Mooney; CSI actor and author Hill Harper; comedian Sheryl Underwood and conservative radio talk show host Michael Graham. First, is there a double standard that allows African-Americans to use this sensitive word, while non-blacks are forbidden? The debate heats up when Rachel, a white guest, says she calls her husband the N-word all the time. Then, should hip-hop artists be censored or fined for using the N-word in their songs? Becky says rappers promote negative stereotypes with their lyrics, but find out who Rev. Al Sharpton thinks should face the music. Plus, does tone or intent make a difference when using the N-word? See what Dr. Phil thinks and share your thoughts here.

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September 18, 2008, 11:43 am PDT

im rachel from the show

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I think it's also important to examine the fact that there will be a lot of white people who will refuse to vote for Barack because of the color of his skin. So I think for the blacks that will vote for him just because he's black there'll be a lot of whites who will vote for McCain just because he's not... I've even heard people say that they won't vote for Obama because he'll probably get assassinated so why waste the vote for someone who won't be in office long anyway. It amazes me the stupidity that comes out of people's mouths sometimes... especially in the South :/
Your right about that I'm sure there will be whites that wont vote for Obama because he is black but I must say I know allot o people (whites) both racist and not, about 95% of them are voting for Obama ( the ones I talk to). Whites can be racist this is true but I have to say when it comes to the economy and getting out of this recession and making more jobs and lowering gas prices they are more concerned with that so much so that they will vote based on who is going to make that happen. I do know a few racist whites that is voting for Obama regardless of his skin color. When I say whites I am only referring to the ones I know. The whites I know are putting aside their differences to vote for who is going to help our economy most. Obama has most of the white votes. I have heard people say that as well that" why vote for Obama when he is going to be assassinated anyhow" and as far as those people who say that they are simply people that want to feel like they are adding an intelligent statement to the conversation. Not knowing how ignorant it is to say. Oh let me add that when I am trying to explain something to a white person as I did in the post your referring to, I know it will do no good to say "well white people will do that to, they will vote for McCain because he is white" that would have fallen on def ears. We cant understand each other by fireing back like a kid would. I wanted to help her understand and you cant make a person understand by arguing. That is the reason I didn't feel the need to add that to her. She already knows that and it would have created an argument because it displays a defensive response.Had I been speaking to everyone in that post I may have pointed that out.  I just wish everyone to vote colorblind because what happens to the economy affects us all.
 
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September 18, 2008, 11:44 am PDT

Thinking Caps

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tht is true sold by blacks to the whites and paid for it in times of famine an poverty...a starving man will do anything for a 5 course meal....so know your history and think first....
I'm not on board with the negative tone of the post you quoted in your reply but I have my thinking cap on and in what space and time does it make it okay that any person sells another person for WHATEVER reason?  I'm sorry but every race and culture in history is guilty of human sales and enslavement and there is no justification that can be made and especially one that removes ownership and accountability.  All involved are accountable less the person who was themselves sold and enslaved.
 
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September 18, 2008, 11:47 am PDT

im the one mooney told to shut up (rachel)

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I am a white woman and have read several of the posts after just watching the show.  I'm not sure what the man's name was on the panel but he was the one with the black hat who got into a yelling match with the white woman and the mexican.  I feel that the way he reacted is the same way the media portrays many black people as being white haters ie: it happened because I'm black.  I grew up in a poor neighborhood with whites, blacks, hispanics, and the like.  I've had several meaningful relationships with different races, whether it be for friendship or simply a work relationship.  I have never been treated as different from any of the black people I know.  I have experienced what I consider racism from black people I didn't know during certain social gatherings by actually being told that white people don't belong there and shouldn't be partaking.  I think it's a terrible thing that ANYBODY should feel uncomfortable, fear, or different because their skin is a different color.  My father was racist and didn't like the fact that I had black friends.  He even went as far as telling me one time that the reason I liked black people was because I got a day off from school because of them (Martin Luther King day back then).  I couldn't believe my ears when he said this to me, it was the first time I truly realized how ignorant people really can be.  I also cannot imagine how terrible it must have been for black people going through slavery.  I can't even fathom it.  But on the same note, I myself have always respected PEOPLE no matter what they looked like or where they came from and I think it's long overdue for both blacks and whites to live the same way.  That obviously isn't  happening, so my question is....what can we do to change it? 
"what can we do to change it" you just took the first step in asking that question.
 
