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Created on : Friday, September 26, 2008, 01:14:58 pm
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(Original Air Date: 09/29/08) Parents: Is it better for your children if you're a helicopter mom who hovers over them, or a hands-off mom who allows them to learn independence? This hot-button topic has sparked debates across the country. Lenore is a mom who says kids need more freedom so they can learn to survive in the world. To prove that children are more adept than most parents think, she left her 9-year-old son, Izzy, in a New York City department store with $20, a subway card and a map. Was he able to find his way home safely? Some moms, like Maria, say Lenore's actions were extreme. Maria, a mother of three, says she's constantly hovering over her children, especially her 17-year-old daughter, Madeline. Is Maria doing more harm than good? You won't believe what Madeline has to say! Next, hear from Sarah who admits her 12-year-old and 8-year-old sons are almost never more than a few steps away from her, and comedienne Daphne Brogdon who says helicopter moms need to "let go and lighten up." Then, Dr. Jim Sears, co-host of the new show, The Doctors, weighs in with the biggest health risks of being a hovering mom. And, follow up with Ashlee and her mom, Teresa, who first appeared (link to: /shows/show/595/ on the show to discuss Teresa's overprotectiveness. Five years later, Teresa says Ashlee is a rebellious and rotten teen. Ashlee, now 17, wants to go to college and live in a dorm room, but her mom won't let her. Does Teresa have valid concerns for keeping Ashlee on a short leash? If you're a parent, or about to become one, you don't want to miss this show! Talk about the show here.

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September 29, 2008, 1:54 pm PDT

09/29 Extreme Moms

Dr. Phil,

 

How do you get a 16 year old boy to go out and do things on his own? He has always wanted to be around me. My son never goes outside or to friends house to play. Has never gone out on a Friday night with friends. I am not that protective that I don't let my kids go out. My daughter that is 14 rides her bike all the way across town to go swimming. Just went to her volleyball game that was over 200 miles away on a school bus. So I don't consider myself to be over protective. Just not understanding why a 16 year old boy will not go out and do things. Does the fact that he has ADHD and bipolar have anything to do with this?..

 

Karen

 
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September 29, 2008, 1:59 pm PDT

Where Are The Men?

 

 Dear Dr. Phil,

      

       I watched your show today (9/29/08) and I was perplexed by the women overly protective of their children. My confusion came from the desire to know where the male role models in their lives are. It seems to me that a strong male presence would make a noticable difference in the decisions that the mothers make. Perhaps I'm old fashioned but I can't help but think a positive male role model would make at least some kind of impact in the mothers decisions. As you told the mothers, ( my favorite quote of yours) " how's that working for you" certainly hits the mark.

 

                                                                                Thank You

 

                                                                              Mark A. Powers

 
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September 29, 2008, 2:06 pm PDT

From both of us

 Hi , my name is Kaitlynne and I'm a 15 yr old homeschoolschooled student. I think that the rule for every action theres an equal and opposite reaction can really be applied to this. For the one mom, she was concerned about her daughter not getting up early enough for college. The thing is, let her sleep in and find out how that works; don't nag, cause there is nothing a kid hates more then nagging and it acomplishes nothing. If a rule is broken, take away privileges then let them earn them back.

   In my family my brother and I chose to be homeschooled,so our family has a system of rules and boundaries that they expect us to follow but also trust us to follow. By following those rules we earn privileges and breaking those rules get them taken away.

 

Mom here:  EVERYBODY,even pedophiles and traffickers, has weaknesses. I taught my kids them. A life lived in fear is no life. 

 
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September 29, 2008, 2:06 pm PDT

09/29 Extreme Moms

Thank goodness for moms like Lenore! Talk about "common sense making a comeback" - good for her! It's about time kids were allowed to roam and explore and learn things for themselves. You wonder why so many young 20-somethings now live at home with mommy and daddy, sponging off them and having no clue what to do with themselves....it is because their parents HOVERED!

I am in my late 20s - I spent my days riding bikes with neighborhood kids, going on long walks, walking to friends' houses, etc. I am independent, married for 4 years, run my own business, I'm okay!

The idea of child molesters grabbing every child that walks around is ludicrous, amd the media just perpetuates this fear. The majority of children who are kidnapped are taken by people they know.
 
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September 29, 2008, 2:11 pm PDT

09/29 Extreme Moms

About the overprotective mom.....the brunette with the bob haircut that's been on before.....

I don't agree with her parenting at all....except for ONE thing. About spending money for her daughter to go off to college when she hasn't shown yet that she has the responsibility to get up and get to class. I think it's reasonable for the mom to want her to attend at least a semester or two at community college. It will save thousands of dollars and give the daughter the opportunity to show that she will get to class and make the grades. Of course kids should be allowed to make their own mistakes, but the parents shouldn't be expected to finance them.
 
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September 29, 2008, 2:13 pm PDT

I say yes

I agree with the Mom who let you child take the subway.  We need to teach our children how to take care of themselves when we can't be there.  I was the hoovering mom and I regret it more than I can say.  Now my 19 year old won't go out without someone and I am starting to feel trapped.  I wish I had given her the tools and confidence to be more independent.
 

