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Created on : Friday, September 26, 2008, 02:43:44 pm
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(Original Air Date: 10/03/08) It’s being called the ultimate form of child abuse -- brainwashing your children against an ex-spouse to win custody. Could you be harming your child emotionally and not even know it? First up, Ken is a successful surgeon who says he’s the victim of parental alienation syndrome (PAS). He says he hasn’t seen his 14-year-old son since last October and claims his ex-wife destroyed what was once a loving father-son relationship. Mel Feit, director of the National Center for Men, says Ken’s situation is a classic case of kids being turned against their father, but family law attorney Liz Kates says PAS is a phony tactic used by some men to get out of paying child support. What does Dr. Phil think? Then, Karen lost custody of her children after she was accused of parental alienation syndrome by her ex-husband. Karen maintains her innocence, so why were her parental rights terminated when her daughters accused her ex of sexual abuse? Plus, 19-year-old Demi joins the show via Web cam and says her father verbally abused her mother during their divorce. Now, she fears that her 15-year-old sister is caught in the middle. Find out what you can do if you’re caught between sparring parents. And, meet a father so desperate to see his young children, he kidnapped them from his ex-wife and went on the lam for two years. Talk about the show here.


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December 26, 2008, 2:50 pm PST

That lawyer on today's show

Family Law Lawyers and Judges need a new education let me tell you. They do not pay enough attention to the children in these situations. My kids suffered severely with alienation. There Dad was warned by the courts I can't tell you how many times to leave the kids out of it, but he continued to do so. They do not do enough follow up with the children to make sure this is not happening, and bad decisions in court are being made.
Pretty damn sad, but at least the  lawyers are getting there money!
 
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December 26, 2008, 2:51 pm PST

Been There

My parents separated when I was 8 years old, second child of four children my youngest sister was 4.  I would now describe the divorce as VERY bitter especially for my Mom.  When Dad told her he was leaving she called us all in the house to make sure he told us himself that he was choosing another woman over us.  She asked us to beg him to stay and we complied but Daddy just kept saying he was sorry and he left.  She told us over and over through the years how our father didn't want four children and the responsibility of marriage.  She had 100 ways of describing his faults and his families faults.  It was rare to hear a kind word about him.  We very seldom saw him.  Mom always blamed him for not trying.  It was tough on my Mom to raise us with so little but she did even when Dad didn't come through all the time with his child support payments.

 

Years later when I was 16 my paternal grandfather became very ill.  My Mom only allowed my older brother (then 18) and myself to see him in the hosiptal.  I had not seen my grandparents since I was 11 years old.  During the visit I saw that they were not evil people.  They were kind and showed me affection.  The next two years I reached out to my Dad and discovered he was not the monster my Mom had painted in my memories.  I fell back in love with him and the other members of his family.  I had to sneak off to visit because it was forbidden by my Mom.  Once I married I told Mom about visiting them and our relationship began to deteriorate.

 

Daddy died suddenly when I was 23 but my brother and me had the time to create a loving relationship with him.  He knew both of my children and was a proud grandpa.

 

Many years later through VERY turbulant years with my Mom I sought counseling and learned that I could heal from all those damaging behaviors from her insecurities.  I am now able to overlook her opinions and love the part inside of her that tries to love me.  She will never admit her flaws but has paid a heavy price for her choices.  At this time only one sister besides myself will talk to her.  She is not close to any of her grandchildren and is avoided by most of her own family members.  Her life is sad but she is the one who created her situation and has reaped it's results.

 
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December 26, 2008, 2:52 pm PST

Alienation

This is a true issue that has been going on for years.  My ex and his family spoke badly about me to my daughter since she was 4 years old.  She is now 28 years old and will never get over the effect it has had on her.  He was a very bitter man and took that bitterness out on my daughter without realizing the effects it has caused her today.  Now I not only have lost my daughter due to his hatred towards me.  But I have lost the chance to see my grandchildren grow up.  My heart goes out to any parent that has gone thru this or is going thru this it is horrible and the only one that it hurts is our children.  It is devastating not only to the parent  that it is happening to but it has long term effects on the child that goes thru it. 

 
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December 26, 2008, 2:54 pm PST

Concerned grandmother

DR PHIL

i AM SOOO GLAD I HAD THE OPPORTUNITY TO CATCH THIS VERY IMPORTANT SHOW THAT AIRED TODAY,

I AM VERY INTERESTED IN ANY GROUP THAT OFFERS HELP TO FATHERS WHO ARE NON-CUSTODIAL PARENTS.