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September 18, 2008, 11:51 am PDT

im rachel from the show

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http://www.africaeconomicanalysis.org/articles/gen/slavehtm.html

 

Again, slavery is a human problem and not specific to 'whites'.

 

This isn't a defense, y'know.  It's just fact.  It's happened for centuries and isn't unique to blacks and whites - not by a long shot.  It's wrong.  The point is that 'pointing fingers' is not motivating education, understanding, or empahy.  To point fingers and label is to be as guilty of that which you despise.  Racism.

The response to the first post is well put.
 
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September 18, 2008, 12:04 pm PDT

Inappropiate

It is a inappropiate word to use in any statement or sentence.
 
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September 18, 2008, 12:16 pm PDT

OK, here's my question:

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I loved this episode.  I love this topic and I hope you do a part 2. I love Paul Mooney and love that he speaks his mind no matter who is around. It frustrates me when people don't understand how real racism is and how it still exists. It frustrates me because it seems that  many white people form opinions about black people and black issues, yet they do not ask questions that would help them to better understand black people or black issues.  This tells me that they do not care to know and do not care to learn about black people. I love race. I love all races. I have friends of all races, yet I do not pretend to have in depth knowledge of any race besides my own (African American). I ask questions when I want to know more and I think people who do not understand black people or a "Black way of thinking" should do the same.  Peace and Love and please do a part 2.
Hi Aaron, I have a question that's bothered me for decades. When I first got out of high school in the summer before starting college I got a job with AT&T in Harvey, Illinois, a city south of Chicago with a larger than average percentage of black residents. This was back in the 60s when segregation was a lot stronger than it is now.


The bosses were 2 white men but all the other (30 or so) employees were female. There was one older black woman and the rest of us female employees were of various ages. There were a few others my age but I just didn't find anything in common with them so only joined them going for lunch a couple of times. Then we got a new addition to the staff who was there as a summer intern before returning to college. Her name was Mary and she was black and we hit it off immediately and started going for lunch together every day and spending most of our breaks together just talking about all kinds of things. It was apparent to everyone that we were becoming friends. We got lots of stares when we went to restaurants for lunch together, probably because Mary was black and I had naturally flaming red hair hair and my skin was therefore almost neon white. People back then just weren't used to seeing that.


As the summer went on and we continued spending our free time from work together, Mary told me that the older black woman had taken Mary aside and told her to stop spending time with me. I asked Mary why but I never really got an answer. Can you, with your better understanding, help me to understand what may have transpired?


I think it's a shame to judge a person by their wrapper but I suppose it's human nature to oversimplify by sorting that way. Hopefully we will someday evolve past that.
 
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September 18, 2008, 12:25 pm PDT

THE N WORD

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I too have often thought this.  I personally think the N word is a terrible word and should not be used by any race.  I have even asked a couple of my african-american friends why it is o.k. for them to refer to each with N word; however, if any other race uses it, offense is taken to it.  I was informed that it is another slang word that they use like "bro", "brother", etc.  I just think the N word really causes too much trouble and forms an unnecessary division among races.  So in that, I must ask myself who is actually causing the division?!

THE DIVISION WAS CAUSED LONG AGO! I PERSONAALY DON'T USE THE N WORD. I"M NOT COMFORTABLE USING THE WORD AND I USE TO BE OFFENDED BY HEARING IT FROM MY PEOPLE AS WELL BUT, I UNDERSTAND WHY THEY TOOK CONTROL OVER THE WORD.

