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Created on : Friday, September 26, 2008, 02:43:44 pm
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(Original Air Date: 10/03/08) It’s being called the ultimate form of child abuse -- brainwashing your children against an ex-spouse to win custody. Could you be harming your child emotionally and not even know it? First up, Ken is a successful surgeon who says he’s the victim of parental alienation syndrome (PAS). He says he hasn’t seen his 14-year-old son since last October and claims his ex-wife destroyed what was once a loving father-son relationship. Mel Feit, director of the National Center for Men, says Ken’s situation is a classic case of kids being turned against their father, but family law attorney Liz Kates says PAS is a phony tactic used by some men to get out of paying child support. What does Dr. Phil think? Then, Karen lost custody of her children after she was accused of parental alienation syndrome by her ex-husband. Karen maintains her innocence, so why were her parental rights terminated when her daughters accused her ex of sexual abuse? Plus, 19-year-old Demi joins the show via Web cam and says her father verbally abused her mother during their divorce. Now, she fears that her 15-year-old sister is caught in the middle. Find out what you can do if you’re caught between sparring parents. And, meet a father so desperate to see his young children, he kidnapped them from his ex-wife and went on the lam for two years. Talk about the show here.


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October 3, 2008, 6:42 am PDT

Didn't work for my EX

OMG As Dr Phil has said there are 2 sides to every story. I was the spouse that had to fight to keep my Son from my first marriage. After 12 year his father decided to go after custody say I was the bad parent. After it was said and done on the day of court his father was caught doing the brain washing. Which ending up hurting my son. Its all about him want to control everything as he did in our marriage. The court order states the we aren't discuss anything in front of the child. What a shame that that had to be put on paper because one (the EX) parent is out of control. With this being said is 16 now and has realized what was going on.  My is now doing great in school and is not getting in trouble in school. All having to do with not spending time with is father. Done all by his choice.
 
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October 3, 2008, 6:42 am PDT

adult child of divorce

I have been in this same situation as my mother was so bitter she turned my  brother & sister against my father  & is still doing it 35 years later! I am now married to a wonderful man, husband & father & am having to watch him go thru a living hell because his exwife is doing the same with his 2 boys. She has succeeded with the oldest that is now 18 and is working hard on the youngest which is 13.   When he first comes to the house he is reserved & is afraid to open up. After he's here for a day or two, he will start smiling & communicating. Then he has to go back & it starts all over again the next weekend.  I've been thru all this and it's only going to get worse. We have no recourse and there is nothing we can do legally but be there for him. We NEVER talk about his Mom or  her husband but she constantly talks about us terribly to him and uses him against us all the time. And don't tell me that this stops after 2 years.... My mother is Still doing the same after 35+ years & this woman has been doing it for over 5 years and there is no end in sight. She'll be working on grandchildren just like my mother does now.... it never ends with some women.....
 
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October 3, 2008, 6:45 am PDT

10/03 "Brainwashed by My Parents"

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Thank you Dr. Phil for exposing this abuse our children endure. It is so incredibly frustrating to watch the actions occur and to listen as others tell you it isn't.

My ex-wife has done the following:

- Told my son that she hates me and my mother.
- Told all third party organizations that I'm not allowed to interact with them
-- prompting many arguments from me with them and a few legal actions as well
- Convinced a child care provider to actively interfere with my relationship with my son
- Scheduled an early public birthday party during the years I was supposed to celebrated it after she heard I was planning the same
- Threatened to cancel visitation forcing me to call the police on more than one occation
- Regularly sends messages through the children
- Cancelled public events when I chose to be involved
- Refused to allow my children to spend time with me prior to a deployment to Iraq
- Refused to allow the child care provider from sharing letters I've written to my children while I was deployed
- Bought my children the exact same going away present I had planned on getting my children the week before I planned on giving it to them.
- Refused every request for visitation outside of the specific hours defined in the agreement.

