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Are you in debt? During these tough economic times with foreclosures on the rise and gas prices through the roof, more and more families are panicking about their financial stability, and some are only one paycheck away from being on the street. Would you and your family know what to do to survive? Just two years ago, Brandy and Greg say they were living the American Dream: a big house, a fast boat, plenty of spending money and four beautiful children. That all changed when their six-figure income was reduced to nothing. On the brink of losing everything, how did this family end up nearly a quarter of a million dollars in debt, and could it happen to you? Money expert Loral Langemeier shares a 90-day plan to help get their finances back on track. Then, Milton and Patricia were awarded the largest home ever given away on Extreme Makeover Home Edition. The headlines now report that the mini mansion is near foreclosure because of the couple's frivolous spending. They come to Dr. Phil to set the record straight and clean up their financial mess. And, Dr. Phil reveals the five biggest money mistakes people make. Could you be making them right now? You don't want to miss these tips! Join the discussion.

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September 16, 2008, 6:47 am PDT

Living within your means!

My heart goes out to people who live from week to week and, and are a paycheck away from being on the street - the guests on tonights show were not in that catagory. Both famlies had good incomes but made  poor choices when it came to spending money. Everyone needs to learn to live within their means, and save-up a Rainy Day Fund. Every high school in the country should teach a Personal Finance 101 Course. Before buying anything people need to ask themselves the following questions: Is this a nicety or a necessity , and can I pay for it or do I have to charge it?  I read a book a number of years ago titled The Millionare Next Door, it is a book worth reading - It helped me understand how to resist the temptation to try to live high in the hog, and beyond my means. I find it difficult to sympathesize with banks that were dumb enough to loan money to people without doing a means check, and have since gone belly-up because of their stupidity. I feel sorry for people that borrowed money to buy homes they could not really afford, and have since lost them. Unfortunately a lot of un-regulated banks and financial institutions became greedy and ignored good lending practices which has resulted in the financal crisis we are witnessing today. It is truly a sad state of affairs when so many people lose their homes.

 
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September 16, 2008, 7:36 am PDT

You should feel sorry for me instead

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My heart goes out to people who live from week to week and, and are a paycheck away from being on the street - the guests on tonights show were not in that catagory. Both famlies had good incomes but made  poor choices when it came to spending money. Everyone needs to learn to live within their means, and save-up a Rainy Day Fund. Every high school in the country should teach a Personal Finance 101 Course. Before buying anything people need to ask themselves the following questions: Is this a nicety or a necessity , and can I pay for it or do I have to charge it?  I read a book a number of years ago titled The Millionare Next Door, it is a book worth reading - It helped me understand how to resist the temptation to try to live high in the hog, and beyond my means. I find it difficult to sympathesize with banks that were dumb enough to loan money to people without doing a means check, and have since gone belly-up because of their stupidity. I feel sorry for people that borrowed money to buy homes they could not really afford, and have since lost them. Unfortunately a lot of un-regulated banks and financial institutions became greedy and ignored good lending practices which has resulted in the financal crisis we are witnessing today. It is truly a sad state of affairs when so many people lose their homes.

First, off let me say the banks allowing this is horrible and they should have been regulated years and years ago. Banks for years have used all kinds of manipulative and deceptive techniques.   I do agree with you on this point. 

Second, let me say this-Except in the case where there was an unforseen medical crisis(which by the way would not be an issue if you had universal health care), I don't feel sorry for the people loosing their homes at all.   Especially the ones who have tons of money and could have chosen to save instead.  And guess who these rich suburbinites driving around in their SUVs except to help pay for their overpriced homes and gas guzzlers.  The people who are renting because they could not even afford the cheapest of properties because with easy credit housing prices skyrocked, responsbile home owners who actually bought homes they could afford, and guess what those living week to week, paycheck to paycheck.  The government needs to stop the bailouts.    Did you know, the percentage of the population that rents is about 33 percent, the percentage of homes in forclosure is about 2 percent, with about another 10-15 percent deliquent? 