NOTICE TO ALL WHITE PEOPLE "CONTINUE TO USE IT IN THE COMFORT OF YOUR OWN HOME! DON'T EVER THINK YOU WOULD GET AWAY WITH IT TO OUR FACE!!!!!!!! ACCEPT THE DIFFERENCE!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

 

 
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September 18, 2008, 12:42 pm PDT

im rachel from the show

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      That makes sense. I'm curious where the line is drawn. If there is an Irish Channel, would it be offensive for such a channel to exist?

are you seriously going to argue just because they have their own channel. That is such a waste of time. Turn the channels on your TV and get back to us as to how many whites you see and how many blacks with in 20 channels or so. Just because we don't name them WET doesn't make it any more OK.
 
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September 18, 2008, 12:45 pm PDT

Well

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This is what I am confused about. And I am simply inquiring. I do notice that whites dominate the television. Viacom bought BET. BET was started by blacks. If blacks had the power to create BET and get a show on TV just for them then why don't they have the power to be an equal race on TV? So as I see it Viacom comes along and buys BET from the black folks who created it, why would they sell their all black show to a white owned company? Why would they let a white man be the dominate of the show they created. They had the power, they owned the show, why sell it to Via com?  I'm wondering how blacks had the power to create their own show like BET but not have the power to be on any channel they want as much as whites? What  am I missing here? Also I think blacks could really make the white race think hard, when they do get their own shows that they make a balance of blacks and whites on their shows and set an example of how we as whites should be. It seems when a black man get a show it is an all black one with a sprinkle of white (if any at all). Its almost like you do what you complain is done to you. Like Fresh Prince for instance, Will Smith was the star of the show. I'm sure he had the power to add equal races on his show. Or is it that blacks want to be equal on TV to whites but not with whites. Oh I think I get it. Blacks want equal races on TV. Like flip a channel and see a white show then flip and channel and see a black show and so on, is that correct? I was thinking more of like shows with blacks and white in it together. Maybe I want more then the blacks lol. To me equality and looking at people without seeing color means sharing the same show on the same channel. Just trying to understand. Sorry if I confused anyone, and these are questions not at all statements. Do not take offense I am not suggesting anything. I want to learn is all.
Well I think the main reason that BET was sold was purely a business deal. If you ever watched BET before Viacom bought them you could tell it was sort of low budget. But I think that the reason there isn't a lot of black programming is because it just wouldn't succeed. If you ever notice when shows like Girlfriends, Martin, Living Single, One on One... when they do come on TV it's at like 2am on the major networks. At least that how it is in my area. There's just not the market for it because there's just some white people who just don't want to see it. I've even talked to some of my friends who say those shows weren't "meant for them." It's really weird because some of them are really funny and relatable to anyone...

And the Fresh Prince example... it was centered on a family of which all the members were black and the kids dated other black kids so I mean that's why there weren't very many whites on the show. The only whites were like supporting characters or guest characters. But there are some shows that do have equal mixes of characters... I love Scrubs and they're well okay they're like 30/70 black to white but who cares it's hilarious. I just realized all my favorite shows don't have a mix it's one or the other.... My favorite is Gilmore Girls and there aren't any black characters... wow. Well there's an asian girl.

Anywho it would be call to have a show with a mix of races because that's my life. My husbands white, my best friend who was the maid of honor in my wedding is Mexican and moved here when she was about 11. When my friends and I get together we make fun saying that we look like one of those cheesy inspirational posters you see in highschool that are like "Diversity is Dynamite!" Anyway I rambled, sorry :)
 
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September 18, 2008, 12:51 pm PDT

hmm

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      That makes sense. I'm curious where the line is drawn. If there is an Irish Channel, would it be offensive for such a channel to exist?

I don't think so at all. I actually was a huge fan of PBS when I was like 12 and Riverdance was popular haha. I think it'd be cool to see all types of different programs that centered on different heritages. That's why I love my friends when I got married in July my maid of honor was Mexican so I got to learn about some traditions they do their when they get married and also got some input from an Asian friend and since I'm non-denominational it was even cool learning about some of the Catholic traditions too. It was pretty cool being able to learn about different heritages. And actually if I'm not mistaken NatGeo does a month like that where they do different cultures every night during the summer. Too bad it's only for a month :(
 
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