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(Original Air Date: 09/29/08) Parents: Is it better for your children if you're a helicopter mom who hovers over them, or a hands-off mom who allows them to learn independence? This hot-button topic has sparked debates across the country. Lenore is a mom who says kids need more freedom so they can learn to survive in the world. To prove that children are more adept than most parents think, she left her 9-year-old son, Izzy, in a New York City department store with $20, a subway card and a map. Was he able to find his way home safely? Some moms, like Maria, say Lenore's actions were extreme. Maria, a mother of three, says she's constantly hovering over her children, especially her 17-year-old daughter, Madeline. Is Maria doing more harm than good? You won't believe what Madeline has to say! Next, hear from Sarah who admits her 12-year-old and 8-year-old sons are almost never more than a few steps away from her, and comedienne Daphne Brogdon who says helicopter moms need to "let go and lighten up." Then, Dr. Jim Sears, co-host of the new show, The Doctors, weighs in with the biggest health risks of being a hovering mom. And, follow up with Ashlee and her mom, Teresa, who first appeared (link to: /shows/show/595/ on the show to discuss Teresa's overprotectiveness. Five years later, Teresa says Ashlee is a rebellious and rotten teen. Ashlee, now 17, wants to go to college and live in a dorm room, but her mom won't let her. Does Teresa have valid concerns for keeping Ashlee on a short leash? If you're a parent, or about to become one, you don't want to miss this show! Talk about the show here.

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September 29, 2008, 4:29 pm PDT

Adult child of helicopter mom

I am a 46 year old mother of 3.  I had the absolute definition of a helicopter mom.  I was never allowed to go to my friend's houses, although they were allowed to come to mine.  I could not go to the mall, the park, walk to school etc.  Finally, in the 8th grade, I was allowed to walk to school with 3 friends.  I was torn between love and resentment as I felt she had no confidence that I could make a good decision. At 17 I began to rebel.  All of the messages my mother drilled in to me kept me from getting in any real trouble.  I MARRIED AT 22 BECAUSE I KNEW SHE WOULD NEVER ALLOW ME TO MOVE OUT ON MY OWN.  (I hope the overprotective moms on your show read that.) When I was 26, I had 2 children and when we visited my mother  which was very often, (a 5 minute drive from my house) she would get in her car a follow me home to make sure I got in the house with the kids safely, even though my husband was home waiting.  At that point I realized that this is what she had to do to have peace.  When I was 28, mother passed away from a sudden heart attack on Easter Sunday.  She was 56.  I am certain she stressed herself to that point.  I would give anything to have her hover now.  I have strugged with the urge to protect my children as she did but I continue to remember how difficult it was to be the one protected. With extreme difficulty letting go, I  knew I had to allow them some freedom.  My children have become  responsible young adults.  They have never been in any kind of trouble.  They make good choices.  I was up front with my children regarding my protected upbringing and they never failed to call me out whenever they thought that I was too overprotective, I know I would have followed the same pattern as my mother.  Children need well defined boundaries.  I believe that you can have a happy medium regarding freedom given to children and have your children grow up well adjusted and independant without the extremist point of view.  I would never have allowed my young child to roam the city unattended, but I don't believe they hold that against me.

 
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September 29, 2008, 4:30 pm PDT

Hovering parents

  I'm so glad this topic was discussed on today's show.  It seems to becoming more and more prevelent in the last 10 years.  I understand parents are now calling college professors to discuss marks.    I've raised 4 children who are now all young adults.  I just seemed to instinctively know that as hard as it was, if they were to become confident, independent individuals I was going to have to let go when the time was right.  Yes, they made mistakes and some bad choices at times but by letting them discover things on their own they have all become confident and independent..  My 21 year old daughter traveled to Guatemala when she was 18 to volunteer in an orphanage for 4 weeks and then traveled the country with friends.  She went to Montreal and NYC when she was 19, with a girlfriend.  She spent 6 weeks studying French, 4,000 miles away when she was 19.  This past summer, she traveled to England and Italy, BY HERSELF.  If we had been hovering parents, never wanting her to leave our sight she would never have had the confidence or the know-how to travel out of the country like she has.  Think of what she would have missed.  Our young, twin deaf sons went away to university/college in the US (we're Canadian) 4,000 miles away.  They were 18.  They did a lot of crazy things but they grew up fast and are now living full, independent lives.  Our youngest is not interested in traveling but is full of confidence and doing very well in the working world.  He's 19 and has been working since he was 15.  He soon discovered that his $100 monthly allowance didn't go far so he was motivated to find himself a job.  He did it without our prompting.    Excellent show!     I am a parenting coach and do a lot of public speaking.  One workshop I deliver is called "Nurturing Independence in Your Child".  I ask questions like:  "How many of you want your children to become independent? "Why do you think it's important for them to be independent"  "What did your parents do that either encouraged or discouraged your independence?" What do YOU do that either encourages or discourages independence?"  Parents always acknowledge that's it's important their children become independence but don't realize they're very often stifling it by rescuing, over-protecting, doing things for them they can do themselves, and not allowing them to make mistakes.  
 