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September 29, 2008, 2:17 pm PDT

Too young to be by himself

A young boy I know is allowed to go home from school by himself (has to call his parents when he gets home), then is left to be on his own for 2 hours until his parents get home from work.   Is 11 years old too young for this freedom?

 
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September 29, 2008, 2:19 pm PDT

Subway Mom

My son met someone through the court system when he was 15.  He had to do community service.  The man he did community serivce with molested him and his brother and was given 18 years in prison.  Most people will not help until its time to look for your son.  Yes extreme over protective mom has gone too far but Subway mom just sounds like she does not care.  If I saw him on the subway I would call the police.
 
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September 29, 2008, 2:22 pm PDT

Gone From Trust to Complete Doubt....

I am a mom who's had her own share of mistakes and learned from them.  That being said, I have always been open to my 17 year old daughter.  A very trusting mom (my husband says I was too trusting).  Always believing she had learned from me the "right" and "wrong" things to do.....when I allowed her to stay at a friends house (who we've known for quite some time) or allowing her to go visit friends after school (she's been driving over a year now), the only things she learned was how to lie to me (some thanks to her wonderful friends), how to sneak and do things you're not supposed to do......sex, drugs, smoking......needless to say, she ended up arrested at 17 and in Georgia that's ADULT AGE.  She says she's learned from her bad decisions and I try desperately to trust again but do not know how.  I have GPS in her phone and God help her if she doesn't answer it.  She's on probation and I have made her completely responsible to pay the court costs and probation fees.  She's a senior in high school works part-time, pays for her own gas.  I am hoping that she's learning how hard it is to be a grown up and be responsible.  Needless to say, her actions have set me up to be absolutely hovering over my 8 year old daughter.  Trust isn't in my vocabulary anymore and now I think all kids are liars.  Kids do not realize that for the parent that does trust their kids and then the kids go down a wrong path, it is so very hard to trust again.  My 17 year old daughter calls me psycho too.  She just doesn't realize its her actions that brought me to this point.  So Dr. Phil, how does a parent get past something like this?
 
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September 29, 2008, 2:24 pm PDT

Hovering Mothers

I had a hovering mother. I should say I HAVE a hovering mother. I'm 34 and she is still controlling. I felt watched, invaded and violated for my entire childhood, and then my adulthood. I made good decisions as I grew up, once I was allowed to make my own decisions (including ones I had to make when Mom wasn't there to insiist on doind it for me), but mainly because I was scared to death of the consequences from home. I guess that's a good thing, but I ended up marrying at 19 and divorcing at 29 with two kids. It took a long time to learn to speak up for myself. If I had that ability earlier, I wouldn't have gotten married. Not because it was so bad, per se, but because I wasn't ready. I just wanted out of my parents' house that bad. I felt like I had to, though, just to get out of the house. Because of that, I try not to hover over my kids so much. I don't want my kids to quite possibly marry the first fool that comes along just to get away from me.

 

Yes, there are dangers out there and kids need protecting from those dangers, but that's what education and information is for. Teach them how to avoid the situations, and then how to react if they ever find themselves in a situation in spite of trying to avoid it. Let them learn by example...from YOU. Show them the proper way to do things, the proper way to behave. You'll likely not be reporting to the principal's office or bailing them out of jail if you teach them. I have never understood the "do as I say, not as I do" parenting method.

 

Nothing much can be done about bullies, school friends and such typical and sometimes unavoidable childhood afflictions, except to teach kids how to handle it...the RIGHT WAY. Beating up other parents at games, cursing the neighbors or bad-mouthing our bosses at home are not good examples. Except in extreme cases, they should be allowed to figure out on their own how to handle "kid-level" problems. They will feel more empowered, self-sufficient and sure of themselves. Esteem is important in development.

 

I have issues with my own oldest daughter who is taking part in things I don't want her to, which aren't so bad now, but can, and may, lead to worse or riskier behavior. She shuts down when she's approached or questioned about certain things. She lies and sneaks around. And she's only 13! However, I've been out of her life for a couple of years, save for the telephone and a couple of short visits (I've been in the military...I made that choice for a reason) and her grandmother has been doing everything she can to figure it out. I'm at a loss and just hope that the things I know to do...the things I've learned about parenting (or rather how NOT to parent)...will work. I can't allow her perfect freedom to do what she wants, but I know that guarding her every move will only make all these things look more enticing. I know how it works. Anyone in that position knows how it works. I got away with plenty as a child even though I was monitored heavily because I figured out how to be slick. Kids are crafty. Give them too much freedom and they'll do what they want. Not all kids are mature enough to handle that kind of responsibility. Give them too little freedom and they'll find a way. I hope that I find a way to finally get through to her the cause and effect theory of circumstances, rewards and punishments.

 

There has to be a happy medium. (And as far as the post that states it's the child's "right" to live at home so they aren't paid for chores....That's fine. Don't pay them for chores. They SHOULD learn responsibility. But it's not their "right" to have a home with you, it's your RESPONSIBILITY to provide that for them!)

 
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