Oh, I could easily go on. The question is, what will this behavior ultimately do to my 3, 5, and nearly 7 year old children.

My parenting plan for post divorce is simple. I AM a parent and I will parent my children in the fashion I feel appropriate. The time I spend with my children is family time they get to participate with my family. The time my ex-wife spends with them is her time and as long as she is not abusing my children, it's none of my business. (I will of course listen to my children if they wish to share.) Outside of that, I will be involved in every activity that my children participate in to the best of my ability. I am there for my children as much as I can be. And I'll bend space and time to make sure it is that way. I would perfer to have a cooperative relationship, but every attempt that I put forth is abused, so I cannot trust my ex-wife to have such a relationship. Instead, I fall back on the parenting model demonstrated in the book, "Joint Custody with a Jerk".

This is definately a social delima that needs help solving.

And just for an interesting note for you and your production staff. I'm watching this show on the original air date care of Armed Forces Network in Bahgdad, Iraq. Thank you greatly for providing your show to the troops. I greatly appreciate it.
Your ex sounds like my EX. He dould put my son through all kinds of stuff
 

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October 3, 2008, 6:45 am PDT

10/03 "Brainwashed by My Parents"

I have been divorced for 15 years. My children were 6 and 10 when I divorced. Though they are now grown, I have tremendous guilt for some of my actions during the divorce. I never launched a full out assault of my ex, but jokingly said derrogatory things about him. I want you to know this is just as bad. I saw what it did to my children and I stopped and made a conscious effort to get along with my ex and his new wife. They were still hurt by my previous behaviour. What I'm saying is, everything you do, and I mean everything, is hurtful to your children. I'm trying to prevent what my children went through. I feel guilt every day, even now, for the way I behaved. I can't change the past, but I can beg those of you who are going through this now to see that you are the adults. You will get over this and move on. Your children might not fare so well. I have a daughter who is so brilliant, but has such low self-esteem, she works as a waitress and has a boyfriend with no ambition. My son is a wanderer. He goes between homes (his fathers and mine and his girlfriend) and  has no sense of home anywhere. My heart aches for them both. I'm left wondering what it might have been like, if I had done a better job of prioritizing their lives instead of my own.
 
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October 3, 2008, 6:48 am PDT

Dangerous Territory

While I do believe that some parents tend to make desparaging comments about each other in front of the children during custody battles, Parental Alienation Syndrome is being used inappropriately in the Connecticut court system. First and foremost, PAS is not, and I expect never will be a DSMIV diagnosis. It is a term that was coined by a Dr. Richard Gardner who was a QUACK!!! This man ultimately committed suicide several years ago. The term makes it virtually impossible for a mother to protect her children against abusive fathers.

 

I was forced to spend over a hundred thousand dollars to defend myself against an accusation alienating my son against his father. The court totally discounted a DCF (Department of Families and Children) against the father for physical abuse and a police record for several counts of domestic violence with this current wife as well as with me. My son desparately protested going on visitation and there was nothing I could legally do to protect him. Coming from a divorced home myself, I followed my mother's example of never saying anything bad about my son's father in front of him or in earshot. I always felt that he would learn for himself...I did as a child and I totally respected my mother for that.

 

The ironic thing is that I had intercepted letters from my son's father to my son making countless desparaging comments about me.  Do you have any idea how it feels as a mother to not be able to legally protect your child against verbal and physical abuse at the hands of his father? It is absolutely heart wrenching. To have to tell your child to go and that everything will be alright when, in fact, you know that damage is going to be done? This occurs when a good mother is accused of parental alienation syndrome. We are in an era of fathers stepping up to the plate and father's rights...any time a father shows an interest, the courts are going to favor them over the mother regardless of the true evidence.

 

Dr. Gardner had nothing positive to say about mothers in general...in fact, called them "hysterical" when they become so desparate to protect an abused child. Furthermore, he had made some weird and disturbing comments about incest. Read his book.

