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(Original Air Date: 09/18/08) Could you be guilty of abusing your child and not know it? Where are the boundaries when it comes to parenting? Treffly is a mom of three who never thought she would be accused of breaking the law. But that's exactly what happened when she left her daughter in the car to do an errand just 30 feet away. Treffly's case sparked a flurry of opinions and heated debates across the country. People in the community and a criminal defense attorney weigh in. And find out what Dr. Phil thinks about Treffly's encounter with the law. Then, Lynn says her biggest regret is leaving her daughter alone the night the 13-year-old died. Find out how a false allegation landed her behind bars. Her conviction was overturned, and Lynn became the first woman in U.S. history to be cleared by DNA evidence. Hear how the truth came to light and what life has been like since she was released from prison. And, hear about Lynn's son, Ed's, experience growing up in foster care as a result of his mother's incarceration. What can mother and son do to rebuild their bond? Find out what you can do to improve the lives of children in the foster care system. Plus, don't miss the steps you need to take if you're wrongly accused of a crime. Join the discussion.

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September 19, 2008, 6:23 pm PDT

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my now ex wife made false accusations and called 911 after I served with divorce papers claiming "I'm afraid fo what he MIGHT do".  This claim had me removed from our home, this resulted in a restraining order preventing me from contact my two children as well.

Under this cloak, she was no able to move at will without any family/probate court hearing.

 

She moved 1200 miles away from FL to Mass.   Knowing this would be an ugly custody matter, I moved to Mass. as well (both our native home).

As soon as she found out I was in the area, she called my town police and claimed I was "stalking" her; she called her local police and said I "loosen up the lugs nuts" on her car.  Week after week I was battling allegations of violence, mishief and she later called my employer claiming I was violent and she had an RO... resulting in my release from work.

 

This carried on and on until Family/Probate court decided my rights to parent OUR children, vistation and now shared custody.

Her allegations have stopped AFTER the family court intervened, granting my children and I liberty to be a family.

 

Although divided and prevented from contacting them, talking to them, visiting or calling... our 18 months apart during moms temper tantrum and rage towards has not hindered my childrens feelings towards me and now openly speak about how what "mom did was wrong".

I'm told they were constantly asking for me, but her excuse was "the courts won't let you"... little did she say, they were acting on her complaints and allegations.

 

So, after a DCYF investigation, court ordered anger management/ batterers intevention classes, 6 months of psych. care and endless evaluations, her complaints about me abusing her, abusing drugs, abusing alcohol... all busted with these reports and investigations.

 

Consequently, the FL judge terminated her RO for her based on my defense... Mass., well, still too big a business to remove that from her.

 

In turn, I live in fear, wondering when her next allegation/ accusation will take place and what will that do to my career and relationship with my children.

 

Sincerely,

David in Providence.

I am mother of three beautiful girls ages 10 8 and 7.  I have given up my  my life for these children.  I have been a stay at home mom since the second was born.  I bring them everywhere with me and do everything with them.  They are into gymnastics and it is very excpensive so the gymnastics school gave me a job to help pay.  My husband and I have been having some problems with finances and he is very stressed trying to provide for all of us.  This past summer we were fighting and i called the police for some help.  Help!!! What I got was a huge mess.  There was no physical abuse but some emotional and they reported it to dss.  What a mess.  We are wonderful loving parents and love our children more than anything in tis world.  They went to see my children at school, talked to the principal who stated we were one of there top parents involved with the childrens school, talked to the pediatricion and the girls are all up to date with everything.  We got a letter stating that there was neglacte.. where??

 

 

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September 19, 2008, 7:18 pm PDT

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I too have left my children in the car for a minute, and I am extremely concisous of the dangers, especially heat.  I live in AZ and numerous children have died being left in cars.  But if I have to step out of the car to mail a letter I am not going to get the kids out of the car.  I also carefully consider where I stop so that I can keep the car in my view, and the car is shaded etc.