Why rob the masses to pay for the few!   And the reckless building of these new homes was very ecologically  destructive.    As far as I am concerned if you can't afford your home and cost of living because you (not as in you personally, but those who made the chooses to spend recklessly) your options are move to a home you can afford, join the 3rd of the population that rents, and if you ran up so much debt you can't afford any place in the United States, move to a country that is cheaper.  Basically, I really don't care just don't try to ask the government to take my money to pay for your recklessness.   Go deal with the consequences of your actions.  

And maybe if their children see this, they will learn something and won't be so irresponsible as the generation before them.  

I work two jobs, have no credit cards, and rent.  I can't afford to travel or go out to eat at nice restuarants and can barely even afford to take time off from work.  I save what I can but can't save as much as I would like to be able as the government takes out taxes to waste on companies and people who made selfish and reckless decisions.   If I could save enough money I would buy and prius and be able to give more money to charities.   I would never even consider buying a boat due to the negative impact on the environment.   There are plenty of us out there just like me, yet the government would rather waste money on the reckless and selfish.  
 
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September 16, 2008, 7:40 am PDT

09/15 Money Matters: Surviving the Crisis

Brandy is crying because her kids can't go to preschool. Preschool is NOT a necessity.
 
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September 16, 2008, 7:46 am PDT

Exactly

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I looked at her perfectly done hair dye job and wondered how much she pays her hairdresser for the upkeep.  Around her it  the average is about $75 but we live in north Louisiana.     I have heard of people moving to areas with a higher COL and the cost for a good hair color is twice that amount. No telling what that bottle blonde is paying for her blonde locks.  I cover my gray and have highlights but I got to Sallys or else get my color free after rebate at CVS or Walgreens.
And the saddest part is that this is her priority over keeping her kids in preschool.   My parents did not have lots of money when I was young and they still made sure I went to preschool.  We lived in a townhouse and they only had one car and when my mom needed to occassionally she would even take us to preschool by bus.  

People like this lady just make me sick.  
 
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September 16, 2008, 8:01 am PDT

how true

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I feel sorry for all these people I really do but what about us "real" people. Us who barely make it paycheck to paycheck?? When we were young and stupid we got credit cards and couldn't pay them back. Now we are older and wiser BUT we can't get out from underneath them. Not even mentioning the normal everyday bills! We have 4 children, my husband works 40+ hours as a police officer. I was going to college to get my bach. degree but had to quit because I couldn't afford books. He makes $2682 salary a month. We don't do anything like no eating out, no movies no fun stuff! We just "need" so much stuff that we haven't been able to get every cent "extra" goes to these things. I am not talking wasteful stuff, the kids ALL need shoes, they need jackets, toilet paper, shampoo etc...We can't save anything because we do need this stuff. I know the whole needs and wants thing but my kids do need these things. I haven't bought myself anything LITERALLY in like 11 years!! They don't get designer anything whatever we can find at walmart or even garage sales!!! I feel like we are NEVER going to get ahead! We debated on me getting a job but after we figured out what jobs were available what I would make a month it wasn't worth it after daycare! Just when things start to look up then the price of something raises and we go down again! We rented the cheapest house available we sweat in the summer and freeze in the winter I don't know where we go wrong! I DO feel bad for those people but what about us real people who make $30,000 a year? We have bills and creditors calling us too. We can't afford to send them even $50 to get the debt down because thats $50 less food for my kids who have no shoes or coats because I had to pay the gas bill! Wow I didn't mean to go on so long it just frustrates me that there are SOOOO many people like us out there not getting any help and feel so hopeless.....