 

My son is now 17 and away at college. He knows that I did not try to turn him against his father. He also knows that I did not protect him when he needed it. Fortunately, he survived and knows how hard I fought in court to maintain custody. The entire process did, in fact, have an affect on his self-esteem and confidence.

 

I think it is absolutely disgusting that the courts are permitted to use such a term so freely. It's not a medical diagnosis and it is being used as one. The courts should look at facts...not theories.

 
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October 3, 2008, 6:56 am PDT

Difficult Situation

It is very difficult walking the thin line between teaching a child to be a person of good character, about honesty and integrity when they have a parent who has no morals and values. My ex-husband has told my college age son that he should try anal sex,he makes sexually inappropriate comments. I have received an anonymous letter stating he fathered a child when he was married to me. He has cut off our water, dental insurance, the children's cell phones and told my daughter two days before she went to college that he wouldn't pay for her college which he was contractually obligated to pay. He doesn't make a move unless he runs it by his men's group that is listed as a cult on a website. This man is a  narcissictic physician who has refused to pay anything but the baseline child support or any of the funds that he was supposed to pay us.  I spent $68,000 on an attorney trying to get him to face up to his financial responsibility. He was fired from his job for erratic behavior. A housewife of 24 years, I didn't sit around; I went to work to support my children but it is difficult starting a business at 48 and there have been times I haven't had money to eat. Had he lived up to his responsibilities, I would have had some funds to fall back on when my business was slow.

My question is this? How do you teach a young man to be a person of good moral character when that is his role model? I have had to send my youngest child to his home with a wife who lost custody of her own son and didn't even know it because she had moved out of the country without him. I sent my child because I know he needs his father but I was afraid he could be hurt. There are times I feel like I have to tell him that his father's behavior is inappropriate and quite frankly, there are times I have been so upset that I haven't been as circumspect as I should be. He has used the term parental alienation syndrome about me because his oldest two children , who are adults, won't have anything to do with him. 

I would love for my children to have a relationship with their father for their benefit, not his but he hasn't even given them a Christmas present in the last seven years. I believe his behavior has hurt my children. 

And what will happen? He has the funds to pay an attorney to make accusations about me having PAS while I don't have the money to take my children to counseling to help them learn how to handle all of this.

 
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October 3, 2008, 7:04 am PDT

10/03 "Brainwashed by My Parents"

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While I do believe that some parents tend to make desparaging comments about each other in front of the children during custody battles, Parental Alienation Syndrome is being used inappropriately in the Connecticut court system. First and foremost, PAS is not, and I expect never will be a DSMIV diagnosis. It is a term that was coined by a Dr. Richard Gardner who was a QUACK!!! This man ultimately committed suicide several years ago. The term makes it virtually impossible for a mother to protect her children against abusive fathers.

 

I was forced to spend over a hundred thousand dollars to defend myself against an accusation alienating my son against his father. The court totally discounted a DCF (Department of Families and Children) against the father for physical abuse and a police record for several counts of domestic violence with this current wife as well as with me. My son desparately protested going on visitation and there was nothing I could legally do to protect him. Coming from a divorced home myself, I followed my mother's example of never saying anything bad about my son's father in front of him or in earshot. I always felt that he would learn for himself...I did as a child and I totally respected my mother for that.

 

The ironic thing is that I had intercepted letters from my son's father to my son making countless desparaging comments about me.  Do you have any idea how it feels as a mother to not be able to legally protect your child against verbal and physical abuse at the hands of his father? It is absolutely heart wrenching. To have to tell your child to go and that everything will be alright when, in fact, you know that damage is going to be done? This occurs when a good mother is accused of parental alienation syndrome. We are in an era of fathers stepping up to the plate and father's rights...any time a father shows an interest, the courts are going to favor them over the mother regardless of the true evidence.

 

Dr. Gardner had nothing positive to say about mothers in general...in fact, called them "hysterical" when they become so desparate to protect an abused child. Furthermore, he had made some weird and disturbing comments about incest. Read his book.