 

What amazes me is tonight I ran to the grocery store with both my children.  As I drag the infant seat across the parking lot, while holding the 3 yr olds hand, a car pulls up to the entrance of the store and a woman gets out of the passenger seat, reaches in the back and picks a baby up off the seat.  NO CAR SEAT!!!  And then a 2 or 3 yr old also crawls out of the back seat.   Again.... not only not in a car seat, there aren't any even in the car!!!

 

Inside the store I passed these people in a couple aisles, and hesitated to say anything.  But when we left they were also loading their car up.  I watched the woman toss her baby into the backseat. (mind you, this baby could barely sit up alone,) She had the other child crawl in and her and driver hopped into the front seat.  At this point, I made the decision to call the police.   This is child abuse.  Actually endangering the life of the child.  I chose not to follow the car, because the people realized I was phoning the police when I drove over to get their license plate.  They tore out of the parking lot and me and the 911 operator agreed it would endanger the children more to attempt to follow them.  I can only hope police caught up to them.

 

Ironically, the licence plate was  "all4mom"   Obviously in this case, it's all about mom, and nothing about the children.

 
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September 19, 2008, 8:43 pm PDT

I've been falsely accused.

Three weeks ago my 10 year old was fighting with my 4 year old over a toy.  I explained to the 10 year old that he needed to give the toy to his brother.  He got mad, threw the toy, and called his little brother "a little &%&&) boy".  I went to hold him to let him know that type of talk was unacceptable.  When I did, he pulled away and hit his head on the wall.  When my wife came in and asked what happened, my son said, "It was dad!"  My wife called the police and I was arrested.

 

Not only was I in shock that I was being arrested, but I was amazed that the cops arrested me based on the word of a four year old.  My wife did not see anything, and the cops did not allow me to say anything.  They just arrested me based on the lie my son told them.

 

I spent 37 hours in jail and had to beg my father to bail me out.  The case was dropped a few days later because investigation and my son admitting he lied proved there was no case.  But I still have this arrest on my record and could have lost my job had my dad not posted bail.  I have coached little league for four seasons.  This put my volunteer work at risk.  If this case was not dropped, even though it was false, I would not be able to coach again.

 

I will be the first one to say put a child abuser in jail.  I support the police and respect the work they do.  But that afternoon, all of this could have been avoided had the cops let me explain what had happened.  They just said, "You have the right to remain silent. I suggest you exercise that right."   I was not allowed to explain that my son was ADHD and had a history of false reports, even against his school.  I was not allowed to explain that my wife is bi-polar and can have periods of irrationality.  I wasn't allowed to say anything.

 

 

 
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September 19, 2008, 9:29 pm PDT

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  I used to live in an apartment complex where the people living beneath me left their baby in their apartment (in the crib -I would assume) when they went to church every Sunday.  I saw them leave, and I heard the baby cry for hours.  I told the main office so they can hopefully speak w/ the parents first, as opposed to just calling the cops, as some people (the over emotional/angry ones) are out for revenge and just want to punish the parents as soon as possible.  The people at the office straightened it out, I never saw/heard it again.

 

  Now, had those people had a house (where they are not as noticed by others), they would probably get away w/ leaving their baby in its crib while they run errands; this is wrong, much more wrong as opposed to taking the baby w/ them, parking in the front row of the store, and popping in for less than I minutes (just long enough to grab an item or pay for gas). 

 

  And let me make it clear, I would never leave a child in a car for the 5 or less minutes if the weather is hot or overly cold.  Again, you can't lump the people who use common sense (and only leave the child for 5 minutes on a mild weather day) w/ the people who leave kids in a hot/or/cold car -totally different situation that shouldn't be equated as the same thing. 

 

  Also, the 1 time I  popped into Walgreene's (while parked in front entrance) for 3-4 minutes to buy baby tylenol, my baby was "asleep", had she been awake, I would have taken her in -as I don't want her to worry, and if she was older, I would not want to worry about her getting out of her carseat -if possible. 

