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Topic : 09/12 The N-Word Debate

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This two-syllable expression is arguably the most divisive word in society. Dr. Phil tackles this touchy topic with help from a panel of outspoken luminaries: civil rights activist Rev. Al Sharpton; legendary comedian and writer Paul Mooney; CSI actor and author Hill Harper; comedian Sheryl Underwood and conservative radio talk show host Michael Graham. First, is there a double standard that allows African-Americans to use this sensitive word, while non-blacks are forbidden? The debate heats up when Rachel, a white guest, says she calls her husband the N-word all the time. Then, should hip-hop artists be censored or fined for using the N-word in their songs? Becky says rappers promote negative stereotypes with their lyrics, but find out who Rev. Al Sharpton thinks should face the music. Plus, does tone or intent make a difference when using the N-word? See what Dr. Phil thinks and share your thoughts here.

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October 10, 2008, 12:38 pm PDT

Right...get over it

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i guess it's easy to tell black people to get over it when you don't have to deal with ignorant racism and stereotypes everyday. i personally don't think white people could handle it. it is a fact that you are automatically privelaged simply because of the skin you're in...believe it or not. i am black...born and raised in a middle-upper middle class areas all my life. at one point my parent's bought a couple of acres and had a huge custom home built on it. do you know that some ignorant white person had the nerve to ask me "how did your parents get that house". of course being that we are black we are supposed to be poor and on welfare so something is clearly wrong with this picture. 

 

imagine going into a department store...again i'm black so i am automatically a theif so i have to deal with being followed around by store personnel because i am going to steal something. or you get the other extreme...sales personnel completely ignore you. one day i was at the Coach counter at Macy's, two sales people were standing there chatting. i walk up make eye contact and wait for one to ask if i needed help. they ignored me. i walked around the counter and browsed for about ten minutes just waiting to see how long it would take for them to acknowledge me. not that this matters but i was carrying a Coach bag so you would think that they would be tring to get some commission...but i never got a offer of help. then a white woman walks up and it took about half a second for her to be offered some assistance. needless to say i had a talk with the store manager. 

 

and more importantly...it's a fact that we are not on even playing fields. i have to be better and work harder to get the same job a less qualified white person will get. white people get the benefit of the doubt...we ALWAYS have to prove ourselves.

 

in closing...i will "get over it" when i start getting treated like every other tax paying american and stopped being prejudged based on the color of my skin. if you want to judge me by the car i drive, how i dress, by the way i act...fine. i have no problem with that. just don't prejudge me based on negative and ignorant stereotypes. 

 I agree.. you should get over it. You are looking for reasons to be angry instead of looking for reasons to help yourself understand that you, and only you, are responsible for... you.

 

 People judge every day. I judge people. When I am interviewing an applicant for a job and they hav tatoo's all over their forearms, that's a judgement call. Doesn't look good as a presentation and it's my JOB to find the best qualified applicant in ALL aspects, physical presentation as well. I hav, on more than one occasion, hired a black person over a white, asian, etc because they were the best choice. They were polite,well-spoken, educated, presented well..a good fit. But the point is in the real world we judge all the time. You do too. we all do. To deny it is a lie. We are not a same-based country..we are a mixture of the races, each should be proud of their own diversity. The bottom line is what are you willing to do for yourself? Again, YOU are the one who is responsible for you..your deeds and actions, but your thoughts as well. If you go around thinking everyone is "out ot get you" or you didn't get a job "because your black", then that's YOUR problem, not mine.

 

  Get over it.

 
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October 10, 2008, 12:40 pm PDT

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 I don't understand how this man gained so much fame and respect, when he rose to those by lying and perpetrating a fraud?  Why is it okay that the African Americans can spew hatred about anyone and none of them are taken to task? Did the media go balistic and criticize Kanye West after his outburst on TV after hurricaine Katrina? No, they replayed  it as a condemnation of the Bush administration?  An African American child calling a white overweight child fat is as hurtful to the white child as the "N" word to the African American. I doubt if any uproar would be made about the child being called fat.

 

 Finally, someone with Reason!

 

 Shall we say ACORN? And we're Barely hearing about it in the media..

 
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October 10, 2008, 12:48 pm PDT

IF YOU CAN SAY IT SO CAN I..

 

 

  This whole"N___r" thing has me boiling!

 

  I must hav 20 CD's (ever listen to Ludacris?) that say the word "Ni__r" over and over in them (as well as "pimpin'" and "thug", etc) and I, a white woman in her 40's, sing it at the top of my lungs.

 

 The day we start censoring what we can say, whether as "politically correct", or by governship, is the day, my friends, that we take a HUGE step backwards as far as our freedoms. This is VERY risky business, and just because Oprah wants to start a campaign to stop people from saying the word "N___r", because she doesn't like it, doesn't mean we all hav to follow suit because of her fake-y self and her billions.