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September 29, 2008, 4:32 pm PDT

09/29 Extreme Moms

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I CAN'T BELIEVE A PARENT WOULD LEAVE THEIR 9 YEAR OLD
SON IN A N.Y. CITY DEPARTMENT STORE WITH $20, A SUBWAY CARD AND A MAP.
BEING WITHOUT PARENTAL SUPERVISION IS A FORM OF "ABUSE".
IN THIS DAY AND AGE, THERE ARE CHILDREN BEING ABDUCTED
THAT ARE STANDING RIGHT NEXT TO THEIR PARENTS. WHY DOES SHE THINK SHE HAS THE RIGHT TO DO SOMETHING LIKE
THAT TO TEACH HIM "INDEPENDENCE" WITHOUT THINKING THAT SHE MAY BE CAUSING HIM HARM? THERE ARE SO MANY SEXUAL PREDATORS LOOKING FOR AN OPPORUINITY TO
TAKE ADVANTAGE OF OF A CHILD ALONE LIKE HER SON IN NEW YORK CITY!!!!
THERE ARE BETTER WAYS OF TEACHING YOUR
CHILD "INDEPENDENCE".
THIS WAS NOT THE RIGHT WAY!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
SHE NEEDS TO GO TO SCHOOL TO LEARN HOW TO BE A
PARENT..........NEEDS TO KNOW THE DIFFERENCE BETWEEN "RIGHT" AND "WRONG".
WHEN YOU ARE A PARENT, YOU MUST BE "RESPONSIBLE" NOT "IRRESPONSIBLE"!!!!!!!.
Letting your nine year old son in a department store and on the subway by him self is not safe. There are some really bad people out there in this world. That women has a bolt lose in her brain somewhere. I am surprised that the police have not come nocking on her front door.
 
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September 29, 2008, 4:35 pm PDT

the loser boyfriend

What would you do if your 17-year old daughter was involved with a high school drop-out, who is also on probation, doesn't have a job, or a license?  How much freedom would you give her - hanging out at his home, on the streets like he does, etc.?
 
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September 29, 2008, 4:40 pm PDT

Lock up the pedophiles, not the kids

I believe there is more danger to locking up your kids in their home, even when you are there, than it is to let a child play in his neighborhood.  How many families do you know who have had a child abducted or molested by a stranger?  How many do you know with obese or overweight children?  There is a huge consequence to restricting children's lives as we do in today's society and it's everywhere.  It is the consequence of becoming an overweight child.  The child who can navigate his own neighborhood independently is not as likely to suffer from diabetes, low self esteem or ill fitting clothes.  The child who is "safe" at home is likely to be watching TV or playing video games which is a setup for obesity. 

 

I live near Tacoma where Zina was abducted by a stranger during the summer I think 2 years ago.  And her father was right there and able to get the license plate.  This was an absolute tragedy, but it wasn't the parents'  fault.  She was found murdered not too far from our home.  It wasn't the parents' fault.  These types of dangers have always been present in our society, but it doesn't mean you should lock up your children.

 

I am not physically strong enough to stop a would be stranger abduction if it occurred as we walked together on the street.  This is true for many women.  In some areas of the world, such as Saudi Arabia, they lock up their women to keep them safe.  The women are not allowed to go outside unless they are with a male relative.  This sounds wrong to most American ears.  Yet this is exactly how we have approached the problem with our children.

 

 

There is always danger in this world.  Pay attention to what really happens to people you actually know.  Zina cases are huge in the media, but it is highly unlikely to happen which is why it's in the news.  Protect your kids from bad things you see happening to other families in your neighborhood.

 
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September 29, 2008, 4:49 pm PDT

Independence

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  I'm so glad this topic was discussed on today's show.  It seems to becoming more and more prevelent in the last 10 years.  I understand parents are now calling college professors to discuss marks.    I've raised 4 children who are now all young adults.  I just seemed to instinctively know that as hard as it was, if they were to become confident, independent individuals I was going to have to let go when the time was right.  Yes, they made mistakes and some bad choices at times but by letting them discover things on their own they have all become confident and independent..  My 21 year old daughter traveled to Guatemala when she was 18 to volunteer in an orphanage for 4 weeks and then traveled the country with friends.  She went to Montreal and NYC when she was 19, with a girlfriend.  She spent 6 weeks studying French, 4,000 miles away when she was 19.  This past summer, she traveled to England and Italy, BY HERSELF.  If we had been hovering parents, never wanting her to leave our sight she would never have had the confidence or the know-how to travel out of the country like she has.  Think of what she would have missed.  Our young, twin deaf sons went away to university/college in the US (we're Canadian) 4,000 miles away.  They were 18.  They did a lot of crazy things but they grew up fast and are now living full, independent lives.  Our youngest is not interested in traveling but is full of confidence and doing very well in the working world.  He's 19 and has been working since he was 15.  He soon discovered that his $100 monthly allowance didn't go far so he was motivated to find himself a job.  He did it without our prompting.    Excellent show!     I am a parenting coach and do a lot of public speaking.  One workshop I deliver is called "Nurturing Independence in Your Child".  I ask questions like:  "How many of you want your children to become independent? "Why do you think it's important for them to be independent"  "What did your parents do that either encouraged or discouraged your independence?" What do YOU do that either encourages or discourages independence?"  Parents always acknowledge that's it's important their children become independence but don't realize they're very often stifling it by rescuing, over-protecting, doing things for them they can do themselves, and not allowing them to make mistakes.  
I love your attitude.  I was one of those teenagers, young women who travelled a lot early in life independently.  Those experiences had a profound effect on my view of the world, which I believe makes me a much happier person.  Yes there was danger involved, but I learned how to manage it and seek help, even when I didn't know the language well.  I am teaching my children to be independent as individuals.  When my son was in kindergarten, he wasn't old enough to stand at a bus stop by himself due to behavior.  But now at age 9, he is old enough to walk alone to school.  I prepared him by going with him many times, befriending people we met along the way, and talking about what to do if someone in a car follows him or stops beside him.  I hope that he will want to travel the world as part of his education when he is near college age.
 