 
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September 19, 2008, 9:38 pm PDT

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Quote From: nannny1

I feel like she was wrong in leaving her child in the car by her self.  However, she has probably learned her lesson with all that has gone down.  Also, education is key here. Some people just do not get "it" and need to be educated.

 

Thanks for listening,

Nancy in Millsboro

 

  No, the only lesson she most likely learned was that you can count on there being over emotional idiots who don't mind their own business (as she wasn't committing a life threatening act) roaming the streets and are everywhere.  She knows what she did wan't child abuse, and she stood up for herself (as she should), I never saw her say she learned her lesson. 

  Unless you can show the proof (coming straight from the lawbooks) that say leaving a child in a car while going any amount of feet away from your locked car while child is in carseat is against the law, nobody has the right to slap handcuffs on anyone, nobody has the right to stick their nose in the business of others.

 
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September 19, 2008, 10:03 pm PDT

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Quote From: tonyfan

I have 3 children - now 22, 20 and 16 and never once did I leave them unattended in a car. 

What has a snow storm got to do with leaving your child, that you chose to bring into this world, in a car by themselves.

You chose to have the children, so "running around with a baby and a toddler " is something you should have been used to doing.

Do not play God with your childrens lives - never leave them in a car.

 

  Well great for you, I hope you practice leaving yourself out of other peoples business as well.

 

  I suppose that if a mom leaves her sleeping child in a carseat, the boogie-man hiding in the bushes will run to your car the moment you enter the store?  Moreover, I guess you should also worry that the child will choke on air. 

  Here's some reality, you run a much higher risk of someone breaking into your home while you sleep and taking your child than you do a stranger taking your kid in a locked car as you pay for gas.  If chidren being snatched or harmed in any way -while sleeping in a carseat while parent is in a store for less than 5 minutes was something that can happen as much as you think, you would be reading/seeing it all over the news; but you don't for a reason, cause lots of people do this and its not an issue.  I have never ever seen an article in the news about a child harmed or stolen from a car while the parent was gone for less than 5 minutes.  And don't bother bringing up those cases where people leave their kids in the car while they shop for an hour or more -totally different and should be treated as such.

 
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September 19, 2008, 11:49 pm PDT

Amen!

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  Well great for you, I hope you practice leaving yourself out of other peoples business as well.

 

  I suppose that if a mom leaves her sleeping child in a carseat, the boogie-man hiding in the bushes will run to your car the moment you enter the store?  Moreover, I guess you should also worry that the child will choke on air. 

  Here's some reality, you run a much higher risk of someone breaking into your home while you sleep and taking your child than you do a stranger taking your kid in a locked car as you pay for gas.  If chidren being snatched or harmed in any way -while sleeping in a carseat while parent is in a store for less than 5 minutes was something that can happen as much as you think, you would be reading/seeing it all over the news; but you don't for a reason, cause lots of people do this and its not an issue.  I have never ever seen an article in the news about a child harmed or stolen from a car while the parent was gone for less than 5 minutes.  And don't bother bringing up those cases where people leave their kids in the car while they shop for an hour or more -totally different and should be treated as such.

There is a difference between 2 minutes and nine hours!
 

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September 19, 2008, 11:50 pm PDT

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Quote From: chriskah

The problem with all this is that no one can define the "gray" area. The above is an "extremist" statement that you know is just silly. However, I actually have a hard time sleeping--I wake every couple of hours although my children have always slept through the night (perhaps I worry too much). I can hear them if they cough, gag, choke, etc--that is the point of having them nearby.

The point of this whole topic isn't about 100% supervision--that is a bit far-fetched (even for an attachment parent). The point is that an unsupervised, unattended child inside a car (locked or not) is asking for trouble. Children can (and will) wiggle and strangle themselves in the seat-belts (or even get out, fiddle with the keys, locks, or whatever else you have in the car). The air is often uncirculated, too cold or too hot.