 
 What about the word "B__ch" or C__t"? How far do we take this? In this pattern, one day it will be that I called you "ugly"! Get Real. The common sense approach is that people who use certain words or hav certain beliefs will not be as accepted around others who don't agree with the same. It's just natural. You just don't associate with them anymore if you chose not to...but to pubicly condemn and crucify anyone (i.e. Dog the Bounty Hunter..private conversation, illegally taped and he wasn't calling anyone the name, he said the word was used and didn't want the son's g/f flipping out over it or going to the media. Listen to the tape.) just to make ratings and the mis-representation by the greedy, sensation-seeking media and others dying to jump on the bandwagon, is beyond me. 
 
 How ridiculous does this have to get? It's a WORD! 

 If we, as whites, had a word we used amongst ourselves and didn't like blacks using it, then we'd be "racist" for excluding them that priviledge. Well, guess what? It goes both ways...you don't get to decide what I can or cannot say, as I hav the very same freedoms as you do. If you can say it, so can I, and until you decide to stop putting it on nationally selling CD's, playing over the airways, using it in your syndicated stand-up comedy routines, and other methods of cramming it down my throat, I will continue to do use it and let you know you aren't getting away with this one.  
 Lastly, I will also teach my little daughter she has every one of these same rights and not to be intimidated by the "race card", or some other exclusive hype, to diminish her rights to do exactly that as well. Blacks hav NO RIGHT to point the finger at me and say that they can do/act/think/say something, but that I can't. Period.

 Now violate my civil rights and censor that!

 
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October 10, 2008, 12:51 pm PDT

09/12 The N-Word Debate

Quote From: xlntmommy

 Paul Mooney..how pathetic..another person seeking attention who also doesn't want to take responsibility for his actions or his own life ("White people made me this way"). What would blacks say if I said something like that? Get Real.

 

 Oh, and I'd like Paul Mooney to try and tell ME to "shut up"..or try and tell me to "never say" A N Y T H I N G .

 

 

 
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October 12, 2008, 8:11 am PDT

im rachel from the show

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I know you sent that post a while ago, but I just want to say how surprised I am that you changed so much just from being on the Dr. Phil Show. It's definitely great that you changed but I am still surprised. Pleasantly surprised. Peace and Love
Well all I can say is this, blacks and whites need to respect one another and try to meet in the middle. I never ever said on T.v that it is OK to call a black a N word, never. I just admitted to the use of the word in my home, not against blacks though. Anyhow I have no problem changing if it means becoming a better person. I went on the show not just to talk but to listen and learn. Although I did not learn much from the show I met two really great guys (black) in our dressing room and behind the scenes we had a heart to heart also I learned allot from the message boards. Even though most people think the show was a waste of time, I think it started a great conversation between the two races that are the closer then any other races but just don't know it. Thanks for you comment and just know this, I still have not said the N WORD :) Peace
 

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October 12, 2008, 2:10 pm PDT

This debate encompass more than just a word

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 "ugh" all you want.. you're just stymied now because you didn't READ and thus mis-quoted my post...next time if you take a little more effort you will find yourself to be Accurate.. Speaking of accuracy, this is also supposed to the N-word thread, and not the gay/restroom thread..FYI.

 

 good luck.

 

 

     The argument is about the words implications towards another culture. The only difference from the M-Word and N-Word is the culture being referred to. Since the implications refer to the implications, the argument is much wider than just the word itself.
 
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October 13, 2008, 2:47 pm PDT

No I did not say that

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 anw1815...you said it...blacks are some of the most racist people and I am SICK to death of it being project onot us whites. Get over it already. Slavery was never existent in our lifetimes..no black person has ever been denied an education if they just go to school and make good grades...using ANY word and telling me I can't do the same is BS. Period.

I am sorry but I did not say any of that at all!! I really disagree with you.
 
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October 14, 2008, 1:14 am PDT

I have to respond........................

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i guess it's easy to tell black people to get over it when you don't have to deal with ignorant racism and stereotypes everyday. i personally don't think white people could handle it. it is a fact that you are automatically privelaged simply because of the skin you're in...believe it or not. i am black...born and raised in a middle-upper middle class areas all my life. at one point my parent's bought a couple of acres and had a huge custom home built on it. do you know that some ignorant white person had the nerve to ask me "how did your parents get that house". of course being that we are black we are supposed to be poor and on welfare so something is clearly wrong with this picture. 

 

imagine going into a department store...again i'm black so i am automatically a theif so i have to deal with being followed around by store personnel because i am going to steal something. or you get the other extreme...sales personnel completely ignore you. one day i was at the Coach counter at Macy's, two sales people were standing there chatting. i walk up make eye contact and wait for one to ask if i needed help. they ignored me. i walked around the counter and browsed for about ten minutes just waiting to see how long it would take for them to acknowledge me. not that this matters but i was carrying a Coach bag so you would think that they would be tring to get some commission...but i never got a offer of help. then a white woman walks up and it took about half a second for her to be offered some assistance. needless to say i had a talk with the store manager. 

