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Topic : 09/12 The N-Word Debate

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This two-syllable expression is arguably the most divisive word in society. Dr. Phil tackles this touchy topic with help from a panel of outspoken luminaries: civil rights activist Rev. Al Sharpton; legendary comedian and writer Paul Mooney; CSI actor and author Hill Harper; comedian Sheryl Underwood and conservative radio talk show host Michael Graham. First, is there a double standard that allows African-Americans to use this sensitive word, while non-blacks are forbidden? The debate heats up when Rachel, a white guest, says she calls her husband the N-word all the time. Then, should hip-hop artists be censored or fined for using the N-word in their songs? Becky says rappers promote negative stereotypes with their lyrics, but find out who Rev. Al Sharpton thinks should face the music. Plus, does tone or intent make a difference when using the N-word? See what Dr. Phil thinks and share your thoughts here.

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September 20, 2008, 12:02 am PDT

09/12 The N-Word Debate

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                      How do you know there are more Blacks on welfare than Whites?

there aren't more black people on welfare than white people, there are more white people in the United States than black people, so that being said there are more white poeple living in proverty than black people, so for whom ever said there are more black people on welfare than white people, if you don't believe me take a socialogy class and see for yourself.
 

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September 20, 2008, 12:46 am PDT

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I feel pretty upset after watching this episode. I feel Paul Mooney was beyond racist to every other race besides his own. He made himself look ignorant. I feel like the N-word is in a sense like saying the word "hepher". You don't call a large or obese person a "hepher"! But I have walked up to a group of friends and was like "What's up Hephers?!" I am not doing it to insult them, i'm doing it as a joke. I feel it can be all in good fun, depending on who you are with and what your intentions are. I feel the arguement over this word is funny because Black people say how horrible it is and then use it themselves. I know racism is still around, but it's no where near what it was 50 years ago. To be honest, it seems like nowadays things are harder on the White people because all other races are saying how racist we are. If a White child gets a scholarship then a Black  person will complain that whoever gave that scholarship was being racist. Nowadays, they have scholarships just for being a certain race. My niece, a 4.3 GPA student who is a cheerleader and was on her schools volleyball team, takes all kinds of AP and honors classes. She can not even rely on a scholarship. I'm tired of hearing about how Black people feel they are looked at differently. Sure SOME people may be ignorant and not realize a person is a person because of their own ignorant behavior. But atleast where I live....for me... race is nothing. A person is a person and it doesn't matter the color of your skin. I'm tired of always hearing how racist White people are. I am not racist by any means, i have friends of all races and nationalities and it's frustrating hearing how "horrible" people of other races look and perceive White people.  I think people should be judged as individuals.
 
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September 20, 2008, 1:11 am PDT

