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Dr. Phil takes on controversial issues that could affect your child’s safety at school. First up, imagine your child’s first day at school and his or her teacher is carrying a concealed weapon. How would you feel about that? One small Texas school district will allow gun-toting teachers. Dr. Phil hears from moms on both sides of this debate, as well as the president of the Texas Federation of Teachers. Then, did you know that almost half of college-aged kids binge drink? That’s why 100 of the nation’s college presidents have signed the Amethyst Initiative, calling for a national discussion about rethinking the legal drinking age. Should kids be allowed to drink legally at 18? An Amethyst board member joins Dr. Phil, along with the national president for Mothers Against Drunk Driving, two university presidents and a family devastated by a drunk-driving tragedy. Where do you side on these debates? Take our poll! Plus, don’t miss a school bus brawl caught on tape. Who's at fault: the student or the bus driver? Join the discussion.

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September 20, 2008, 7:47 am PDT

Drinking age

A a retired police officer, that was working during the time they dropped the legal age to 18 for a period of time, there was a lot higher instance of DUI arrests with the 18 to 20 years olds.  When it as legal to drink they took advantage of that out in public places where they would of, before, been denied the alcoholic beverages.  Then got in their vehicles and drove on the highways.  When it  was illegal for them to drink they tended to go to private parties and due to the added charges of illegally drinking, plus having to be grilled on who furnished them with those beverages, it was found that the illegal drinkers would avoid the authorities as much as they could.  When the drinking age returned to 21 we saw a big decline of DUI arrests and accidents. 

 

My thoughts and experiences tend to show me that they will get it if they want it.  The teens that would rather wait to legal drinking age and stay out of possible trouble, will wait.  When you legally make it available to them they will then tend to use that privilage for having no fear of prosecution.  But forget that drinking and driving is a bigger offense with bigger and many times fatal consequences. 

 

Footnote....I personally would like to see drinking alcohol banned entirely. 

 
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September 20, 2008, 7:48 am PDT

Lowering the Drinking Age

I am 25 years old and I went off to a college and now have a degree in Education.  Being 25 I think to  myself all the time, if I could only go back, I would do so many things differently.  I was very immature at the age of 18, as are all 18 year olds.  It has only been in the past couple of years that I can say that I am a responsible human being.  College is college.  You no longer live at home, you no longer have rules from your parents.  Kids are going to act out no matter what the drinking age is.  So, why would you lower it?  There going to do the same whether the legal age is 18 or 21.  AND from a teachers piont of view, there are still a lot of kids who are 18 and still in high school.  Schools have enough problems as it is.  Lowing the drinking age will only add to the already exsistant proplems. 

 
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September 20, 2008, 7:50 am PDT

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There are many parents out there who raise thier children with respect. However, as children they will test the limits. Just because a child is testing those limits does not by any means give a bus driver, teacher, or any adult the right to put their hand on a child. I believe that many people, including Dr. Phil, are walking around with blinders on. We have teachers selling drugs to students, having sex with students, and putting thier hands on students. I have had teachers scream disrespectfully at my child as well. These problems are nation wide. I have taken problems to the Vice Principle, because that is what I should do as a mother, the response I have gotten is several lies. Then because I took the issue to the office, my child has been treated worse in retaliation. The school systems in general have reached a level that I consider pathetic. I support that mother, any person who puts their hands on my child would have charges brought against them. This does not mean that I have looked past the childs behavior. However, adults should act as such.

try being a bus driver with this very rude child and many others.  you have to control the bus and the students at all times.  lots of presious lives behind you.  You sure can't just put them out on the side of the road.  Are you for real? 

You need to walk in their shoes.

 
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September 20, 2008, 7:57 am PDT

09/19 School Controversies

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How can a person grow if they can't learn for themselves....if my brain at 19 can't decide to drink, then how can I decide to vote or go to Iraq and die for this country?

Unless you HAVE chosen to join the military  you have NO right using that excuse! Just from your comment you have shown you are not mature enough to make good decisions.