 

My son is now 17 and away at college. He knows that I did not try to turn him against his father. He also knows that I did not protect him when he needed it. Fortunately, he survived and knows how hard I fought in court to maintain custody. The entire process did, in fact, have an affect on his self-esteem and confidence.

 

I think it is absolutely disgusting that the courts are permitted to use such a term so freely. It's not a medical diagnosis and it is being used as one. The courts should look at facts...not theories.

I wish I had seen this before I sent my message because this mom expresses my feelings so much better than I did. I am still living this nightmare and I am so frustrated! There is nothing as hurtful and frightening as sending your child somewhere where you don't feel that he is safe. My son actually asked me one time why I let his father kidnap him and why I didn't help him. What did I have to do? Send him back the next week.
 
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October 3, 2008, 7:04 am PDT

Classic Case

For anyone out there that does not believe PAS is real, please take a visit to my little town in NC and read the court notes from the custody battle my husband has had to go through to see his children!! His ex, Pam, is a text book case along with her mother, Barbara. They have done everything they can to ruin my husband's relationship with his 2 children (a boy 14 and a girl 10).  They kept them from him right after the split, they told them many lies, they told the children their daddy didn't love them anymore and didn't want to see them, they told them that he didn't pay his child support (although he has NEVER missed a $1000/month child support pymt), they tell them now that he loves my children more and that he gives them more. His daughter comes to stay with us and over the course of a 3 day weekend when we get her at 6pm on Friday and take her back at 6pm on Sunday, her mother will call her 4-5 times and then have her daughter call her every night before she goes to bed. I can sometimes hear her telling her mother "I do love you mommy, yes I do. No I don't love daddy more." Making that little girl feel guilty for loving her daddy and having a good time at our house.  Now that is what I call one SICK, insecure, poor excuse for a mother!!!  And that is putting it nicely!! I don't think there is enough room on Dr. Phil's entire website for me to be able to share all the horrible experiences these two children have had to go through because of their mother and grandmother's extreme hatred against my husband (and me and my children) !! I call them nothing less than Evil!! They are a classic case of PAS! Take it from a step-mom that experiences it almost every day, it is real and there needs to be something done for all of the children who have to go through it!! It is not fair for these children!!!
 

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October 3, 2008, 7:10 am PDT

Brainwashed

My ex-husband is an abusive & controlling narsissist.  He was so enraged when I threw him out and filed for divorce.  He looked me in the eye and said, "You'll be sorry."  I was a stay-at-home mom with a stellar reputation.  He filed for custody using a "father's rights attorney" who was also a family friend.  He continued to harass me for years ensuring me it would continue "until you die."   Years later, I'd hoped he moved on, but again, his anger escalated when I got married.  He began his campaign to poison the minds of my children.  Using threats, he wouldn't let me daughter invite me to her Sweet 16 party.  He turned my 20 year old son totally against me and he refuses to speak to me because I didn't give him money for college.  He's turning into his father.   It's unfortunate that so many children are punished by a parent in an attempt to "get back" at their ex.  It's more unfortuante that our courts don't have the awareness and means to make decisions where the children won't suffer.  I have no guilt in me except for NOT ending the marriage after my ex locked me out of the bedroom when I was 7 months pregnant with our first child because I discovered the nude photos of a former girlfriend & barretts left from another women he had in my bed.. 
 
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October 3, 2008, 7:28 am PDT

parential allination

Dear Dr Phil, I can relate to parential allination. I am a victim of that. I didn't know what it was until recently. My youngest right now does not talk to me. I have done nothing to her. My oldest even said to me that I haven't done anything. No one knows how it feels until its done to you. These men that think only women do this is wrong. My ex has done this to me and still is. I have alot of things I could tell you about but it I wouldn't be able to type it all in here. It hurts enough making the choice to end a marriage without your ex turning your kids against one another. I wouldn't wish this on my worst enemy.

 

Laurie Allard

 

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