MY SON WAS ALSO A VICTIM OF BEING FALSELY ACCUSED OF SEXUAL MOLESTATION A FEW YRS AGO AGAINST HIS DAUGHTER.

WE WERE ABSOLUTELY DEVASTED HURT AND SHOCKED BEYOND BELIEF.

IT TORE MY SONS HEART OUT.

AS LOVING GRANDPARENTS OF THIS LITTLE 8 YR OLD GIRL WE QUESTIONED HOW COULD THIS HAPPEN AND HOW COULD THIS MOM BE ALLOWED  TO GET AWAY WITH SUCH A HIDEOUS LIE.

NEEDLESS TO SAY POLYGRAPH TESTING AND LEGAL PROCEDURES PROVED MY SONS TOTAL INNOCENCE.

tILL THIS DAY WE DO NOT HAVE ENOUGH INFORMATION ON LAWS TO  HOLD THE CUSTODIAL PARENT LIABLE FOR FALSE ALLEGATIONS.

i AGREE WITH THE STATEMENT  THAT ANY PARENT WHO LIES SHOULD BE HELD ACCOUNTABLE  BY GOING TO JAIL TO LEARN THE LESSON OF FILING FALSE CHARGES.

WHAT ABSOLUTELY AMAZES ME IS THAT  "THE MOM" IS A WOMAN WHO BELEIVES IN GOD AND CALLS HERSELF A CHRISTIAN WOMAN  OF GOD.

HOW IS THAT POSSIBLE ?  I CAN ONLY HOPE THAT SOMEDAY THE TRUTH ABOUT WHY SHE LIED  WILL COME OUT AND WITH THE GRACE OF GOD WHEN MY GRANDDAUGTER IS MATURED ENOUGH TO UNDERSTAND WE CAN HAVE THIS CONVERSATION AND EXPLAIN HOW DEVASTING THIS WAS TO HER DAD AND TO ALL OF THE REST OF OUR FAMILY WHO TRULY LOVES HER VERY MUCH.

                                                         ANGEL OF PEACE

 
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December 26, 2008, 2:57 pm PST

You got it...............

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Thank you for sharing your knowledge!  I call Kansas Judicial System "The Wild Wild West'!  Whatever the is good for government revenue seems to be the answer.

 

The drag out cases to generate revenue for their private jets, country club fees, a lavish parties.  Who pays the real price?  Not the parents finances, but the children's self esteem.

 

We must bind together and stop this horrific behavior in OUR country.  We are the government's customers, and until we unite together and make a stand, this will continue.

 

Thank you Dr. Phil and Company for shedding light on PARENTAL ALIENATION.

In this case, I am the payer of child support as  a Mom, and there is no reason I should be paying. Just to let him buy four wheelers, and guns, and all kinds of other toys....and I have to start Christmas shopping in Sept so I have money to buy things each month for my kids. Meanwhile, I eat Hamburger Helper!
What gives on this earth, the courts are corrupted!
 
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December 26, 2008, 3:12 pm PST

great show

Dr. Phil,

I realy like the show about brainwashed children! I am the father of two great boys, the older was having problems with his mother after the divorce not listening to her missbehaving in school direspectful to her live in boyfiend and wound up running away from her home to my home. then his mother signed a chins order against him. Children In Need of Supervision. Through all of this we had joint custidy but she had physical custidy, but I was never able to see my boys! she had D.S.S. wrongly informed and they just believed what ever she said and they never asked my boys what they would like to do about visiting me. When my older son was in court for the chins charge he told the judge he would like to live with me, the judge agreed rather to send him back into that kaos. So he lived with me for one and a half years untill he turned 18 them move to get a job in a nieboring city and hes very little to do with mother but we have a great friendship see each other at least every other weekend. After I was given custidy of my older son my ex stepped up her action to not let me see my younger son finally I got a court date and the judge set up meidiation witch she didn't attend so it was set up again and she didn't attend again. All though this I was paying child support witch I didn't have a problem with. I am still trying to get yet another court date set to get visitation with my son. I have never harmed my children and never would they are what I live for.I have NEVER said anything negative about there mother to the boys but I believe her sisters have had some talks with them about her, this turned out very strange because her family invites me for the holiday and she is not welcome. I thought she would get the hint!  My ex was having an affair with my best friend that was why we got divorced, whan she left my house she moved in with him taking our kids with her into that.