 
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September 20, 2008, 8:02 am PDT

09/19 School Controversies

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Hello all, I would like to tell you from the beginning I am a school bus driver from south central PA. When this story about the bus driver fighting this teen age girl first came out, we all watched it at work. When you watch this on tv, they only show SOME of what happened. If you go to the you tube where it is, and make sure you dont have anything else going on in your room, and LISTEN, you will see the child in question in this video is NOT as innocent as she claims to be. While i am NOT condoning the actions of the driver in ANY WAY, I have to give KUDO'S to Dr. Phil for his last comments to the child on the show...He made sure to get a barb in only as he can do. After driving for 20 years I can tell you, this age group is the worst to work with. The girls are the mouthiest and the boys the horniest..LOL..The child acted just as any other would in the same instance. While we are all concentrating on what the driver did, you have to listen to the tape. She repeatedly called for help, over and over. While her first mistake was to get out of her seat and walk towards the child, she was trying to get assistance. NEVER GO IN THE LIONS DEN!!!  The second mistake was to TOUCH the child. We are trained to never ever ever touch a child. We can not even give or recieve hugs from the little ones. WHAT was she thinking???!!! Had she been in the company I work for, there is no dout she would no longer be employed. Not just taken off the route, she would be gone. The bus company is at to blame here also. Sad huh? When we went to school, the driver would have said, get out, the child would have, and there would have been a butt whoopin at home for disrupting the run. Well just my thoughts. Have a great weekend all!!
all was right except letting the child off the bus.  and who was to be at fault if the child gets hit by a car or is raped.  you can not just let a child off a bus at just any stop.    what are you thinking and who did you work for that would allow this. 
 
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September 20, 2008, 8:15 am PDT

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A a retired police officer, that was working during the time they dropped the legal age to 18 for a period of time, there was a lot higher instance of DUI arrests with the 18 to 20 years olds.  When it as legal to drink they took advantage of that out in public places where they would of, before, been denied the alcoholic beverages.  Then got in their vehicles and drove on the highways.  When it  was illegal for them to drink they tended to go to private parties and due to the added charges of illegally drinking, plus having to be grilled on who furnished them with those beverages, it was found that the illegal drinkers would avoid the authorities as much as they could.  When the drinking age returned to 21 we saw a big decline of DUI arrests and accidents. 

 

My thoughts and experiences tend to show me that they will get it if they want it.  The teens that would rather wait to legal drinking age and stay out of possible trouble, will wait.  When you legally make it available to them they will then tend to use that privilage for having no fear of prosecution.  But forget that drinking and driving is a bigger offense with bigger and many times fatal consequences. 

 

Footnote....I personally would like to see drinking alcohol banned entirely. 

I agree with you! People just don't think. Everything you said makes perfect sense and I would also like to see all alcohol banned but of course that will never happen.
 
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September 20, 2008, 8:19 am PDT

guns in canada

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sorry sir, but in Canada you can't go out to the local Walmart and buy a gun. They aren't available at every building we walk into. The guns in Canada belong to Policemen and Mounties- which means that we have certified, worthy people that aren't quick to rush to any fatal decisions. Regular citizens DONT have  guns, just for the hell of having one. America has a gun-control problem. Your knowledge, or lack of is very ignorant towards the issues in your own backyard.

GOD BLESS CANADA

  I thought that you might be interested in the following. Seems Canada is not the Eden you all would like to portray it. You might want to come down off your high horse and face facts. READ THIS:    

After Saturday’s fatal car-to-car shooting in the same troubled area of north Toronto that has also seen a deadly school shooting and three teens killed during a high-speed chase with police in the past three weeks, Ontario Premier Dalton McGuinty called on Ottawa to ban handguns. We recognize that Mr. McGuinty and his government are up for re-election this October, so the premier must appear to be doing something about crime in Canada’s largest city. But why is it the first instinct of most liberal-left politicians to go after the property of law-abiding citizens when the problem is so obviously the actions of criminals? Confiscating the former will have no impact on the latter.

Toronto police report that a silver Mercedes SUV was used by the criminals who shot and killed Mr. Hierro-Saez. Why not call for a ban on Mercedes SUVs? Just as it’s true the killers couldn’t have shot their victim without guns, neither could they have caught up to him without a powerful vehicle. It makes no more sense to take away the one-million target-shooting and collectors’ guns of Canada’s 400,000 legitimate handgun owners, just because similar guns are used in brutal crimes, than it does to ban luxury SUVs because they are sometimes used by criminals as getaways cars or assault vehicles.

The roots of gun crime in Canada are not all that different from those in the United States: the failed experiment in public housing (which concentrates members of dysfunctional subcultures in one area of the city), welfare dependence, drug addiction (and the lucrativeness of the drug trade), father-absent homes, dropout rates and so on. As such, gun crime will not be eliminated by wishing it away, by waving a magic wand and banning all handguns, for instance. Gun crime here will decrease only when Canadian police and politicians, as their American counterparts before them, start treating it as a crime, rather than a social problem.    
 