I too felt sorry for the people on the show but what about people like us.  I could never dream of having a home anywhere near to what they have.  Like you I have 4 kids to support, (1 neice whom I took in because her druggie mom didnt want her) and 3 grandsons whose dad abandoned them and refuses to give them a dime).  I also support my 2 grown daughters, one has bipolar and is in a work program trying to find a job but around here there are thousands out of work so no jobs are to be found. The other one is disabled and has been trying to get her disability for a couple of years. She has fibromylgia, chronic migranes (3 or 4 a week) generalized anxiety problems just to name a few.  My brother also lives with me and I support him also. He has a lot of medical issues.  My hubby is on disability and cant work. Between his measly disability (which he only contributes 500 to the monthly bills) and my check we are barely surving. We cant possibly go out to eat or anything like that. Due to dr bills we cant even get a credit card much less max one out.  And if you have small children it definately doesnt pay to go to work and put them in daycare because it takes your whole paycheck to pay the outrageous fees.  Yea there are a lot of us barely making ends meet and cant get any help.  I mean I cant get help from anyone.  My family is dirt poor and couldnt help if they wanted to.  My mom and dad barely have enough food to do them because they have so much meds to take.  It is very frustrating.  I rent a 3 bedroom mobile home. My daughter and her 3 sons share one small bedroom. It is so small that with the toddler beds and Zanders bed she has to sleep on a couch in her room.  Shawna (my 12 year old neice) has one tiny room barely big enough for her bed.  My brother sleeps on the couch in the livingroom and my other daughter sleeps on the loveseat.

 

Yes I would say I am frustrated because for people like us we cant get help from anyone.  There is not enough money left over for even the things they need, things like shoes and underwear and all the essentials. By the time I pay all the bills and get the household supplies ( like toilet paper and such) and get a few groceries there is nothing left for even the needs much less the wants. 

It would be nice to see someone living dirt poor to be on DR. PHIL getting the help they so desperetaly need.  It is always people with big fancy houses getting the help. 

And I am not saying they dont deserve the help because everyone makes mistakes.

I cant even afford a retirement fund because I cant afford to have an extra penny took out of my already meager salary.

 

I know this is a long response but like you I am frustrated and I pray every day that the situation will change but it never does. I have also considered a second job but I can barely handle the first one.  I too have fibromylgia, chronic headaches, tendonitis in my shoulder and hands, carpel tunnel and Degenerative Disk Disease, so it would be hard to work more than I already do (I work 40 hrs at my job then go home and do what has to be done).  Really a second job is not an option, since I am already in enough pain to choke a horse.

 
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September 16, 2008, 8:09 am PDT

Go To Craiglist

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We are in a situation similar to the first guests on today's show.  The real questions I had were not answered, just kind of glossed over.  Here's my question: when people are in a situation where they are in a house they can no longer afford, bill collectors are calling, and everything seems to be falling apart, the obvious answer is to get out of that house and rent, buy a trailer, or do whatever you need to do.  We are very willing to do this.   The expert on today's show mentioned the problem, but offered no real solution.  When your credit is way down in the pits, you will not qualify to buy anything smaller or even rent.  When getting a co-signer is just not an option (not everyone is in their 20's or 30's with parents able to help), are there any solutions to this problem?  It's kind of like you stay in the house you can't afford, because at least you have a roof over your head.  It would be great if on a future show Dr. Phil could address this, and give some real steps people could take to overcome this problem.
Go to craiglist, your local newspaper, facebook etc and look in the rental section.   There are people who have condo's, trailers, or houses they need to rent especially in this market and some of them probably will not even check your credit.  Many of them will also rent for way below the prices of apartments depending on where you live.   Additionally, in many cases there is shared housing.  

They may not be in the areas you want to live in or the quality you would like to live in, but they are there and they are available.  Remember you got yourself into this mess and you will now have to sacrifice and live with the consequences.      
 
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September 16, 2008, 8:10 am PDT

You really don't know anything

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You are very much on target.  Alot of people are in debt due to poor decsion making and frivolous spending. As you put it, people want something and have  to have it that minute...whether or not they can actually afford it is another story. I don't feel sorry for people like this when they fail which they inevitably do.  I do not buy anything that I wouldn't have the money in the bank to cover when the bills come rolling in. I learned to sacrifice and save money in my earlier years and that is why I can now enjoy (and afford) some luxuries.  So excuse me if I just can't feel sorry for the materialistic brats on the show who got themselves in trouble because they needed instant gratification, and are so immature that they can't sacrifice or save. What I'd like to know is whether it is going to cost me some of my hard-earned money to bail losers like this out.