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First I must thank Dr. Phil or whomever had these guests on and next I apologize to anyone who may be offended by my views on this topic. I would not normally watch the Dr. Phil show, but because of the outrageousness of one of his guests, Paul Mooney, I was fixated on it. This is not to say I was enjoying it, Paul Mooney is a pitiful man, that does not deserve to promote his opinions on national television. I will deal with that at the end of my message. Let's look back in history, the N-word was created just like any other derogatory word, to demean and crush those that it would be used on. But why does this word have such a strong effect on everyone? Should it? Does "deigo," "chink," or "cracker" have such an impact? (No one is trying to stop the saying of these words, so explain to me that.) In America I don't think it does, but I do believe it should. They are all meant to do the same thing. I believe that the African Americans that were on the show were a little biased, but of course this is a show, and is meant to capture viewers. The only African American on stage that seemed to be competent enough to actually discuss the topic was Hill, and the only one with unbiased and intellectual knowledge. Paul still thinks he is slave and the woman whose name, I apologize, I do not recall, is just too vulgar to have an adequate opinion. To finish my opinion on the N-word, it is part of our history and part of the present, murder was outlawed a long time ago, the N-word is not going away. I do not think it should be used but it can not be erased either. Should we remove other words from the dictionary or from our vocabulary that may or may not offend people, why don't we just outlaw all of them and avoid the entire problem? I don't think it should be said, but when it is said it should not be taken so hard, if it is, it is feeding off of your response to it, that is not to say it should be taken lightly, but by becoming as defensive as Paul Mooney is giving it the power to hurt. I recently took a vacation to Tanzania, over the summer in fact, and no one in Africa seems to care, are they, the African Africans, more emotionally advanced than African Americans? Another interesting thing I have come to notice is, many African Americans believe they are owed something because of slavery, you aren't, but the country seems to think so by providing many benefits to minorities to "prove" that racial bias is not occurring. The ones who deserved something sadly either didn't live to see the outcome of the Civil War and lived in slavery their whole lives or they received a gratuity because of it. I am American Indian, and the entirety of the land my ancestors possessed was raped of what it had, I do not believe I am owed anything because I am Cherokee, I did not walk down the Trail of Tears in shackles and so as did no African American living today live as a slave. Do I think what the past US government did apologetically to the American Indians was sufficient, no, but I have no say, "I was not one of them." I also came to understand this, did you know that more than 1/2 of the slaves that came from Africa went East, and that of the, oh lets even call it 1/2, that went West, and of that about 1/4 reached what is now US soil? Also, that many of the slaves that were either traded or sold, were being done so by their own people. Tribe leaders would sell their own people! Now I am not trying to cover the pretentious Caucasians who thought it would be okay to do the same thing, but in America the whole truth is not making it to the people. Now on to Paul Mooney and his looney position. Directly to Paul, you are not a slave, no slave ever wore a black bejeweled hat with fake diamonds on it, I know that much. You are not someone that should be taken seriously, you are more like an angry comedian, someone entertaining to listen to, but once to you leave you only remember the best punch lines. In this case you had no good punch lines and no good opinions except to make yourself and what was intended to be an insightful, conversive, mind opening talk about a hateful word, a joke. You want everyone to respect you and your people, take a lesson from Hill, and show some respect for others, if  you live in the barn of some "white man's" ranch, "tillin the crops and pickin the cotton," "because you are a slave." Realize this, the US is a free country as your rhetoric and your peer's rhetoric showed on the Dr. Phil show, and if it is so bad here in the United States, go back to Africa, you know what, just take a visit back, two weeks like I spent in Tanzania, go on a Safari or two like I did, then take a good look at Africa, and decide whether you would rather be there, or here. No one is stopping you, that is because you aren't a slave. (By the way, I guarantee you no one will be wearing a bejeweled hat.)

 
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September 20, 2008, 1:20 am PDT

1/2 Correct

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You cannot ban the N word as is, it exists and will exists in the future. There is no possible way to prevent that you can stop everyone from using it. As a person you can separate your self from the people who use it and say you don't hear it any more and it doesn't exist in your world, but back to the real world people are using it and there is no way you can stop it. If that word becomes a hate crime you might as well kiss our freedom of speech good bye. But if that word gets banned all the other bad words for other races should be banned as well. I use that word with my friends and in front of them. and I have not said it in a racist way. But we all have a little racism within our selves its natural to not like someone and sometimes its someone from another race. I would consider you a liar if you said you were never ever racist in your life or had a racist thought. We are all human its normal to make mistakes we are not perfect as is but one thing is for sure, the words are already made its up to the person who decides to use them; how to use them, when to use them and in what intent.

I agree with you on the first half of your argument, the N-word will always exist. Though, the second half of your argument is incorrect and can be proven wrong. Being racist is not natural. Racism is taking a hurtful act on someone because of there race, I am not racist. You may be discriminate, and not be racist. I like to say that I am not racist, I hate all people equally, but this is only meant to incur laughs. Babies are not racist, so therefore it is not natural, we are corrupted by society, turning us into a prejudice people, but becoming racist is up to us. Try and actually put an intellectual thought into something so important.

 
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September 20, 2008, 1:23 am PDT

Agreed

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Americans have come a long way with regard to race.  I believe that a majority of Americans would drink after, use the restroom after, sit by, buy from, sell too, enroll, hire, work for, and befriend an individual of a different race.   In early America a white person and a black person could not even use the same bathroom, drink from the same drinking fountain, or swim in the same pool.  White people forced black people to the back of the bus. This was true racism.  Honest to goodness you are not allowed to eat here because you are black racism.   The term racism, however, has been perverted into a retarded hybrid of its former meaning.  In today's society a  person opposing affirmative action can be labeled a racist by someone who agrees with the plan.   Affirmative action is a policy argument which has very little bearing on a person's individual feelings regarding race.  The term racism gets tossed around so much that it distracts from the minority of real race issues that are still prevalent in small cross sections of the United States.