I think extremist statements are being made on both sides.  Children can be at risk anywhere & any place.  I personally am of the believe that SOMETIMES safely locked in the car is safer than navigating the cart return with mom.  When the woman insisted that she would take her child out of the vehicle, even to drop a letter in a mailbox, I thought she was being foolish.  THAT to me sounded MUCH more dangerous than leaving the child safely locked in the seat.  I've always been conscious that once that 5 point restraint system is unlocked, my child is a bit more vulnerable.  And having just witnessed a car hit a stroller (kids are okay . . . I think the idiot driver was on a cell phone), I am more conscious than ever that cars don't just hit other cars. They hit pedestrians as well.  And theives don't just target cars.  Sometimes an preoccupied mother with a cluster of kids makes a very tempting target. 

 

  Looking at it this way:  life is a series of risks, and sometimes we have to calculate our odds & go with what seems best. 

 

But my real reason for replying to you is because I'm actually a bit concerned.   Please don't take this wrong, because I don't know you & I may absolutely BE wrong.   I don't even know the ages of your kids. (I'm speaking as a mother whose youngest is now 5.)  Your inability to sleep because of worry can not be good for either you or your children. Are you children at a higher risk for choking in their sleep than others that you worry so much?  Do they actually gag or choke at night?  (If so, I'm assuming you've gone to the Dr. to rule out sleep apnea, etc.)  I get the desire to keep them from all harm & difficulty.  (sometimes I joke that I'd bubblewrap my kids if I could) but I also think that one of our jobs as parents is to foster a bit of independence & self-sufficiency in our children. 

 

 I believe that we are to take appropriate precautions, but having done that, I believe we need to let go & trust God.  . 

 

 Even constant vigilance is no guarantee that nothing will happen to you or your children.  And if you are not getting a good night's rest, your instincts & reflexes might make you less equipped to deal with what comes your way.  I hope that you can relax a bit more & get some real sleep

 

 

 
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September 20, 2008, 2:15 am PDT

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Quote From: chriskah

I find the news often appalling--full of nightmare stories where little babies die and/or suffer due to the inconvenience they cause their parents. If it isn't worth the inconvenience of taking the child out of the seat (or the seat out of the base) then the errand isn't worth being done. Get a babysitter, or better yet...learn some patience.

My husband recently ran a quick errand and left me and my two small children in the backseat (a 2yr old and a 6mth old). Within one minute of his leaving the car the air became unbearably hot and I needed to turn the car back on for the air conditioning. How many minutes before my babies would have passed out? How many more before my toddler wriggled her way out of her seat-belt? Or gave her brother something to choke on?

Looking through the window of a grocery store to keep an eye on your baby is not adequate--how often do your eyes stray from the child to the items you are purchasing? How many minutes would it take you to run outside and prevent choking or something else?

I often find it frustrating to deal with errands while carting an angry infant and a curious toddler around with me--when it becomes overwhelming I drop my eldest off to a safe, reliable babysitter's for a couple hours.

These people are complaining that they were falsely accused and arrested--if something horrible had happened to the child in the car would they still consider themselves innocent?
Your scenario sounds fine and all but how about those of us that don't have babysitters?! My son is 3 years old and has been left with no one other than my husband, my mother, or my grandfather. All three of those people work! My husband works 80-90 hours a week (no, that's not an exaggeration) and that leaves me alone to care for my son 24/7. I would LOVE to be able to run errands alone or to drop my son off with someone to have some alone time, however I won't leave my son with just anyone!! I think he is much safer with me and locked in his car seat in a locked car while I run up to pay for gas than he is left with a stranger or even a "friend" that can harm my child. Most people call me overprotective, I think I'm smart. You don't know what happens behind closed doors while you're gone running your errands and I would much rather have my son within my eyesight and reach than in someone else's care and I can't see what's going on!!!
 