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September 20, 2008, 8:53 am PDT

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I agree with you! People just don't think. Everything you said makes perfect sense and I would also like to see all alcohol banned but of course that will never happen.
The banning of alcohol was tried once...it was called "prohibition"....an abysmal failure, and made gangsters rich.
 
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September 20, 2008, 9:49 am PDT

Contentious School Issues

 Dear Dr. Phil, Robin, and all of their viewers out there:

 

Even though I'm an adult now, I can contribute to the message boards on this topic because I went through the school system from kindergarten to university. Here's my $.02 worth on the various issues that were discussed on this show.

 

About teachers carrying a concealed weapon, I am completely against this. I think it was a member of the audience that put it best when she emphasized that if a teacher becomes frustrated in front of their class and ends of losing it, then the teacher can just take out the gun and fire it at the kids. This is just not right.

The Texas Federation of Teachers ought to rethink their position on this one. Personally, I hate guns with a burning passion. Such hard feelimgs towards firearms began more than ten years ago. That's when some derranged lunatic shot and killed former Ottawa sportscaster Brian Smith. That incident obviously made me very angry. Shortly after that, another derranged lunatic opened-fire with his machine gun at a bunch of female students inside a Francophone university in Montreal. Discussing these various incidents want to make me throw up and wish that only police officers and security guards carried guns in our society. Even though most teachers are the opposite of the derranged lunatics I mentioned earlier, I still sincerely believe that our teachers must use other methods that are apart from carrying a concealed weapon. Therefore, any action that consists of taking a gun away from any type of civilian, I am completely in favour of.

 

Next, let's talk about the drinking age. I can't believe that there are people out there who believe that the legal drinking age ought to be reduced from 21 to 18 years of age. Instead of rethinking to change the legal age of drinking, let's think about keeping it where it is. Because I often ride a bicycle for exercise and transportation, the thought of people driving drunk really makes me ill. While riding my bike, I try to obey all of the traffic laws. However, drivers of motorized vehicles that are considered to be drunk don't have the judgement and the skill to prevent other users of the road from serious harm. Last year, I watched the Oprah Winfrey show in disgust when it featured a young driver, going at full speed in the opposite lane. As a result, that jerk instantly crashed into a limosine, which killed the limo driver as well as a poor young girl who happened to be coming from a wedding. Just like drugs, alcohol use can be a very dangerous activity. At eighteen years of age, this age group lacks the maturity to be courteous to others and put the needs of society ahead of their own. This is a me-first generation where kids at 18 think they are invincible. Even though there are plenty of adults who exhibit their stubborness and selfishness by driving while impaired, the number of lives that can be saved by disallowing adolencents from drinking is too enormous to even consider reducing the drinking age. Simply put, this is not worth the risk. Please keep the drinking age to 21 and let's save innocent lives in the process.

 

Finally, I'll briefly talk about the school bus brawl that was shown on the show. The panel on the Dr. Phil show put it best when emphasized that there is a proper way of doing things. For example, I was on a Kingston Transit bus a couple of weeks ago. The bus driver was very rude. However, instead of getting into a fight with him, I called the transit office and filed a complaint. In the case of this young 15-year-old that was featured on the Dr. Phil show, she lacked the maturity to process such steps clearly and got caught up in the heat of the moment. What this girl should have done was to tell her parents so that they could call the school and make a complaint. I think that the girl and the bus driver were BOTH AT FAULT in this case. Dr. Phil said on the air that parents have a legitimate concern when they are afraid that their children can get hurt in a fight. That's exactly what happened to me in high school. This guy named Steve threw a snowball at me. When that didn't work, he then proceeded to beat me up and as a result, I had a black eye. Looking back on this, I wish that I never had gone to that particular high school. In any event, teachers and parents should empasize to children not to get into fights and handle issues in a more civilized manner. I sure wish that Steve and I did back when I was in high school.

 

Well, okay. That is my message. I hope that you all have a great weekend and I also hope that there are as many people who read my message as possible. Who knows? Maybe someone will learn from my valuable life experience at school.

 

Sincerely,

 

Fred, from Kingston, ON Canada. 

 
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September 20, 2008, 9:55 am PDT

Everyone involved acted inappropriately, especially the bus driver!

I just watched the 10 minute video of this situation on youtube, this bus driver should not be allowed to oversee children ever again! She instigated the argument, she put her hands on the child, she damaged personal property (cell phone) of the student, she refused to speak to the child's parent. Absolutely incredible conduct from an alleged adult!!! I'm happy to see that the family is pursuing the lawsuit, if the school can't see that her conduct was completely ridiculous and is unwilling to discipline her for violating the rules (never put your hands on a child), then court is the way to go.
 
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