Mr. Mooney is clearly angry with what he termed "White America."  He wants his pain validated.  He does not want to be told that he is wrong and that he needs to "move on."  Why should he, his pain is real.  However, that is no excuse for his anger with so-called "White America"    Terming whites into this "White America"  clearly lumps every white person in America into a group with a negative conotation.  Is this not the same generalization Mr. Mooney claims "White America"  is doing to Black America?  It is intellectually dishonest.  I have no doubt, given Mr. Mooney's age, that he has experienced his fair share of ignorance from white individuals.  Therefore, as I stated earlier, his pain is justified.  However,  at some point Mr. Mooney has to acknowledge that race relations have come a long way in America in the last twenty years.   It is also wrong for Mr. Mooney to view "White America" as the enemy based on his personal experience.   At some point, Mr. Mooney has to forgive and treat everyone as equal and the same.  Otherwise, this  ignorance only perpetuates itself from one generation to the next.
I couldn't have said it better myself.
 

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September 20, 2008, 7:32 am PDT

It's ok

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ohhhh Im sorry I understand where you are comming from now. My fault. The panel did say they did not want no one to say the word and yet they did react harsher to myself. They judged me as a white women not realizing my third great grandfather was a black slave. I tried to ask them given that fact if I it makes a differnce in how they feel about me using the word but they did not hear me because the Mexican girl was yelling too loud. Anyhow they dont want whites to use it because its offensive to them for obvious reasons. They dont want blacks to use it because in doing so they infuluence whites to think its ok to say it. So they would prefer it not said at all. That is what the panel was saying. I must say after spending time trying to understand I now have a change of heart and wont use the word. I never used it in public or toward a black person anyhow so its not like im giving up something I "have" to say, you know.  Anyhow I hope I answered your question, sorry I took you the wrong way.
    It's ok. I sometimes don't get my ideas across properly. I'm notorious for doing that...
 
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September 20, 2008, 8:01 am PDT

I agree

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I think the N-word should be treated the same as the F-word. They are bad for everyone. No one should use them. There is no reason to use them. They just hurt .

I am not an africanamerican, but I am offended when I hear the "N word" used even if it isn't used towards me.  The "N word" should be treated as the "F word" and never used.  It should never be placed in a history book for former words.  It should just be a forgotten word.

I am offended by the woman from the audience who said, "They should just get over it".  She should know how AfricanAmericans feel, after all women are disgriminated against all the time, just like AfricanAmericans. No, they were not born into slavery, but their distant relatives were.  And they were treated like they had some sort of disease of some kind, because they were only allowed to use public restrooms labled only for colored people, they were only allowed to drink out of drinking fountains just for their race, they were not treated equal at all.  Even ten years ago, I remember if an AfricanAmerican were to walk into a store that was filled with white people, the AfricanAmerican would get starred at as if they were holdhing a gun and robbing the store.

I live in Michigan, and as a child I was never allow any where near South of 8 mile because my parents were very against AfricanAmericans.  Even now, before I moved back home to Michigan with my two sons, my sister called to warn me that her accross the street neighbors were black.  I thought to myself, how sad my sister felt the need to tell me her accross the street neighbors were black.  I told her that they were her neighbors and it didn't matter what they were, including homosexuals.  We are Americans, and we need to stop giving each other lables and just refer to one another as just Americans.

 

 
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September 20, 2008, 8:50 am PDT

Epistemic Privilege

The 'double standard' that allows African American people to use this word is called epistemic privilege - the right of a group in society to define itself in terms it finds acceptable, whether other groups or the dominant society object or not. Why Dr. Phil chose to spend an entire episode on this topic is beyond my understanding; it changes nothing.

I'm a white male that finds the word evocative of a time when African American people were shunned, spat upon and enslaved, but I can't change how some choose to define themselves and each other. I will continue to love without prejudice; that's all I can do.
 
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September 20, 2008, 9:28 am PDT

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September 20, 2008, 9:57 am PDT

poverty

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there aren't more black people on welfare than white people, there are more white people in the United States than black people, so that being said there are more white poeple living in proverty than black people, so for whom ever said there are more black people on welfare than white people, if you don't believe me take a socialogy class and see for yourself.

Could you tell me in more detail about what your Sociology book said to make you think there are more White people living in poverty than Blacks?

 
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