 

and more importantly...it's a fact that we are not on even playing fields. i have to be better and work harder to get the same job a less qualified white person will get. white people get the benefit of the doubt...we ALWAYS have to prove ourselves.

 

in closing...i will "get over it" when i start getting treated like every other tax paying american and stopped being prejudged based on the color of my skin. if you want to judge me by the car i drive, how i dress, by the way i act...fine. i have no problem with that. just don't prejudge me based on negative and ignorant stereotypes. 

  I have to respond to this. I first want to state that anyone who would ask how you got your house is just an ignorant person and not worthy of your attention. There are ignorant people of all colors, this is nothing new, but I wish they would keep their mouths shut. I have to deal with ignorant people all of the time even though I am a white upper middle class woman. The only difference is the situation.

  I too have been ignored in the past from rude salespeople. Again, I am a white upper middle class woman. I happened to be in Palm Springs one day, I actually used to live there, but this is before. I had a job, plenty of money in my bank account, and bought only designer clothes. I had stopped at a little boutique to purchase a dress that I saw in the window. Because I was wearing jeans and was young, I couldn't get someone to wait on me to save my life. I finally just left the store and never went back. My father went through this all of the time also. He built golf courses for a living and at the end of the day he was dirty and a bit disheveled. So many times he could not get service to purchase anything. What the "ignorant" salespeople never knew was that he always carried about $5,000. in cash in his pocket and had thousands in his bank account. It was their loss, he took his business elsewhere. He may have looked scruffy after a days work, but he was very well paid for that work. VERY well paid!!!!!!!!

  What I have learned over the years is that I get better service by how I present myself when I am in a store. It's not right, not by any means. When I'm all "fixed" up, wearing my jewelry, better shoes, blouse, etc. I have to beat the sales clerks off with a stick. If I go in without makeup, wearing tennis shoes, and keep jewelry to a minimum, I can't get any help at all. This happens to all of us!

  I have to add another layer to this. Again, this is so wrong! But someone who is overweight will not get the same attention as someone who is slender and more attractive. This goes for jobs, salespeople, you name it! It's not fair but it is the way it is. Black people are not the only ones affected by this.

  One more thing I have to add here. I worked for a bank for several years and had been specifically trained to take over a particular position that would have been a promotion for me. I worked my butt off for that position. I had earned that position! When the day came for the announcement, I was told that it had been given to someone else from another branch instead. This man had no training at all for this position. He also happened to be a "black" man. When I asked what had happened do you know what the reply was? Because he was black! That was the whole reason! Was that fair to me? NO! But that branch had to meet a quota and I was the one who lost. I left that bank one week later.

  So in closing, I really don't see too many differences here. As I said, there will always be ignorant people out there no matter what the color of your skin is. I get judged because I have a disability now. I admit that I hate it, but I do have to rise above it. What other choice do I have?

 
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October 14, 2008, 1:28 am PDT

Obama.......................

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 Oh my Soul.. you are KIDDING me, right? The ONLY reason to vote for a candidate is because of the issues and the platform he stands for. It's absolutely INCREDULOUS thet you don't see the bare hypocrisy of your above statement. If I told ANY black person I was voting for someone "because they were whie" I'd be called "racist" in a heartbeat! Besides, Obama really offers nothing of true "change"..he is going to take our country into Socialism if we're not careful..but then, since "we" are the ones who "enslaved" you, you don't consider this "your" country do you, so what does it matter as long as the guy in the White House is black.. If you DO consider this your country then shut up already about slavery (which you've never had to endure) and your rights and the N word and start getting really Involved in legislation and true Reform..(neither of which Obama has done either, by the way) oh, and Obama also never even went to Iraq...until 6 months ago DURING his campaign..McCain has been serving his country in one capacity or another for ALL OF HIS LIFE. But he has the wrong skin color...so forget him, right? Incredible!

 

 

 

 

 

I believe that black people should be prideful that a black man has finally been recognized for his ability to run this country just as well (or better) than a white man. But, that is by no means a reason to vote for him. I certainly don't plan on voting for McCain because he's a white man! (and I am white) I will vote for the man who I feel is best for the job, no matter what the color of his skin is. This is no different than women who plan on voting for McCain because Palin is a woman, and they believe that it's time that a woman was in office. Doesn't it matter at all that she has no experience? If McCain were to pass during his presidency, we would be left with a soccer mom running this country. This job is for the most qualified individuals only. Anyone who votes for any other reason than that needs to put their head on straight!
 
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October 14, 2008, 1:30 am PDT

Public Restrooms

How in the heck did public restrooms get into this topic? Since segregated restrooms are a thing of the past, where does this subject fit in?
 
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