Sadly it is not a family living beyond their means, it's a family whose means changed. I understand you are only commenting on what you saw, but trust me when I tell you this is a family who suffered more hardship then anyone deserves. In addition to their income dropping to almost nothing they have had an extremely sick daughter who required several surgeries in her first couple of years of life. Dr. Phil chose not to mention their medical hardship, but when you are self-employed and self insured (which the Holleys were) the results can be devastating. This is not a family sitting home on welfare, this is a family who has and still is working very hard to make ends meet. Their home is not in the least bit elaborate, it is a modest (under 2000 sq. ft.) home in a middle class neighborhood, in the four years I have known them they have NEVER taken a family vacation, and got rid of their boat as soon as things started to go south. They DID have savings and retirement and burned through both on medical bills. Their situation could happen to anyone so please don't be so quick to judge.

Imagine yourself if the only career you ever knew suddenly had 0 jobs and your daughter was on the verge of death and required several very expensive medical procedures in order to survive. A lesser family would have immediately filed bankruptcy and sought government assistance, but this family has chosen to try and make it work. 

 
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September 16, 2008, 8:18 am PDT

Not much sympathy for these folks

I understand America is in financial crisis but it is really hard for me to feel sympathy for the people interviewed on this show. My husband and I are are hard working full time employees and have struggled all of our married life to get by but we have made it. We have always had to borrow from " Peter to pay Paul".  The people interviewed have either had the good life, lived beyond their means and lost it or were just given a fresh start. What about us good ol' hard working Americans who work their butts off every day just to make it from pay day to pay day? What about the crisis on every day people. We are not poor. We are rich in many ways and have many blessings. We are just like a lot of every day people who just don't have enough to get by because of the financial status of the U.S.  We aren't sitting home drawing welfare or foodstamps. We are simply hard working honest people that deserve a break.  How do you suppose you can help us when we can barely put food on the table, gas in the car and pay our electric bill? Dr. Phil you said you paid under $200 for your first car. Has it been so long since you have scraped for cash that you have taken your financial status for granted? I believe you have been truely blessed with your family, financially , with wisdom and a personality to touch many lives. Don't ever take these gifts for granted but remember on your shows were you came from. You and your wife are a blessing. Thank you for all the good you do for so many people.
 
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September 16, 2008, 8:18 am PDT

Huh?

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my husband makes 2500 a mon our bills are only 800 a mon. but for some reason on pay day we end up spending  every bit of it, and we never have anything to show for it. we dont own anything and we live pay check to paycheck how do i fix this. and dont say save money we have tryed that it doesnt work. please anyone with any advice. thanks
What do you mean don't say save money?  Do you want the miracle solution where you get to spend money but it is still there?-It doesn't exist.  And if your income is 2500 and your bills are 800, that is 1700 dollars-how do you even manage to spend this much money on pay day?  

Seriously though,
1.  Get rid of your credit cards-you will spend less if you use cash and even though some may not agree with me given the current state of financial instituions you shoud have cash on hand.   
2.  Don't buy things that you don't need-many people don't understand the difference between wants and needs.  For, example lets use this example-dying your hair perfectly blonde is a want, sending your kids to preschool is more or less a need particularly if you have the money to do so.  
3.  Before you buy something ask your self-do you need it, will it make you money, or can you use it to truly better yourself-if the answer is no then don't buy it.  



 
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September 16, 2008, 8:52 am PDT

money matters

I feel bad for people that can't handle their finances by living beyond their means, but at the same time, I have a hard time seeing them receive all kinds of help when there are thousands of people, myself included who have always lived within their means.  When my husband and I were first married, we didn't have a lot of money, and we made decisions about what was most important to us, which was our children, and we did what we could afford, and now we have enough money to be comfortable and our children are all successful in their jobs and basically they are all pretty happy and content.  I know people need help, but are they really going to use the help.  I have NEVER missed one credit card payment,  one house payment, no bill collectors call my home or ever have, and we are debt free -  there must be other people like that, and when i see the second couple making the horrific money decisions they did with having a house totally paid for for them,  it is sickening,  sorry to be so blunt.
 
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