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September 20, 2008, 5:18 am PDT

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This show couldn't have come at a better time! I am wrestling with nightmares over having been falsely accused by a man working as a youth minister at my mother's church. I went there in desperate hope to find support for my very demanding 11yr old (at the time) son. I had hoped to talk with the preacher (a man who had led the dedication ceremonies for my children when they were just babies, and knew my mom fairly well, at a church my brother was married in......Sounds trustworthy enough huh?) but he wasn't available. After just 10mins or so of explaining what was going on in our home this man (whom I did not know) announced aloud (in a scattered room of people) to my son "Do you understand that your mom is so fed up with you right now that she is ready to drop you off on the street corner?!". WHAT?! Oh no! I 100% believe in my animalistic right to protect my young and let me tell you I was STEAMED! Immediately my concern was for my young son and IMMEDIATELY I turned to him and said "You know mommy would NEVER EVER just drop you off anywhere right?! Never! And you know not to listen to a person who says such mean things right?" Of course because he doesn't have to question my love for him, he took it better than I myself did. I got up, took his hand, and walked out. A few days later a CPS worker showed up on my doorstep! At first she wouldn't tell me why she was there but insisted on coming in to speak with my kids. I refused her entry until she gave me some idea of why she was there. That is when she said they had received a report from an area church that I had said I was ready to drop him off on the street corner!!!

 

Not only did this "man of GOD" say such ugly things to a child in crisis, but he then turned around and told CPS that I had spoken those harsh words when in truth they were his words and I was obviously greatly upset by them! ((So upset that I felt an immediate need to leave despite my desire for their help to get my son counseling)). Talk about a knife in one's back!!! This happened a few years ago but it has dramatically affected my trust in people. So many options that I could have used to help my baby, I just couldn't use because there is no level of trust in me anymore. I am a HUGE believer that GOD will make this right and I wish I could just use that knowledge to help me feel better about it but I still have nightmares and I have zero trust in people (when in comes to sharing my kid's story). I think had this not been a church, I would have pressed charges against that man! Our CPS case was immediately dropped right there that day in our living room. The caseworker came in, my son told them the exact version that I had, by himself,  with me out of the room, and before I could have had any chance to 'coach' him ((or whatever else people may think a parent would do to change their child's story)).

 

We have since attempted a few rounds of IVF hoping to get pregnant and are now being faced with the possibility that we may have to adopt. Of course I have this looming over me and because of this lie I worry there maybe problems processing that. (Idk if there is or not, but it sucks that I even have to consider that or tell an adoption agency for fear they might deny me if I don't.) The fact is that to this day my child still remembers it  clearly and he still talks about it whenever we pass that church! Sad. How do you tell a child that satan works in churches too?

 

Just knowing I am not alone in this really helps. I have just been crying my eyes out since I watched this show. With as long as I have been a member here, this is the first time I have actually posted but I really wanted to share.

 

I can't imagine how I would have felt had that lie been believed by the authorities for even 13 days let alone 13 years!! My heart goes out to the family on this show!  I understand Lynn's expression of her heart being just ripped from her chest. And I can see how easily my little one could be sitting right there in Edward's place and it just breaks my heart for them both. As a mom I can't imagine that pain. It's just not right.


Thank you so much for doing this show!! I feel such a weight being lifted off of me and I finally feel the ability to exhale. Maybe now I will have the strength to go to the preacher of that church and tell him what happened in hopes it will be prevented from future recurrence.

OMG!!! Unbelievable and I am so sorry for your situation and so happy that it was dropped. That man should be fired let go something. What the heck was he thinking by stating such a thing and then getting them in volved.  I know your feelings and the heartache that it brings. I have them in my life and for a long time I have felt very angry over it but now it has been 8 months and my family has been in crisis and we have been having a very difficult time with my 16 yr old and my two other children seem to be picking up on some bad habbits that need to be broken as well and we are working on things but it has taken a long time and I just hope one day I can have a happy home life when we get threw these teenage years with my children. It is not easy and answers to things that go on are not in a book that we can just look up and say O that is what we do.. It is not easy. Well good luck and I am glad that you can hopefully move past this experiance.  
 
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