    Just a little comment on the guests on this show I want to thank the gentelmen for there stories it gave me a little boost thinking maybe justice will be done if we try hard and long. As for the lady attorney I lost patients with her when she cut you and your guests off for the 5th time! She is a great example of a person with an ajenda and not willing to listen to any other veiw, right wrong or what ever I think she made a fool of herself. Thank you very much for airing this show I hope all the poeple who a in this spot in there divorce will get the courage to fight on for what is wright.

 
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December 26, 2008, 3:12 pm PST

What to do

I`ve been with the same woman for 10 yrs. and have we`ve been living together for almost 3yrs.Her ex hasbeen nothing less than a total  ?????pain. There are 3 children.The oldest who is a girl lives with us.The 2 boys live with the ex.This was decided because we live so close it is easy to make possible for everyone to see everyone.My girl friend han`t seen her sons in months because her ex will not make them available.Not even by phone,and if she does speak to them,it`ll be on speaker phone.The daughter has seen the ex almost every weekend unless he`s mad at her  for showing loyalty to her mom.There are so many events involved in the last 10 yrs.?????frustrating.My girlfriend is wondering if she should consider seeking custody of her sons at the risk of having them hate her more then her ex has told them they do now.Per the daughter, they are made to call the new wife mom.IN PUBLIC....What to do?

 
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December 26, 2008, 3:14 pm PST

This is real

I am a victim of this sadly and it still is going on with my younger sibling. Even though I have moved out and live away from both of my parents, they still are doing this!!! They both agree that this exists and that they do it to each other so that is not the problem its that they wont stop it and still even though the divorce just finally ended it seems like there is always something. If anyone says this isn't true you really should live at my mothers for a day and you would see that it is there. Everyday something is mentioned, even without saying anything about the other. Its like its on automatic for them.
 
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December 26, 2008, 3:14 pm PST

So lost

I am now a single mother of two teenage children.  A daughter 16 1/2 and a son 15 1/2.  Their father left the household while I was terribly ill, suffering from an MS exacerbation and a surgery just 24 hours previous.  He picked them up from school, dropped them off and told them "take care of your mother."  It was a dysfunctional household, he is an alcoholic, abusive both mentally, physically and verbally.  And he was what would be described by most of our friends and family not biased as a less than involved father in the children's life.  He had little contact with the children once he left the house, this was of his own choosing.  I took the children to counseling when I could afford it, then it became court ordered.  The counselor was in our health care provider's, but "blocks" of sessions had to be requested by the subscriber before approved.  My ex-husband stopped counseling and refused to acquire additional counseling sessions for him and the children as court ordered.  Our children went without counseling for more than a year.  During that time, he also stopped paying court ordered support payments, which resulted in a change of lifestyle for myself and the children.  The word "no" became often the answer to the request of can I do this or can I do that.  I am guilty of stating the reason why they could not do the things they were used to doing was because I could not afford it.  They weren't little children and were more than aware of what was happening. At one point the father stated to the children that "his girlfriend, the woman he was having the affair with while we were married was living with him, he was supporting her, they planned on marrying and that if they didn't want to have anything to do with him he was done with them, he would cut them off."

 

I followed what the counselor told me to do, what my then attorney told me to do, the Magistrate, and the Guardians orders as how to handle situations.  I did not bad mouth my ex to our children, rather I stopped making excuses for his behavior.  Which was unbearable, as not only did he stop supporting the family, he would sporadically either call them and yell foul things at them on the phone or show up and do the same.  The local police had to come to our home several times.  A request for a restraining order was submitted, one had been approved before, but this time denied as the Judge stated "he has not done enough yet to warrant a restraining order."  It was clearly in the request with copies of the many police reports, that I am wheelchair bound and unable to sufficiently protect myself and the children.