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September 29, 2008, 4:52 pm PDT

Real Life is Real Life

   Being raised in the country means everybody has responsibilities.  I knew how to start and drive tractors, cars, and pickups by the time I was 9-10 years old.  I had my own livestock to take care of.  Our travel restrictions left us kids a playground of  about 8 square miles.  I had my own single shot .22 rifle.  I have watched parents put 5-7 year old kids in a saddle, on the back of a trusted ranch horse and told, "Ride to the back of this pasture(might be a few miles before things are done) and gather everything towards the branding corral." 

   Thirteen and fourteen year olds driving bobtail grain trucks weighing 15,000 pounds down gravel roads to the grain elevator and back to the farm for a round trip of 10-40 miles.  Because Dad didn't figure the kids could repair the combine if it broke down.

   Anybody can be hurt anytime by anything.  Childhood should be never be filled because adults build a fence too close to home.  Childhood should be filled will the learning of the ways of the world.

 

Take Care and God Bless,

 
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September 29, 2008, 4:52 pm PDT

the wrong decision

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Letting your nine year old son in a department store and on the subway by him self is not safe. There are some really bad people out there in this world. That women has a bolt lose in her brain somewhere. I am surprised that the police have not come nocking on her front door.
I was surprised at Dr. Phil's response to this situation.  The bottom line is that the kid does not have the physical size or self-defense skills to keep himself safe in this situation.  To "count on" strangers helping him if he gets into trouble is absolutely ridiculous!  Absolutely appalling! I'm sure that mother could think of other, safer ways to have her son feel self-confident -
 
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September 29, 2008, 5:01 pm PDT

What is a parents TRUE role?

A parents role is to raise responsible adults.  For those HOOVERING parents, what are you going to do when you die?  That day will come!  We are only guaranteed death and taxes.  Prepare your kids to stand strong without you, while you can.  Todays kids are tomorrows leaders. 

 
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September 29, 2008, 5:01 pm PDT

09/29 Extreme Moms

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I believe there is more danger to locking up your kids in their home, even when you are there, than it is to let a child play in his neighborhood.  How many families do you know who have had a child abducted or molested by a stranger?  How many do you know with obese or overweight children?  There is a huge consequence to restricting children's lives as we do in today's society and it's everywhere.  It is the consequence of becoming an overweight child.  The child who can navigate his own neighborhood independently is not as likely to suffer from diabetes, low self esteem or ill fitting clothes.  The child who is "safe" at home is likely to be watching TV or playing video games which is a setup for obesity. 

 

I live near Tacoma where Zina was abducted by a stranger during the summer I think 2 years ago.  And her father was right there and able to get the license plate.  This was an absolute tragedy, but it wasn't the parents'  fault.  She was found murdered not too far from our home.  It wasn't the parents' fault.  These types of dangers have always been present in our society, but it doesn't mean you should lock up your children.

 

I am not physically strong enough to stop a would be stranger abduction if it occurred as we walked together on the street.  This is true for many women.  In some areas of the world, such as Saudi Arabia, they lock up their women to keep them safe.  The women are not allowed to go outside unless they are with a male relative.  This sounds wrong to most American ears.  Yet this is exactly how we have approached the problem with our children.

 

 

There is always danger in this world.  Pay attention to what really happens to people you actually know.  Zina cases are huge in the media, but it is highly unlikely to happen which is why it's in the news.  Protect your kids from bad things you see happening to other families in your neighborhood.

Exactly. It is called life and you cannot act like everybody is out to get you. Tragedies happen. Look what happened to Polly Klass down in California, she was in her home and she was abducted. There is absolutely no  way to predict who will become a victim and when.

Good point about the obesity, but you also bring up another good point. There are abusers and predators on the internet that are a threat to all people, not just kids. Parents blame myspace, facebook, and other networking sites for people getting to their kids but that is not the core of the issue. Lots of parents still believe the internet is a safe place for their kids to play, and don't educate them enough regarding disclosure, and posting private information. Once they have your child's trust, they are in your home.
 
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