 

After each encounter, our daughter would become angered, destructive, and out of control.  Our son, more quiet, he just wanted it all to stop.  After a Christmas visit in December 2007, our daughter came home enraged, there was no calming her down, even our pediatrician at our daughters request had prescribed a mild anti-depressant as our daughter stated she could not at these times control herself.  Following the visit with her father and his soon to be wife, after two days I allowed her to go to a friends house, just to get away from the whole situation and calm down.  Unfortunately it was over New Years Eve and the mother had provided all the teenagers at her home with alcohol and left them outside in tents unsupervised.  Our daughter drank to excess and ended up having unprotected sex with a boy of 18.  I did not know, I just knew her general mood had changed when she came home.  And then things really got out of control.  She knew she was going to be punished when I found out what had happened, so she had called her father and told him what he wanted to hear, and they had hatched a plan that when the children were supposed to have their first over night visitation that she would go and not return to the home.  She spilled the information, not about the trouble she had gotten in, but that they had planned for her to stay with him.  She told me she was tired of not being able to afford to do the things she wanted to do.  And later admitted to the police that she would rather stay with her father because he doesn't have rules and that I do.  We had an argument that had become physical, resulting in her attacking me, the police were called once again and she was arrested.  She phoned her father from the juvenile facility and once again told him what he wanted to hear.  He had her released to his custody, and then the horrific scenario became even worse.  Her friends would call me or email me or walk up to me at the High School and literally rat her out.  She is an alcoholic, does drugs, has promiscuous sex with multiple partners.  While living with me she was an honor roll student, now while living with her father she is failing out of High School and will not graduate with her class.  And it is true, she gets what she wants, does what she wants as long as she does not have any contact with me at all.  I get ominous emails from her "Dad told me the truth about you" etc. and followed by some of the most hateful language, she literally sounds like she is mimicking exactly what her father says.  She has been with him, he lives only 30 minutes away, but I do not see her, do not hear from her, unless there is a problem.  He has brought her to the house 3 times, only to insight problems, not for any kind of visitation.  He directs her on how to act and what to do, the last time he stood by and watched as she keyed my car in the driveway.  Both he and the children are supposed to be in counseling.  I continue to take my son, but the daughter does not participate.  Her father did take her to Gainesville where she was evaluated by two Adolescent Psychiatrists, they determined that there was a "problem" and that she needed further treatment and need to return.  Her father did not comply, instead he bought her a punching bag. 

 

I discovered in September, our son finally spilled a secret that he had been holding in since January, that once when I was at an appointment out of the house and they were home alone, she became enraged, grabbed our chef's knife and tried to stab him with it.  She is a danger to herself and others, she needs serious help psychologically, and I believe she truly is a child suffering from Parent Alienation Syndrome.  She knows that if she were to return home to me that he would cut her off, the State had to step in and garnish his wages for child support and alimony, at the time they did so, he had not paid any child support for 11 months and was 6 months behind on alimony.  This made it extremely difficult to even pay for the medical attention our son needed, which he is also court ordered to pay for and does not.  Our daughter is so confused, and understandably angry, that even if she did want to return home I believe she is in fear of doing so, and quite frankly with all that has happened I could not handle her here. I believe she needs to be in a treatment facility.  As long as she is with her father this will not happen, he isn't concerned about what she is doing and whom she is doing it with, just as long as she isn't having any contact with me.  I worry about her future, and the present.  There is no one in this county that will do anything to help, I have tried, Social Workers, Counselors, Court, Law Enforcement.  Basically I was told by the court "well you can lead a horse to water....."  That isn't sufficient, this is a child that is ruining her life and no one seems to be concerned about what is happening, especially her father who rewards her for her poor behavior.

 

I was also a child caught in the middle of my parents divorce and my father tried and was successful for a short period of time in alienating me from my Mother, I know first hand what it is like to go through that, and the long term effects it can have.  It is literally gut wrenching for me to watch my children go through the same thing and seemingly helpless to stop it, even though I have been awarded Physical Custody of BOTH of the children before AND after the Guardian's report.

 

The cracks in the system are enormous and seem to get bigger when there are people desperate for help.

 
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December 26, 2008, 3:14 pm PST

a pattern

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My son is 33 years old and I continue to struggle as a targeted parent. I just read Amy Baker's book, Adult Children of Parental Alienation Syndrom: Breaking the Ties That Bind." 

 

When my son was in first grade his father's live-in girlfriend went to upset ALL of the first grade teachers during the first week of school. She is now his EX-stepmother and continues to brainwash him, seemingly in hopes of getting his Dad back or just to "twist the knife." 

 

I wish this book had been available to me back then, not that the outcome would have been any different. Perhaps, I would have just found some strength in knowing I was recognized and understood as the targeted parent. 

 

The struggle with feelings of helplessness continues as the EX-stepmother continues her games of manipulation.

With Dr. Phil addressing the reality of PAS, I am hopeful my son will become aware of its affects.  Hopefully, he will be able to protect himself and his future family from what seems to be commonly a pattern in family histories.
 
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